[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is veterans preference wrong? (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 2/8/2011 1:49:43 PM EDT
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I had a interesting discussion with a co-worker today. "Glenn" feels that veterans preference points for government and government contract jobs are unfair and are merely another form of affirmative action. Glenn stated that only the most qualified applicant should get the job. I contend that it is part of the total pay and benefits package that the military offers to those that enlist and serve in wartime and/or become disabled because of their service. Glenn has never served in the military. Glenn owns a small cattle farm as a side business and I know for a fact he has received money and benefits from government agricultural subsidy programs. I say Glenn is a hypocrite.
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Quoted: So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me.  Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line.
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| I just applied for a Federal job and I consider my 10-point preference for being a disabled, combat vet a benefit for allowing the government to break down my body for eight years. I figure that me and my fellow disabled vets deserve a little extra preference for making the sacrifices we made while our contemoraries were drinking beer and chasing sorostitutes around campus. |
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Quoted: Shit, for some folks, college is way better than the military.IBCIBTTM (In Before College Is Better Than The Military) For others, the military gives them something that nothing else in life could provide. It's really not a "One Size Fits All" kind of thing.
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Quoted: If you were injured, you usually get MORE credit.Quoted: So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line. For example, on the recent civil service exams that I took, vet pref was normally 5 points. Vet pref for people with service caused disabilities was 10 points. |
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I have the same argument Once a month with some asshat on the NJ LE Forums...Standard Answer Fuck You..THEY CHOSE to serve YOU stayed home sitting on your ass, they get preference...Dont like it..touch shit choose another line of work.
i Chose NOT to go .Mil....something i've always regretted, however that doesnt mean i Begrudge those who have served. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Shit, for some folks, college is way better than the military.IBCIBTTM (In Before College Is Better Than The Military) For others, the military gives them something that nothing else in life could provide. It's really not a "One Size Fits All" kind of thing. Of course. I'm not saying that it isn't. We've had some threads recently where it was declared that ANY college was better than military experience. Like you said, it ain't "One Size Fits All". |
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So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line.
Depends on the state Runce. in NJ at least you had to be in specific Zones during specific TIMES to qualify. A Buddy from HS missed it by 3 days, he was literally getting on the Plane to go to Kuwait when they stood down from Desert Storm.. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you were injured, you usually get MORE credit.Quoted: So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line. For example, on the recent civil service exams that I took, vet pref was normally 5 points. Vet pref for people with service caused disabilities was 10 points. Frankly, for that... they should just give you the job... even if you're a drooling, fucking, moron. But, that's just me. If you put yourself in harm's way for strangers... that's a Wonka Golden Ticket, AFAIC.
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Another way to look at it is that it's no different than a private company having a hiring preference for it's current or former employees wherever possible.
After trying to get some fed.gov jobs and losing out A LOT to the veterans preference/points etc. it's irritating, but I don't see anything inherently "unfair" about it. |
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Quoted: I'd have to say that that.... is utter nonsense. Quoted: Quoted: Shit, for some folks, college is way better than the military.IBCIBTTM (In Before College Is Better Than The Military) For others, the military gives them something that nothing else in life could provide. It's really not a "One Size Fits All" kind of thing. Of course. I'm not saying that it isn't. We've had some threads recently where it was declared that ANY college was better than military experience. Like you said, it ain't "One Size Fits All". Putting other people's lives in your hands... is an utterly transformative experience, AFAIC.
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Quoted: Quoted: So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line. One draws the line at 'being a veteran' or 'not being a veteran'. Pretty simple, no? |
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As the Federal Government is the employer for military, and they create the compensation packages for military, offering preference as part of hiring for other jobs they have is a form of compensation, not affirmative action.
Now, on the state on local level, you could argue it would be. But they could also see prior military service as a plus for applicants and hire based on that prior experience. |
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This is a tough one. I'm all for providing excellent benefits for those who have served, but the government has an obligation to the taxpayer to hire the best person for the job. Jobs are not benefits.
