[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Darrrr! AK = Simple! AR = Complex! (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 5/25/2011 3:45:09 PM EDT
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I hate watching tv documentaries or even people at the gun store or shooting range bragging about how simple the AK is and how complex the AR is. Some moron on TV said it would take a few hours to teach an AK47 to new people, but a week to teach people the AR15. In basic training, it took maybe at most, an hour or two for people to figure out how to full assemble and disassemble and AR15. The AR15 is one of the most simple fucking design in weapons you can find. The only moving part in the whole thing is the BCG and the buffer spring, which the buffer spring requires almost no attention anyway. Basically the same operation as an AK. The only thing anybody who is out in the field needs to concern themselves with cleaning the AR, is to punch the rear retention pin, seperate the back end of the upper and lower, pull out the BCG, use a damn barber brush or cloth and quickly wipe it down, add some lube or whatever, maybe run a bore brush down the bore once or twice to get any debris like sand or dust particles that might have got in there, and it's fucking DONE. Anyway, that is my little rant for idiots that think the AR15 is so complex versus an AK47/74. |
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you.
I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. |
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Quoted: The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. Whaaat? I can't even imagine that being 'frustrating' or 'tripping someone up'. |
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I have always found it a heck of a lot easier to teach someone to shot an AR than an AK. Let me rephrase that, its much easier to teach someone to hit things with an AR than an AK. This is not exactly what AKs are used for overseas. The stock sights are a helluva lot nicer on an AR than an AK, imo. Quoted:
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. Whaaat? I can't even imagine that being 'frustrating' or 'tripping someone up'. Well, you must have played with alot of legos as a child, then. Congrats. 
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. 
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Jesus, I didn't realize ARs had so many parts and took so long to field strip.  |
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. |
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Quoted: Quoted: The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How do you put the bolt in backwards? |
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Quoted: Here is mine with the pin installed 1 internet if you can figure out why it is like that?Quoted: Quoted: The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly.  |
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. aparently the cam pinwas undersized, or the bolt hole was oversized, because it let the bolt be assembled backwards, it went in easily both ways.... only seen it happen that once. 
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Quoted: I've had a LOT more problems with my AK than my AR15. My Ak kaboomed on me and had dozens of malfunctions. My ar had one short stroke on monarch in 1200 or so rounds. That's interesting. Was it a WASR? I haven't had a single malfunction with my SGL-21 after roughly 2500 rounds of Yugo M67 (which, granted, isn't very much). |
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I'm just going to point out that my favorite part about AR fanatics, is they like to take very obvious and blatant truths, and pretend the opposite.
There's a lot of arguments to and fro regarding the AK/AR and performance, but to say the AR is more simple to field strip than an AR is absolutely silly. |
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I've had a LOT more problems with my AK than my AR15. My Ak kaboomed on me and had dozens of malfunctions. My ar had one short stroke on monarch in 1200 or so rounds. Sound like a really bad AK. But I agree if I had 20 min to show someone how to use a rifle before impending trouble AR hands down. My AKs have all but one been trouble free (7 so far). Changing mags can be problematic for newbies with the AK. |
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Here is mine with the pin installed 1 internet if you can figure out why it is like that?
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/E-mag/DSC03834.jpg?t=1306370536 Stag lefty? |
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period.
It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. |
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My biggest bitch and gripe about an AR style weapon is the star chamber. Its an absolute cunt to get in there and clean it.
Ive fired AR series weapons with no lube and a decent amount of debris, for extended periods of time, and have only ever experience FTF/FF with blanks. |
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Quoted: The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. |
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are
So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Tell that to every armorer in the army. Mine had me scraping the bolt tail with a file to get the black off. I tried to tell him it's a finish on the steel, but he wanted it shiny! 
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Quoted: Because it's not a military bolt?Quoted: Here is mine with the pin installed 1 internet if you can figure out why it is like that?Quoted: Quoted: The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/E-mag/DSC03834.jpg?t=1306370536 (military bolts don't have gross hair and spiderwebs and shit all over them either  ) |
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/E-mag/DSC03834.jpg?t=1306370536 damn lefty freak!
