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Posted: 5/19/2002 2:14:55 PM EDT
Just curious what y'all think might be a good first car for a teen-ager? It's still a couple of years away, but my daughter is reminding me every day that it's getting closer.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:18:21 PM EDT
Something inexpensive. Young driver = no experience.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:25:26 PM EDT
An older, low mileage Honda or similar ilk.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:25:46 PM EDT
She's been driving for a few years now, accompanied by myself or my wife (we live in the boonies) and she's not bad, better than some folks around here.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:28:35 PM EDT
For both insurance and common sensical reasons, get her something underpowered. Teenagers are the least experienced drivers but yet are the ones who exhibit the most bravado behind the wheel.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:30:26 PM EDT
My son started out with a '76 Gremlin. Great starter car. He still has it but doesn't drive it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:30:43 PM EDT
Pay off the car you have now, and give her that.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:37:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:38:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:40:33 PM EDT
I think Grim's suggestion is pretty good...otherwise I would recommend an old Volvo 240 or 740, both underpowered, tanks, and reasonably priced. You can expect, with good maintenance, to get 300k out of them. Volvo is very safety oriented, I would think a plus given that this is for your child.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:46:48 PM EDT
A used but serviceable full sized 2WD pickup truck, preferably underpowered. It will be more survivable in the inevitable wreck and assuredly lacks "cool". The lack of "cool" coupled with the lack of seating space will lead to a lack of partying which which leads to a non-wrecked truck and no DUI which is a desirable outcome. Furthermore if you don't have a truck in the family, now you do. The underpowered part is an asset in that racing is less likely to occur, even with a congenital idiot boyfriend behind the wheel. The lack of DUIs coupled to a lack of speeding tickets will lead to lower insurance costs. I think I covered everything. Oh yeah! No back seat.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:50:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 2:55:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Originally Posted By poikilotrm: A used but serviceable full sized 2WD pickup truck, preferably underpowered. It will be more survivable in the inevitable wreck and assuredly lacks "cool". The lack of "cool" coupled with the lack of seating space will lead to a lack of partying which which leads to a non-wrecked truck and no DUI which is a desirable outcome. Furthermore if you don't have a truck in the family, now you do. The underpowered part is an asset in that racing is less likely to occur, even with a congenital idiot boyfriend behind the wheel. The lack of DUIs coupled to a lack of speeding tickets will lead to lower insurance costs. I think I covered everything. Oh yeah! No back seat.
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Except the fact you can fit about 15 people in the truck bed, that coupled with a high center of gravity makes for a bad night possibly.
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Just say NO to a camper... matress and a camper get get pretty fun.. I mean make sure it doesnt happen[:)]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:04:30 PM EDT
Get something UNDERPOWERED!
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:09:23 PM EDT
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Except the fact you can fit about 15 people in the truck bed, that coupled with a high center of gravity makes for a bad night possibly.
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True, but in most states carrying people, especially minors, in the bed of a truck will get you pulled over pronto which ends the festivities. If you explain to your kid in a passive fashion that carrying in the rear would be a blazing invitation to be pulled over they will probably not do it. Sort of the way that I got people to not try to ride in my PU as a boy, "Listen dude, I would take you guys in the bed, but if you fell out and went under my tires when your bones broke they would poke holes in the rubber, and I just got these tires." This would end debate usually. Of course I am cognizant that kids are idiots, I just think the PU minimizes the chances for them to be idiots.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:11:36 PM EDT
See my signiture below....... Na. Just kiddin.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:24:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2002 3:24:55 PM EDT by ARLady]
Originally Posted By ECS: Get something UNDERPOWERED!