On the other hand, if I were an employer, I would probably hire a candidate who had served over an equally qualified one who hadn't, simply because you know they aren't a complete slacker. |
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Ive got absolutley no problem with giving the edge to a vet if he's neck and neck or maybe even a LITTLE behind against someone who has only ever been a civi. That being said, im against hiring anyone due to preferential treatment if they are unqualified. That goes for any service, race, sex, religion, etc.
Your co-worker is an idiot for thinking its like affirmative action. Last time I checked there werent certain "ratios" that HR depts like to have of vets vs non-prior. |
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Quoted: So, if I sat behind a desk typing reports in New Jersey... while other guys were shooting it out with bad guys in foreign lands... then I'm a "vet".Quoted: Quoted: So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line. One draws the line at 'being a veteran' or 'not being a veteran'. Pretty simple, no? (Again. Not being a dick. Not a military guy... I don't know how military guys look at this sort of thing.)
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So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line.
One draws the line at 'being a veteran' or 'not being a veteran'. Pretty simple, no?
(Again. Not being a dick. Not a military guy... I don't know how military guys look at this sort of thing.)
Read the link. There are basically two types of preference eligibles, disabled (10 point preference eligible) and non-disabled (5 point preference eligibles). You are a 5 point preference eligible if your active duty service meets any of the following: 1. 180 or more consecutive days, any part of which occurred during the period beginning September 11, 2001 and ending on a future date prescribed by Presidential proclamation or law as the last date of Operation Iraqi Freedom, OR 2. Between August 2, 1990 and January 2, 1992, OR 3. 180 or more consecutive days, any part of which occurred after January 31, 1955 and before October 15, 1976. 4. In a war, campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge has been authorized or between April 28, 1952 and July 1, 1955. You are a 10 point preference eligible if you served at any time, and you: 1. have a service connected disability, OR 2. received a Purple Heart. |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you.
On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. |
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Honestly the only time Veterans preference should make a bit of difference is when there are two otherwise equally qualified candidates for the same position. They are spending my money, and I want it spent as efficiently as possible, giving less qualified veterans jobs over better qualified non veterans is a poor use of my money.
Yes, I am a veteran myself, if I had wanted handouts and perks I would have applied for welfare instead of enlisting. |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". |
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Quoted: Well, that's what I'm talking about. Quoted: Quoted: So, if I sat behind a desk typing reports in New Jersey... while other guys were shooting it out with bad guys in foreign lands... then I'm a "vet".Quoted: Quoted: So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line. One draws the line at 'being a veteran' or 'not being a veteran'. Pretty simple, no? (Again. Not being a dick. Not a military guy... I don't know how military guys look at this sort of thing.) Read the link. There are basically two types of preference eligibles, disabled (10 point preference eligible) and non-disabled (5 point preference eligibles). You are a 5 point preference eligible if your active duty service meets any of the following: 1. 180 or more consecutive days, any part of which occurred during the period beginning September 11, 2001 and ending on a future date prescribed by Presidential proclamation or law as the last date of Operation Iraqi Freedom, OR 2. Between August 2, 1990 and January 2, 1992, OR 3. 180 or more consecutive days, any part of which occurred after January 31, 1955 and before October 15, 1976. 4. In a war, campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge has been authorized or between April 28, 1952 and July 1, 1955. You are a 10 point preference eligible if you served at any time, and you: 1. have a service connected disability, OR 2. received a Purple Heart. Like I said, that's a Wonka Ticket, AFAIC.
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. |
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Oh boy, you guys wanna see a raging vet pref vs. anti-vet pref in hiring debate?
Troll around in these forums: http://www.federalsoup.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=17&SID=1da6cd2d77a4b574912db4fc6aaafd8e&title=new-hire-or-looking-to-be-hired |
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I see it as another benefit received for serving our country....don't like it?...tough shit.
