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2/13/2011 6:18:29 PM EDT
So I went to the fun store to get  a new piece and the guy behind the counter ran my info  on NICS and came back saying he got a delay .
  Meaning no response . They have up to 5 days to let him know . If they don't say no then I am good to go .
   Gun shop guy said he had 14 guns on hold in his back room with the same deal .  Lots of people buying guns now , He said .

Anyone else have this happen to them .

New thing to me >

What the Heck !!
2/13/2011 6:19:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Just purchased a pistol on Thursday.  Had about a 3 hour delay .  I'm used to it now.
2/13/2011 6:20:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Texas CHL for the win.
2/13/2011 6:20:29 PM EDT
[#3]
yeah, i used to go through instantly every time, now i get delayed every time.  Oh well.  I live 10 minutes from the gunshop so meh.
2/13/2011 6:20:35 PM EDT
[#4]
par for the course for me

I just plan ahead now
2/13/2011 6:22:21 PM EDT
[#5]
I've never had a delay. Just bought a G19 Thursday––no problems. Of course, being LE, I'd definitely be concerned if there was a delay.

Just curious, are any of you who have had problems putting your SSN on the 4473?
2/13/2011 6:22:48 PM EDT
[#6]
One of many reasons I like having my GFL.
2/13/2011 6:22:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Once, at Bass Pro on a Saturday.  Was told everyone was delayed, including a police man.



2 days later... approved.


2/13/2011 6:22:57 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Texas CHL for the win.


Yep , same way here !

2/13/2011 6:25:02 PM EDT
[#9]
Bought an SA Thursday. 30 seconds to call it in.
2/13/2011 6:25:21 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Texas CHL for the win.


Yep , same way here !



Ditto.

Now... if they would just eschew the 4471 and allow us to just show our CCW cards at the cashier as we pay for the gun and have that be it, then we'd have something.

2/13/2011 6:26:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
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Texas CHL for the win.


Yep , same way here !



Ditto.

Now... if they would just eschew the 4471 and allow us to just show our CCW cards at the cashier as we pay for the gun and have that be it, then we'd have something.



And the 4473 as well.
2/13/2011 6:29:15 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
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Texas CHL for the win.


Yep , same way here !



Ditto.

Now... if they would just eschew the 4471 and allow us to just show our CCW cards at the cashier as we pay for the gun and have that be it, then we'd have something.



And the 4473 as well.


That would be awsome
2/13/2011 6:32:20 PM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:


So I went to the fun store to get  a new piece and the guy behind the counter ran my info  on NICS and came back saying he got a delay .

  Meaning no response . They have up to 5 days to let him know . If they don't say no then I am good to go .

   Gun shop guy said he had 14 guns on hold in his back room with the same deal .  Lots of people buying guns now , He said .



Anyone else have this happen to them .



New thing to me >



What the Heck !!


Why no CHL?



 
2/13/2011 6:34:06 PM EDT
[#14]
Man, I hate having to tell people they have a delay.  They are all sad, and I love helping people pick out a gun and see them leave all excited, gets me fired up to hit the range too.

Also, a lot of my state handgun hotline people are assholes too....


I'm a nice guy in a gun shop, sue me
2/13/2011 6:34:58 PM EDT
[#15]
I always use my SSN on the 4473 and I have never had a problem.

I think the risk of hang-ups is a lot higher if you don't.
2/13/2011 6:36:12 PM EDT
[#16]
Used to get my guns in minutes,  now......  Delay every time!  
2/13/2011 6:36:37 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
I always use my SSN on the 4473 and I have never had a problem.

I think the risk of hang-ups is a lot higher if you don't.




Agreed, 9/10 times the ones I get delays or further reviews on are when people leave off their SSNs.
2/13/2011 6:39:35 PM EDT
[#18]
Gun show weekend here really bogs down the system. Lots of delays.
 
2/13/2011 6:41:07 PM EDT
[#19]
Part time gun salesman here and yep the amount of delays we been getting is fucking ridiculous. We have a folder at least three inches thick full of delayed 4473's. Worst part is if you're military there's a 80% chance your ass is getting delayed, hold a security clearance and it's more like 90%. Some of these guys been waiting weeks with zero response and the owner won't release guns without one.
 
2/13/2011 6:41:53 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Texas CHL for the win.


Unfortunately an OR CHL doesn't exempt you from the bgc. A bill currently in to change that but since our state is a liberal hellhole I don't see it passing.

Anyway, back on topic. I was only delayed once for about 3 hours, so I just ran back there when they called. I went back and got it, then they called the next day and they had written down the wrong serial number (they put down the number of another pistol of the same model that they still had in stock ) and wanted me to bring it back again.

2/13/2011 6:42:39 PM EDT
[#21]
Never had that problem,I always have to wait 7 days.
2/13/2011 6:45:15 PM EDT
[#22]
I thought after 3 days the FFL can release the gun?
2/13/2011 6:46:05 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Texas CHL for the win.


Yep , same way here !



Same in KY.