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which is great until she has to get outta her own way! [rolleyes] i hate underpowered vehicles. i wouldn't risk my child's life in them. granted, she doesn't need a souped-up 5.0 or corvette either, but i would wanna make sure she had the power to get on the highway to avoid the sideswipe of the semi that couldn't/wouldn't get outta the right lane. personally, i'd also avoid the smaller imports, like the hondas and toyotas. chances are she will be in some sort of accident. if you're lucky, it will just be backing into a car in the mall parking lot. if you're (she's) not so lucky, you'll want to make sure the car can protect her. ideally, i'd put rollbars on whatever my child(ren) get, but as that may not appeal to your daughter's aesthetics, something not too small. ford crown vic or chevy caprice-sized. oh, yeah. nothing PLASTIC!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 3:51:31 PM EDT
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My only suggestion is something with a manual transmission. It amazes me how many people these days don't know how to drive one, male and female. It just seems safer to know how to drive any vehicle in case of an emergency or something. Edited to add: Also, if ever she gets into burning the rubber off the wheels, clutches are usually cheaper than automatic tranny's ;)
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:05:50 PM EDT
My kids really wanted cars in high school. I never could figure out why they wouldn't rather ride right to the front door of school in a $300,000 bus.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:38:27 PM EDT
YUGO, ESCORT, GREMLIN, or the other end, something so large it will eat up lots of gas money + she will be ebarassed to drive it
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:42:20 PM EDT
Cheap and BIG. Statistically we all total our first cars. You don't want it to be a Lexus wrapped around a tree. But you also want to avoid the econo boxes to keep the post collision medical bills to a minimum. Yugos may be cheap but funerals aren't.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:46:26 PM EDT
What ever [B]SHE[/B] can afford!!! [:D] Or at least have her save up half the cash. This is cutting into your gun money... I am a big talker, I will probably buy my little girl what ever she wants too. Luckily I have 12 more years. Good luck on you choice.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:46:38 PM EDT
Get her a mid to late 70's chevy or ford or dodge 4 door huge sedan. they have V8's but they are so smogged out that they aren't really too powerful but enough if she needed to get out of her own way sometime. if she gets into a crash it is big enough it will protect her or if she needs to ram another car if she needs to get out of a bad situation.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 4:53:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:09:17 PM EDT
something big, heavy, and safe. Very low miles per gallon so she can't go far! [:o)]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:17:55 PM EDT
I recommend honda civic, honda accord or toyota camry. Doesn't matter if its brand new or used. They don't guzzle gas and on most part they are reliable. I also recommend suvs because I've personally been in several accidents with suv. SUV is no match against passenger car in an accident. SUV will walk away with scratch on the bumper while the passenger sustains few thousand dollars in damages. But SUV guzzles gas and is a high risk for roll over.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:21:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:23:29 PM EDT
My daughter is approaching the driving age as well, so I've been giving this some serious thought. I'm not giving her my Chevy Caprice patrol car. The LT-1 V8 has more power than I need, let alone her. Maybe something gutless like a Ford[:D]...anyway, it will probably be a Volvo 240 sedan. Enough power to keep up with traffic, but she isn't going to get too carried away in it. It's built like a tank, and probably the safest car for it's size. They are cheap enough when you know what to look for in a used one. Ross
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:25:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ARgon: something big, heavy, and safe. Very low miles per gallon so she can't go far! [:o)]
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Yeah, that's what she wants. An F-350 crew cab turbo diesel. Of course, that is our current hauling vehicle. She likes to take her horses with her when she can. I think it is too much of a party wagon. 4X4, room for 6, 8 or 9 if you are real friendly. But it does stand up well to encounters with other vehicles. [:)]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:31:52 PM EDT
i dont understand!! Teen Males = buy your own Teen Females = gets one from daddy. WTF!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:40:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Citabria7GCBC: i dont understand!! Teen Males = buy your own Teen Females = gets one from daddy. WTF!!!!!!
