[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LEOs join WI protest (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/27/2011 10:15:28 PM EDT
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http://understory.ran.org/2011/02/25/breaking-wisconsin-police-have-joined-protest-inside-state-capitol/
Dupe? “Hundreds of cops have just marched into the Wisconsin state capitol building to protest the anti-Union bill, to massive applause. They now join up to 600 people who are inside.”
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| To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous. |
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Apparently oath/duty<union politics. Retired LE union member here say fuck 'em. Ditto, except I haven't had the sense to retire yet. Stay the course and keep fighting the good fight, brother. My retirement was early, forced and not my idea. That was a dozen surgeries ago. Those who are able and willing, who shun the honor of their badge to genuflect before their Union masters, can pretty much choke on my spodee. 
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| I don't really know how to feel. ( I don't know much about the entire situation). While I think that leos should not be engaged in political affairs, they are off duty. However, I believe once they break the laws they all should get fired. I would be willing to bet that if 500 jobs were magically opened up tomorrow 1000+ individuals would be willing to take the jobs, non union from all of America. |
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To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous. How many threads is this same post going to appear in? |
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To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous. How many threads is this same post going to appear in? Hopefully every one pertaining to the topic at hand. |
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Quoted: Well, that's not a good indication. I guess in a commie revolution, the cops will be with them.  i think it might depend on where you live but certainly in some states. Most of the cops I have met here are very conservative and probably wouldn't but who knows. I wouldn't expect ANY cop to refuse to do their job because of their union ties and yet it happens. we need to nip this shit in the butt. the officers only loyalty should be to enforcing the law. |
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To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous. How many threads is this same post going to appear in? Hopefully every one pertaining to the topic at hand. Truths self-evident bear the years and tides without assail or compromise. This one should be borne in granite, in a leeward face, for all to recognize. |
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Well, that's not a good indication. I guess in a commie revolution, the cops will be with them. i think it might depend on where you live but certainly in some states. Most of the cops I have met here are very conservative and probably wouldn't but who knows. we need to nip this shit in the butt. the officers only loyalty should be to enforcing the law. Could not agree more. 
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Hmmm....union member first...LEO second. That just doesn't sound quite right.  The appropriate reaction would be extreme disgust and contempt for the LEOs in this case who have abdicated their duties to join in solidarity with moonbat commies. They can no longer be trusted to perform their duties as LEOs and have shown extremely poor judgement in this matter. Nothing surprises me anymore. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Hey guys just figured this was pertinent. We are "studying" the gilded age in my history class. Here was a class mates discussion post. "There was a lot of dissatisfaction with the "laissez faire" attitude toward big industry. The labor force tried to take a stand against corpate oppression. Men, women, and children were regulated to work long work weeks, they recieved low pay, and had dangerous work conditions. In response to these conditions, the labor force started to form unions. Organizations, like the Knights of Labor, tried to take action. They tried taking their grievances to the state government. State courts would side with the laborers and try to regulat work hous and working conditions. "
That is about half length and just as it was posted. You would think some basic attention to spelling and grammar Hell half of that mistakes would be caught by spell check via their browser. Liberal Arts major? You decide... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every single one of those LEOs should be looking for a new job one the State Police, or failing that, the WI National Guard is called in. There are no state police in WI. Hmm, I worked out of WI for two years and did not know that. We have a State Patrol, but they are statutorily prohibited from investigating crimes outside of traffic. We have the WI Dept of Criminal Investigation, but they are basically like the FBI for the state. Don't really get their hands dirty.  Then there is the Capitol Police, but AFAIK they are basically just security. So, we don't have a "State Police Force" in the traditional sense, like most states do. |
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Apparently oath/duty<union politics. Retired LE union member here say fuck 'em. it is all about the pocket book...people could care less about their country, honor, commitment, etc...as long as they get their benefits. FUCK EM. So typical these days....ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME |
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"fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen" Which is weird, you know, because out here in the free market services are rendered upon payment. Government: Forcing you to buy what they have to sell whether you want it or not. And then maybe not delivering. |
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Every single one of those LEOs should be looking for a new job one the State Police, or failing that, the WI National Guard is called in. There are no state police in WI. Hmm, I worked out of WI for two years and did not know that. We have a State Patrol, but they are statutorily prohibited from investigating crimes outside of traffic. We have the WI Dept of Criminal Investigation, but they are basically like the FBI for the state. Don't really get their hands dirty.
Then there is the Capitol Police, but AFAIK they are basically just security. So, we don't have a "State Police Force" in the traditional sense, like most states do. Having been raised in, and back living in Wisconsin for 5 years now, I have to say I'm ashamed I didn't really know this... I'd always assumed our state patrol was like the state police.
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To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous. I'll take #4..........
First I thought they'd joined the Women's Institute.. 
Anyway, Matthew-Q's post is fine , so long as the government play fair with their employees. (of course, what is fair is a matter of perspective). We are not allowed to strike by law, it's part of our conditions of service. I have been extremely lucky in that I have served most of my service in what has been a relatively good period to be a cop. However, that has been changing over the past 5-10 years and will soon bite hard. We don't have a union but our Police Federation is a representative body and many are now calling, in the face of declining favourable conditions of service, for the right to strike..... 
Retirement is only 3 1/2 years away, thankfully... |
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Not if its pertinent to the thread and the thoughts he wishes to express. Endlessly cutting and pasting the same comment in thread after thread is spam. I guess if thats someones way of approaching an issue..thats them: a cookie cutter mindset; Says a lot. |
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Walker needs to show some toughness. If the police won't do the job, he needs to engage the National Guard. If the police have been politicized, they're part of the problem. Calvin Coolidge fired the MA cops who struck in his day. Reagan took a page out of his book. Now Walker should follow Reagan––if he has the guts. |
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Just waiting for Gov. Walker's next move in this chess game, surely this was considered likely, since the cops are in public unions. Lets just hope that Joe Taxpayer is paying attention. Order the Capital building closed due to health/sanitation/fire regulations. Order the appropriate police department to enforce the closure. Fire the ones who don't obey. |
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To tolerate or recognize any combination of civil service employees of the government as a labor organization or union is not only incompatible with the spirit of democracy, but inconsistent with every principle upon which our government is founded. Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. To admit as true that government employees have power to halt or check the functions of government unless their demands are satisfied, is to transfer to them all legislative, executive and judicial power. Nothing would be more ridiculous. Who said this? |
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What you are seeing is government-sponsored tribalism.
That middle-east mentality of "me and my tribe against the world" has infected the USA in the form of unions. The union is seen as the tribe, the rest of the country is seen as the enemy. Tribal membership is the first and strongest priority. When you see tribalism infect LEOs, then the system of laws breaks down. |