Posted: 2/11/2011 3:19:08 PM EDT
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If a rifle arrives at my door via UPS from an FFL and I refuse it, it returns to sender, correct? |
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Why would you refuse it? Package damage or something funny going on with the box? that's my only guess... Even if it's damaged it's on the sender, not the receiver, to file a claim. Usually that happens after the recipient gets the package. Oh, and in for the story of why you'd refuse a rifle. Are you an FFL? And if not, why would you be receiving a rifle? |
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Why would you refuse it? Package damage or something funny going on with the box? that's my only guess... I was thinking that maybe it was sent to him instead of his FFL, but the more logical thing to do in that case would seem to be to accept it and take it to the FFL to handle the transfer. |
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Why would you refuse it? Package damage or something funny going on with the box? that's my only guess... I was thinking that maybe it was sent to him instead of his FFL, but the more logical thing to do in that case would seem to be to accept it and take it to the FFL to handle the transfer. If it was sent to him instead of his FFL he should contact ups and have it delivered to an alternate address (the dealer's). UPS will do this if he has an info notice from a delivery attempt or at the shipper's request. |
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Long story short: I sold a guy a rifle (on another board) and shipped it to his FFL. He said his FFL said it failed a headspace gauge. I said send it back I'll refund your money. He said OK. That was 40 days ago. A week ago today he said it was being overnighted. Still nothing. Today I wrote him back and said enjoy your rifle, I'm spending the money. My luck it'll show up on my door Monday, but I've been more than fair. (the FFL said since they never transferred it to him, they can ship it directly back to me, which is probably true). |
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Quoted: Long story short: I sold a guy a rifle (on another board) and shipped it to his FFL. He said his FFL said it failed a headspace gauge. I said send it back I'll refund your money. He said OK. That was 40 days ago. A week ago today he said it was being overnighted. Still nothing. Today I wrote him back and said enjoy your rifle, I'm spending the money. My luck it'll show up on my door Monday, but I've been more than fair. (the FFL said since they never transferred it to him, they can ship it directly back to me, which is probably true). Sounds like you've got a well documented case to me. It's that guy's problem. 40 days is long enough to flood the earth, it's sure long enough to ship a rifle. |
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Long story short: I sold a guy a rifle (on another board) and shipped it to his FFL. He said his FFL said it failed a headspace gauge. I said send it back I'll refund your money. He said OK. That was 40 days ago. A week ago today he said it was being overnighted. Still nothing. Today I wrote him back and said enjoy your rifle, I'm spending the money. My luck it'll show up on my door Monday, but I've been more than fair. (the FFL said since they never transferred it to him, they can ship it directly back to me, which is probably true). Not quite... If he received it that long ago it is in his book, so it is "his." If he sends it back to you it needs to go to an FFL. There are exceptions, like sending it to a manufacturer to repair, CMP etc. FFLs are required to record firearm acquisitions and disposals in their bound book within 24 or 48 hours (I forget which, we do them right away). |
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I just spoke with a guy who bought a rifle and was having it shipped to his FFL; UPS decided to call him after being unable to complete delivery the first time, and had him come down to the UPS facility to pick it up himself. O_o I received a rifle from UPS last night, the sender addressed it to the customer, C/O our business. The UPS driver saw my name, then looked at the package and asked "is that for a friend?" 
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Quoted: Quoted: Long story short: I sold a guy a rifle (on another board) and shipped it to his FFL. He said his FFL said it failed a headspace gauge. I said send it back I'll refund your money. He said OK. That was 40 days ago. A week ago today he said it was being overnighted. Still nothing. Today I wrote him back and said enjoy your rifle, I'm spending the money. My luck it'll show up on my door Monday, but I've been more than fair. (the FFL said since they never transferred it to him, they can ship it directly back to me, which is probably true). Not quite... If he received it that long ago it is in his book, so it is "his." If he sends it back to you it needs to go to an FFL. There are exceptions, like sending it to a manufacturer to repair, CMP etc. FFLs are required to record firearm acquisitions and disposals in their bound book within 24 or 48 hours (I forget which, we do them right away). Even more reason for me to refuse it if it does show up. Thanks. |
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Long story short: I sold a guy a rifle (on another board) and shipped it to his FFL. He said his FFL said it failed a headspace gauge. I said send it back I'll refund your money. He said OK. That was 40 days ago. A week ago today he said it was being overnighted. Still nothing. Today I wrote him back and said enjoy your rifle, I'm spending the money. My luck it'll show up on my door Monday, but I've been more than fair. (the FFL said since they never transferred it to him, they can ship it directly back to me, which is probably true). It's false and illegal. The only way that FFL could ship the gun directly back to you is if you sent it to him for repair or gunsmithing work. Also, why did the transfer FFL check the headspace on the rifle? Did the buyer ask him to do a light technical inspection on it? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Long story short: I sold a guy a rifle (on another board) and shipped it to his FFL. He said his FFL said it failed a headspace gauge. I said send it back I'll refund your money. He said OK. That was 40 days ago. A week ago today he said it was being overnighted. Still nothing. Today I wrote him back and said enjoy your rifle, I'm spending the money. My luck it'll show up on my door Monday, but I've been more than fair. (the FFL said since they never transferred it to him, they can ship it directly back to me, which is probably true). It's false and illegal. The only way that FFL could ship the gun directly back to you is if you sent it to him for repair or gunsmithing work. Also, why did the transfer FFL check the headspace on the rifle? Did the buyer ask him to do a light technical inspection on it? Sounds like a case of buyers remorse to me. |
| Almost every M1 Garand with a USGI barrel that has been shot much will probably fail a commercial NO-GO gage. Failing the NO-GO only means "inspect further" on a Garand, not condemn the barrel. It is declared unserviceable if it doesn't pass the FIELD gage. This is a FACT, and I'm sure someone out there has the government armorer's notes on it. I have seen it on several Garands personally, and they still shot well. |
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Why would you refuse it? Package damage or something funny going on with the box? that's my only guess... Your guess is correct, visible damages are one of the very few ways the consignee can refuse a delivery legally. As a part time job, I inspect damaged freight, sometimes for UPS Freight (a separate company) but not for Big Brown Santa, at least so far. If delivery of the the consignment is refused by the consignee, the carrier (freight company) becomes the consignee and technically owns the consignment and must pay the original shipper for it. Freight companies don't want to end up owning damaged freight, so they pay for an inspection that will hopefully show that the commodity is not damaged, just the packaging. If the commodity is found not to be damaged, it will be returned to the original consignee and delivered, whether he signs for it or not. If the commodity itself is damaged, then it will be returned to the original shipper, and the freight company will have to work out a money settlement on the costs of damages. Steve |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why would you refuse it? Package damage or something funny going on with the box? that's my only guess... Your guess is correct, visible damages are one of the very few ways the consignee can refuse a delivery legally. Violations of federal law are probably another way to legally refuse a delivery |
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Why would you refuse it? Package damage or something funny going on with the box? that's my only guess... Your guess is correct, visible damages are one of the very few ways the consignee can refuse a delivery legally. Violations of federal law are probably another way to legally refuse a delivery Maybe, I don't get to inspect many firearms. I wish I did, maybe it is a niche market and I could charge more for that service.... |