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No doubt you have heard of "Daddy's little girl"? When you have a daughter of your own you Will understand. Daughters are [O:)]'s. [:)]
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:41:17 PM EDT
my first daughter i gave her my old toyota truck,1 yr later i bought her a camaro.shes 21 now and hasnt been a wreck.(knock on wood). 2nd daughter i bought her a acura integra, we just came across it,i bought it because its a honda,thats what we were looking for. the camaro and acura had about 40,45k miles on them. i didnt want something to old. i dont want to work on them. both girls learned how to drive a stick shift first. 2nd daughter was in a wreck ,but it wasnt her fault. walter
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 5:57:43 PM EDT
Easy. She is probably one of the absolute most important things in your life. Something with airbags. If you can afford, something with stability control. Something with some weight (statistics show small civic type cars kill much more than mid to full size cars in single car accidents). Something that can take a hit by a full size suv. I would HIGHLY recommend a BMW with 100k miles, small engine, or a VOLVO with 100k. Mercedes with 100k All are affordable. You do want to giver her something she will take care of, and this means at least a little bit of cool. But no stangs, camaros, eclipses, civics (too small, same for accords). Might try a Maxima. Good deal, but a little fast. My wife was pregnant, hit the side of a car head on that pulled out in front of her at about 30-40. Airbags deployed, she was perfect, baby was perfect (only about 3 mo. preg). Also, her parents were hit with a pickup at 60, totally messed up their maxima, however, they were perfectly fine. Good luck, remember, keeping her alive and safe is your responsibility, and much more important than keeping her happy with you. HTH WL
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:00:21 PM EDT
Within reason buy her the car she wants, not what you want. It will pay off in the long run. Less bitching and more pride in ownership. I bought both my boys the car I thought they should have. I had to buy them another car later to keep the peace in the house. If I had to do it over again I would set the price, maintain a veto and let them go find the car they wanted.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:02:31 PM EDT
My ex bought my son a Honda w/ 100K on it for him. What a piece of CRAP! It was the only 5 year old $3500 car that had $8000 into it!She donated it for taxes as it didn't run anymore without BIG MONEY more into it. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING WITH BELT-DRIVE OVERHEAD CAMSHAFTS IN IT.CHAIN DRIVE CAMS OR WALK AWAY! Most people don't change the belts at 60K miles and when it goes, in a Honda you buy a NEW MOTOR! This is because the stupid Japs don't design piston to valve clearance. Moved the kid down here with me for collage & bought him a 2002 Ford Ranger 4x2. Cost me $11,070 before tax & plates with Ford's 2k rebate.Insurance is also low because its a truck not a unibody. Chose wisely , your child wellbeing is at stake.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:35:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sniper1az: My ex bought my son a Honda w/ 100K on it for him. What a piece of CRAP! It was the only 5 year old $3500 car that had $8000 into it!She donated it for taxes as it didn't run anymore without BIG MONEY more into it. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING WITH BELT-DRIVE OVERHEAD CAMSHAFTS IN IT.CHAIN DRIVE CAMS OR WALK AWAY! Most people don't change the belts at 60K miles and when it goes, in a Honda you buy a NEW MOTOR! This is because the stupid Japs don't design piston to valve clearance. Moved the kid down here with me for collage & bought him a 2002 Ford Ranger 4x2. Cost me $11,070 before tax & plates with Ford's 2k rebate.Insurance is also low because its a truck not a unibody. Chose wisely , your child wellbeing is at stake.
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Well, the stupid Japs designed the engine in my Mazda 929 not to bend the valves if the belt breaks. It is not the fault of the manufacturer if people are too dumb to have their belt changed when they should. I do believe that your Ranger has a belt driven OHC if it's the 2.3 or the 4.0. It's college, not collage. I have never seen a MOTOR have to be replaced because of a belt breaking, but I have seen ENGINEs have to be replaced.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:46:26 PM EDT
LARGE, VERY LARGE, so she has a chance in a crash. Econo boxes are killers! Equally good advice for adults. POOR FUEL ECONOMY. Costs her enough for gas to restrict her driving somewhat. MPG is way over rated, actually, as that is a rather small part of total ownership cost. CHEAP as we know she WILL bend it. Low enough value that no collison insurance is required (or loan). Not needing other than liability insurance really keeps cost down. She needs to pay the insurance and replacement cost - will teach responsibility when she bends it. NO AIR BAGS, they kill smaller people and do lousy job protecting anyone. (Damn things are unhooked in ALL my vehicles!) MAKE HARD RULE that if you EVER even hear she has put the thing in gear without her seatbelt you take the keys for 30 days. Double it for each additional offense!! Same for MOVING violations. Buy lots of sleeping pills - for you.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 6:48:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 7:09:09 PM EDT