While I'm at it...unless you are disabled in some way that keeps you from serving I don't think you should have the right to vote if you don't serve in the military.... Serving in the military gives you a whole new outlook on life... Since I'm on a roll why not....Hell, if you don't serve in the .mil you shouldn't have citizenship either.... Damn, I'm starting to sound like a poster child for Starship Troopers.. |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. |
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I think all forms of hiring preference are anti-capitalist. I also think anyone who doesn't use them to their advantage is an idiot. I have the utmost respect and admiration for our military, and I can agree with you on both points. both of these.... |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. Good compensation is whatever the market will bear. Since there's no real shortage of qualified candidates for the Infantry PFC role at the moment, compensation doesn't need to be that high. Fair/unfair, what you 'deserve', none of that enters into the equation. How many people are willing to do the task, how many people do we need to do the task, how many people do we want to do the task. Those are the only variables that matter. |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. Good compensation is whatever the market will bear. Since there's no real shortage of qualified candidates for the Infantry PFC role at the moment, compensation doesn't need to be that high. Fair/unfair, what you 'deserve', none of that enters into the equation. How many people are willing to do the task, how many people do we need to do the task, how many people do we want to do the task. Those are the only variables that matter. The military is not part of the free market. Those portions of the free market which are preforming the closest comparable job pay over $100,000 per year. I can tell you have never been a combat infantryman. |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. Good compensation is whatever the market will bear. Since there's no real shortage of qualified candidates for the Infantry PFC role at the moment, compensation doesn't need to be that high. Fair/unfair, what you 'deserve', none of that enters into the equation. How many people are willing to do the task, how many people do we need to do the task, how many people do we want to do the task. Those are the only variables that matter. The military is not part of the free market. Those portions of the free market which are preforming the closest comparable job pay over $100,000 per year. I can tell you have never been a combat infantryman. We have no draft, the labor market is quite free. It is a volunteer military. |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. I'm not saying that veterans haven't earned benefits, I'm saying that a job isn't a benefit. The bump is 5 or 10 points... how many points does an average candidate accrue? |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. Good compensation is whatever the market will bear. Since there's no real shortage of qualified candidates for the Infantry PFC role at the moment, compensation doesn't need to be that high. Fair/unfair, what you 'deserve', none of that enters into the equation. How many people are willing to do the task, how many people do we need to do the task, how many people do we want to do the task. Those are the only variables that matter. The military is not part of the free market. Those portions of the free market which are preforming the closest comparable job pay over $100,000 per year. I can tell you have never been a combat infantryman. We have no draft, the labor market is quite free. It is a volunteer military. Excellent who wants to join my mercenary Infantry battalion? Where do I bid on US Government jobs? |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. Good compensation is whatever the market will bear. Since there's no real shortage of qualified candidates for the Infantry PFC role at the moment, compensation doesn't need to be that high. Fair/unfair, what you 'deserve', none of that enters into the equation. How many people are willing to do the task, how many people do we need to do the task, how many people do we want to do the task. Those are the only variables that matter. The military is not part of the free market. Those portions of the free market which are preforming the closest comparable job pay over $100,000 per year. I can tell you have never been a combat infantryman. We have no draft, the labor market is quite free. It is a volunteer military. Excellent who wants to join my mercenary Infantry battalion? Where do I bid on US Government jobs? That combat infantryman job is part of the larger 'unskilled labor' job market. That's what the US government is competing with. Edit: Examples include restaurant staff, cleaning staff, loaders, telemarketing, and low-level rent-a-cops. This isn't meant to be demeaning to soldiers. Obviously those who join are taught skills during their time in service. |