2/13/2011 6:48:57 PM EDT
[#24]
SC CWP, no delays
2/13/2011 6:49:43 PM EDT
[#25]
I have a CHP and got delayed when I bought my last lower. I had just gotten home, a 5 minute drive, when he called he to say I was approved.
2/13/2011 6:51:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
I thought after 3 days the FFL can release the gun?


They can.  They don't have to.  Some dealers won't release until they get the approval.
2/13/2011 6:51:36 PM EDT
[#27]
Every now and then, NICS is just backed up, or there's a technical issue, or something to those effects.  Seems that more often than not it has nothing to do with the person filling out the form.....though there are times where you can just eyeball it and tell .





ETA:  Sometimes it has to do with people who have "something" on their record, but in order to ID what it is, some poor clerk somewhere has to go physically root through files.



For those people who are "always" delayed, look into getting a UPIN––a Unique Personal Identifying Number.  It'd go in the box next to the optional SSN box, and would indicate to NICS that they've already worked through whatever issue it is before, and it's a non-issue anyhow.



 
2/13/2011 6:52:17 PM EDT
[#28]
SSN is the way to go.
2/13/2011 6:52:19 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:

And the 4473 as well.



LOL... yeah. Brainfart on my part.

2/13/2011 6:55:10 PM EDT
[#30]



Quoted:


Part time gun salesman here and yep the amount of delays we been getting is fucking ridiculous. We have a folder at least three inches thick full of delayed 4473's. Worst part is if you're military there's a 80% chance your ass is getting delayed, hold a security clearance and it's more like 90%. Some of these guys been waiting weeks with zero response and the owner won't release guns without one.  


wait a minute, I thought if there is no response within 5 business days the FFL holder is suppose to treat it as a "no response" and pass possession onto the applicant.  I thought this was an ATF rule and not FFL holder dependent.

 
2/13/2011 6:59:19 PM EDT
[#31]





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Part time gun salesman here and yep the amount of delays we been getting is fucking ridiculous. We have a folder at least three inches thick full of delayed 4473's. Worst part is if you're military there's a 80% chance your ass is getting delayed, hold a security clearance and it's more like 90%. Some of these guys been waiting weeks with zero response and the owner won't release guns without one.  



wait a minute, I thought if there is no response within 5 business days the FFL holder is suppose to treat it as a "no response" and pass possession onto the applicant.  I thought this was an ATF rule and not FFL holder dependent.  



When you call in, the dude on the other end of the phone says "Delayed.  The Brady law does not prohibit you from transferring the firearm on XYZ date if you've not heard from us in the meantime", or somethign to that effect.  Doesn't say "You must transfer it", it's more of a grey area indicating that there's nothing prohibiting the transfer.....which leaves open the possibility that you transfer a firearm to someone who shouldn't get one, they commit a crime, and can sue your ass off.  Where I work has instituted a "if we don't get a proceed, they don't get the gun" policy because of the potential for lawsuits in this day and age.  As a consumer, it's BS, but as a seller I can see how the possibility of such a lawsuit––however miniscule––isn't worth "the risk."





 
2/13/2011 7:03:08 PM EDT
[#32]



Quoted:


I've never had a delay. Just bought a G19 Thursday––no problems. Of course, being LE, I'd definitely be concerned if there was a delay.



Just curious, are any of you who have had problems putting your SSN on the 4473?


I worked at a gun shop for almost 2 years. I have had law enforcement officers get denied- no shit. I have also made LE do the 3 day wait many times because they didn't have a CCW. Laws are funny



 
2/13/2011 7:06:55 PM EDT
[#33]
I've never put my ssn and have never been delayed (knock on wood)
2/13/2011 7:16:02 PM EDT
[#34]
If there are large gun shows on the weekends the call lines will be swamped.  Not sure if in other states, but gun sales here in oregon are booming.  It's almost like people are expecting a ban or something.

It's never happened to me, but I've seen others that had issues and had to wait.
No sense sweating over it.  Don't you guys remember the old days when waiting periods where what 10 days? or more.

Oregon used to let you pick up a handgun on the spot with a CHL but when the "Instant check" program started a few years back they stopped that option.
2/13/2011 7:18:00 PM EDT
[#35]
I haven't had too many delays recently and I didn't have any today, but my guys are always fine with waitin three business days if needed. It doesn't happen too often.

2/13/2011 7:18:16 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
SSN is the way to go.


I agree, it's not like the fed don't know it already
2/13/2011 7:18:34 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Once, at Bass Pro on a Saturday.  Was told everyone was delayed, including a police man.

2 days later... approved.


A. Yes it was a Bass pro shop . near Chicago if that matters .
And
2.  NO I didn't use my SSN . Maybe I should of ??? Next time I guess .

Oh well ,  Kinda makes me feel just a little bit better knowing that I'm not the only one to have  this happen  .
2/13/2011 7:22:00 PM EDT
[#38]
I've been delayed a couple of times. It seemed to be purely random. I have everything I need, so anything else that I buy is for fun and I'm not going to make an issue out of this. We have bigger problems.
2/13/2011 7:29:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Haven't been delayed for years, I think it was the first year or so NICS started, but I was only delayed for a few hours.





Real weird, I have a really strange, probably unique middle name too.





Always use my SS# on the form now.