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are
So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Seriously? AR's are now as easy to field strip and clean as an AK? Fine then. My AK is more accurate than your AR. If we're just playing opposite day, I'll play along. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Seriously? AR's are now as easy to field strip and clean as an AK? Fine then. My AK is more accurate than your AR. If we're just playing opposite day, I'll play along. What part of pulling out the AR's BCG and leaving it as it is and wiping it down and reinserting it don't you understand? That's basically the same process as an AK. I didn't say it was easier, I said it's about the same. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here is mine with the pin installed 1 internet if you can figure out why it is like that?Quoted: Quoted: The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/E-mag/DSC03834.jpg?t=1306370536 Stag lefty?  |
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granted someone DID teach me how to shoot the AR15/M16 platform, and yeah with very little instruction needed it was pretty easy to catch on......i was taught, and then did not buy one till 6 years later and still was able to pick it up like riding a bike.
and when i bought an AK i had never even held one before, even having never seen the gun before in real life with time enough to tinker with it i was able to completely disassemble the thing all the way down to removing the hand-guards and the gas tube and put it back together no problem.......... so not to say that i really disagree with the OP, but from my perspective, once one gains a working knowledge on guns and how they come together I think it becomes easier for that individual to become more readily familiar with other platforms. If a person never picked up a gun in their life before i would place my bets that they would have problems with any platform unless given a little instruction. |
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are
So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Have you taken an AK apart? Given equal speed the AK will be stripped before or very shortly after the AR is broken open, no pins or tools. I didn't say anything about the difficulty. |
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Quoted: My damm dog is shedding like crazy I have no clue how she has this much hair over the winter. I think I have brushed out enough to make at least 2 more dogs Quoted: Because it's not a military bolt?Quoted: Here is mine with the pin installed 1 internet if you can figure out why it is like that?Quoted: Quoted: The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/E-mag/DSC03834.jpg?t=1306370536 (military bolts don't have gross hair and spiderwebs and shit all over them either ) |
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are
So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Seriously? AR's are now as easy to field strip and clean as an AK? Fine then. My AK is more accurate than your AR. If we're just playing opposite day, I'll play along. What part of pulling out the AR's BCG and leaving it as it is and wiping it down and reinserting it don't you understand? That's basically the same process as an AK. I didn't say it was easier, I said it's about the same. An AK is easier to maintain than an AR.. I say this truthfully, I've never even heard someone make your claim in all of the arguments I've read. |
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are
So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Having never been in the military, but having a cosmic fuckton of experience on the AR/M16, why would it be such an awful idea to drop the cam pin out and wipe everything down if you fired a lot of rounds that day> ASSUMING you are in no immediate danger of resistance. Seems to me after years of using one of these rifles, Id do anything in my power to assure that stick goes boom when I ask. In any sort of danger? Hell no, Im hosing with CLP or something and getting it back on-line |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Having never been in the military, but having a cosmic fuckton of experience on the AR/M16, why would it be such an awful idea to drop the cam pin out and wipe everything down if you fired a lot of rounds that day> ASSUMING you are in no immediate danger of resistance. Seems to me after years of using one of these rifles, Id do anything in my power to assure that stick goes boom when I ask. In any sort of danger? Hell no, Im hosing with CLP or something and getting it back on-line The AR doesn't need to be babied, that is just an over-reaction by people. In the harshes environment for a gun, which is out in the desert with sand and dust, I've not seen an M4 go down. Sometimes with shifts going for weeks where we spent 20+ hours outside the wire, and got lucky to got 4-5 hours of sleep in the wire and guys alot of times didn't even get a chance to do any weapons maintenance during the grind, yet their M4 still fired in those conditions. |
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are
So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. I somewhat disagree. Anyone who doesn't keep his weapon as spotless as possible when his life depends on the reliability of that weapon is just asking for it, IMHO. I see what you're saying as far as time management and cleaning as best as you can in the time given and I mostly agree with that, but at some point a quick "wipe down" isn't going to cut it-especially if you're riding around in vehicles and sand and dust get into every single possible place a weapon can collect debris (ETA: I've seen M1911A1s, and M240s lock up because of sand in just 48 hours because of exposure to the elements-the Kuwait desert). Detail cleaning (to include magazines) is the preferred COA when time permits. Under that specific circumstance, I think the AK does have some advantages. Maybe I'm just OCD. Like you, I have an AK or two, and find the design philosophy so different I can't help but be impressed with it. Diesel fuel to clean it, some motor oil to lube and it you're good to go. I'm sure we could do the same thing with the M16 series, but you don't see AKs issued with Q-Tips and pipe cleaners to clean the damn thing.... |