First off, if you can afford it, buy it for her and pay the insurance. Don't make her work, tell her you'd rather see her get good grades than working to be able to drive to work... Second, get something solid. Find something nice but not too nice. If it is too nice, it will get vandalized. Personal experience. Find something with an airbag if she's not the dainty type (for example, a little bit more solid than the 5'1" and 110 pounds like my g/f). It's a sort of Jekyll/Hyde thing when the parents aren't around. I'm 18 and probably don't exhibit the most responsible driving, but i have never been in a crash, (never even a close call), and have never been ticketed. Third: AND THIS IS IMPORTANT!! Tell her "This is the only vehicle you get. It runs good. it doesn't have any dents. It should last you a looong time. If you f*ck it up, you don't get anything new." --It worked when my parents told me that a couple years ago... Make sure that you impress on her that NO ONE else drives it but her. Let me tell ya-it's easy to work around not having a back seat, pickup trucks DON'T solve that problem.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 7:10:04 PM EDT
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V6 is a good comprimise. not overpowered but not underpowered. it can move when needed but that requires pedal to the metal. my V6 firebird (insurance was cheaper on a 1994 firebird than a 1988 GMC Jimmy, my guess is safety gear, airbags, ect) costs 500/6mo for insurance. now granted this is because i got my license pulled for speeding... in the blazer which had trouble keeping 70(mannytranny) up a slight hill in 5th. it was a V6 as well, over/under powered really depends on the car itself.a v6 blazer is not a very fast car, it will move when kicked but that is not good to do all the time. my V6 firebird is much faster. because its gearing is setup for speed where-as the blazer was setup for power, blazer is 4WD. i totaled the first car i drove but didnt own it. V6 Jeep Cherokee 1984. it was raining i was doing 30 in the right lane of a 55 highway, most everyone was down to this speed. i hit a puddle i couldnt see the car was pulled over a embankment on the right. the front tires stopped the rear slid down the hill till i was turned 90 degrees. she slid down 10 feet. the rear stopped and the nose swung another 90 degrees so i was facing the way i came. now the nose hit a stump and the vehical rolled (45 degree or more incline) 1 full roll and came to a rest on its tires. ripped 3 off of the rims. engine was still running. damage was minor but enought to total it. every panel was dinged, most of the windows broken. and the right front corner of the engine compartment was crumpled a bit.(minor because the frame wasnt torqued at all) i walked away from this up the hill. across the highway(it had cleared up a good bit and i could see a long enough distance to be safe) and walked/ran across the highway to the car dealership (which ironcicaly sold Jeeps, thou its not where it was bought, bought it in NM) called home. "mom come get me i rolled the jeep in at the jeep dealer". i lived to tell about it. Firebird = Fun in the Sun Blazer = Fun in the woods Blazers have a nice folddown seat that opens up the back area for sleeping backs and.... mabey its not a good idea ;)
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 7:17:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By walttx: my first daughter i gave her my old toyota truck,1 yr later i bought her a camaro.shes 21 now and hasnt been a wreck.(knock on wood). 2nd daughter i bought her a acura integra, we just came across it,i bought it because its a honda,thats what we were looking for. the camaro and acura had about 40,45k miles on them. i didnt want something to old. i dont want to work on them. both s learned how to drive a stick shift first. 2nd daughter was in a wreck ,but it wasnt her fault. walter
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i havent had a wreck yet. i am not 21, but i give credit to my dad for teaching me how to drive. P.S. YET it the key word.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 7:18:37 PM EDT
I'll second (or is it third?) the Volvo suggestion.
Link Posted: 5/19/2002 7:27:08 PM EDT
When my boy turns 16, he's getting [b][url=http://www.fisher-price.com/us/powerwheels/showroom/product.asp?sku=74310]this[/url][/b] It's just a suggestion. I only have 9 years to go, so I'd better start saving now.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 3:19:25 AM EDT
Somehow I managed to talk my Dad into co-signing a loan for a 71 Cuda 340CI with 3 two barrel carbs sitting on top....SWEET....now its my turn to get my son a vehicle in about another year...he's getting a bicycle
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 3:24:08 AM EDT
If you are a rich daddy....get her a BMW. [:)]
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 2:27:06 PM EDT
We did the power wheels thing about ten years ago, I still think they are the coolest toys. Bicycles don't compete very well with horses. No, I am not a rich daddy. Not even close. At least not in dollars.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 2:34:55 PM EDT
My daughter's eyes kinda lit up at the suggestion of the BMW and Benz. Might just take her mind off the truck. Although, I'm sure that by the time she gets her license, her mind will change at least 20 times.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 2:37:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Wasted-life: We did the power wheels thing about ten years ago, I still think they are the coolest toys. Bicycles don't compete very well with horses. No, I am not a rich daddy. Not even close. At least not in dollars.
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If you're in the Mesa area, maybe you can find my '67 Camaro I traded in back in '76. Sweet car - 327ci, 4 speed.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 2:43:49 PM EDT
chevy van, do it for the children.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 2:48:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boomholzer: chevy van, do it for the children.
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Did it for the children in a Chevy van once, many years ago.[:)]
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 3:17:50 PM EDT
wasted-life, this should end the discussion right here. p.s. and this was their smallest model until the mini. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=118120[/url] WL Buy the BMW even with 100k
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