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I agree with Veterans preference and think it's a nice way of saying thank you. On another note, it really is beneficial for employers to have veterans utilize the preference points. Generally speaking, military service members have a strong work ethic, are disciplined, respectful, and cost less to mold into a perfect employee. Furthermore, the military instills a lot of old style character that is lacking in modern parenthood. Granted, not everyone is a perfect test taker, but being able to use the points and pick out a worthwhile candidate is good for business and the service member. I think it is important to point out that it isn't a way to say thank you. Rather it is a EARNED benefit which is part of compensation the government pays you for your services. Remember many junior and not so junior enlisted members are receiving less than minimum wage when you look at hours "worked". If the military isn't getting good enough compensation, then we should increase their compensation. Jobs exist because a task needs doing, not because a person needs compensation. Another person that doesn't understand what Veterans preference actually is. What is a good compensation package for a Infantry PFC humping the Hindu Kush closing with and destroying the enemies of our country 7 days a week for a year? Because I can tell you that "comparable" private government security contractors in Afghanistan are making six figures plus. Offering a combat veteran a slight bump over a closely qualified candidate doesn't seem like unfair compensation to me. Good compensation is whatever the market will bear. Since there's no real shortage of qualified candidates for the Infantry PFC role at the moment, compensation doesn't need to be that high. Fair/unfair, what you 'deserve', none of that enters into the equation. How many people are willing to do the task, how many people do we need to do the task, how many people do we want to do the task. Those are the only variables that matter. The military is not part of the free market. Those portions of the free market which are preforming the closest comparable job pay over $100,000 per year. I can tell you have never been a combat infantryman. We have no draft, the labor market is quite free. It is a volunteer military. Excellent who wants to join my mercenary Infantry battalion? Where do I bid on US Government jobs? That combat infantryman job is part of the larger 'unskilled labor' job market. That's what the US government is competing with. Edit: Examples include restaurant staff, cleaning staff, loaders, telemarketing, and low-level rent-a-cops. This isn't meant to be demeaning to soldiers. Obviously those who join are taught skills during their time in service. And the pay for soldiers with their benefits is pretty damn good compared to the 'unskilled labor' job market which you reference ( and is correct I might add ) |
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We have no draft, the labor market is quite free. It is a volunteer military. Excellent who wants to join my mercenary Infantry battalion? Where do I bid on US Government jobs? That combat infantryman job is part of the larger 'unskilled labor' job market. That's what the US government is competing with. Edit: Examples include restaurant staff, cleaning staff, loaders, telemarketing, and low-level rent-a-cops. This isn't meant to be demeaning to soldiers. Obviously those who join are taught skills during their time in service. And the pay for soldiers with their benefits is pretty damn good compared to the 'unskilled labor' job market which you reference ( and is correct I might add ) Restricting freedoms and requiring 4-8 years of mandatory employment tend to require additional compensation. |
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So, do you only get Veteran's Credits if you were shot at?Tell that fucking moran that when a person enlists in the military, they are writing a blank check to their country...for ANY amount up to and including their life. If he doesn't change his mind....slap him for me. Please, please, please... don't think that I'm trying to be a dick. However... in cases like this, I think that we really need to be specific where we draw the line.
The State of Florida only assigns Veterans Preference if you've served during a time of conflict (declared war perhaps). Even though I have a NDSM, my service falls outside of the time frames the State is currently using. So even though I'm a Veteran, I get no preference. With that said, I was never in combat, so I'm cool with that. |
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I disagree with Veterans points being applied evenly across the board. Some "veterans" are not the same as others. I believe that applying for a job similar to your MOS should get more points simply because it could be translated into previous experience. Conversely a person who has had no experience within a job field should not get a edge over someone who has simply because he completed 2 years plus AIT. What bothers me the most is hearing some 280lbs guy complaining because they didn't get their points on an LE job they applied for because they "got dicked out of their 5" and were 7 year E4s. Never mind the fact that he wears nothing but tucked in 7.62Design shirts and jean shorts and an exposed empty holster 7 days a week, was enlisted from 94-00, in finance, but some how manages to work in how he was in Korea in every social conversation, never completed College, after 8 1/2 years. |
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Quoted: I just applied for a Federal job and I consider my 10-point preference for being a disabled, combat vet a benefit for allowing the government to break down my body for eight years. I figure that me and my fellow disabled vets deserve a little extra preference for making the sacrifices we made while our contemoraries were drinking beer and chasing sorostitutes around campus. Some of us might have been busting our balls working 60 hours a week and going to night school to learn a trade. We might have even worked for a DOD contractor. Hope the military will enjoy chucking spears and rocks in the next major war, cause there will damn sure be a shortage of machinists and I will be out of the trade by then.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: I think all forms of hiring preference are anti-capitalist. I also think anyone who doesn't use them to their advantage is an idiot. I have the utmost respect and admiration for our military, and I can agree with you on both points. Damn, how did I miss that post? +2 |