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The AK field strips and goes back together faster, period. It also will take a fair bit longer to get a n00b shooting an AK accurately. The AR is far easier to shoot accurately. When you have to start doing things like replacing barrels, major overhauls, the AR wins again. What is field strip? you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. You guys who think in order to properly clean an AR every time is to tear apart of the BCG and bolt are
So in that respect, it's not any more difficult of a task to clean an AR in the field than it is to clean and maintain an AK. Having never been in the military, but having a cosmic fuckton of experience on the AR/M16, why would it be such an awful idea to drop the cam pin out and wipe everything down if you fired a lot of rounds that day> ASSUMING you are in no immediate danger of resistance. Seems to me after years of using one of these rifles, Id do anything in my power to assure that stick goes boom when I ask. In any sort of danger? Hell no, Im hosing with CLP or something and getting it back on-line mostly cause it is unnessasary and cause it is easy to lose something (dont want to drop your retaining pin in the gravel at dusk outside the wire...) that said, it is pretty rare to fire enough rounds on a m4/16 to really cause any buildup on a normal patrol/mission (obviously there are the occasional extreme exception) |
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you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. LOL With an AK you don't have to perform any cleaning while on a "mission". If the "mission" involved firing off three basic loads, you might want to squirt some oil in there if it's convenient, but actual cleaning isn't required. It seems the difference is lost on you. |
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Quoted: Quoted: you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. LOL With an AK you don't have to perform any cleaning while on a "mission". If the "mission" involved firing off three basic loads, you might want to squirt some oil in there if it's convenient, but actual cleaning isn't required. It seems the difference is lost on you. Not everyone takes care of their guns like hajji. Russians, Bulgarians, Polish or anyone with a decent standing army still performs maintenance on their weapons. |
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you don't fucking tear down the BCG when you're out on mission or any of that shit. You pull out the BCG and just wipe it down and re-apply lubricant to the BCG and re-insert it back into the receiver. That is the extent of the cleaning. LOL With an AK you don't have to perform any cleaning while on a "mission". If the "mission" involved firing off three basic loads, you might want to squirt some oil in there if it's convenient, but actual cleaning isn't required. It seems the difference is lost on you. Not everyone takes care of their guns like hajji. Russians, Bulgarians, Polish or anyone with a decent standing army still performs maintenance on their weapons. afghans take good care of their guns... |
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Here is mine with the pin installed 1 internet if you can figure out why it is like that?
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The AK trips up novices putting the bolt carrier back in the gun the first time. It can be frustrating trying to figure out what the problem is if you don't have anyone standing next to you. I never had any similar trouble with an AR. Honestly, neither one should take more than a couple of hours to learn how to disassemble, clean, and put back together. We're talking about a handful of discrete pieces that only go together one way. well not exactly.... i have seen military bolts put in backwards. so instead of the bolt throwing the empty case out of the chamber, it was throwing it inside against the receiver wall. it was a WTF? moment.. iv also seen the firing pin put in, AFTER the firing pin retaining pin. gun wont fire, pull the take down pin, and the firing pin falls out. How is it possible for the bolt to go in backwards if the cam pin is installed? The cam pin will only fit one way, and that one way orients the bolt correctly. http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/E-mag/DSC03834.jpg?t=1306370536 It's a lefty? |
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Quoted: What detent can you "launch it into never never land" I know the take down pins can do that but all the other ones that I can think of are not going anywhere.Try teaching a gun newb to install a detent and spring without launching it into never never land. If you get down to the non-field-strippable parts of the weapons you will find the AK to be a simpler design. |
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What detent can you "launch it into never never land" I know the take down pins can do that but all the other ones that I can think of are not going anywhere.
Try teaching a gun newb to install a detent and spring without launching it into never never land. If you get down to the non-field-strippable parts of the weapons you will find the AK to be a simpler design. Those are fairly important detentes and springs. What people also tend to lose: safety detente, buffer retaining plunger and spring. |