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Posted: 5/6/2002 4:56:27 PM EDT
Going thru school I have realized that almost every teacher I have had has been pretty liberal now that I am in college it has gotton worse they now run there mouths about how bad republicans are which gets old. any ideas why they all flock to teaching?
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:01:36 PM EDT
Liberals are drawn to education. It's the type of person who starts out with idealistic fantasies of molding young peoples minds into full grown sheep. Also, teachers support political leaders who spend on (sometimes) silly or wastefull, feel good education programs.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:02:45 PM EDT
I always thought it was due to most teachers taking Arts degrees.... Artsies are ALWAYS liberals!
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:03:23 PM EDT
The best way to save humanity from ourselves is to influence the young. Forget personal responsibility, discipline, duty and honor. It's easier to teach ideals then to enforce responsibility for ones own actions.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:06:10 PM EDT
Because they are generally idealistic, well-meaning people, who are long on good ideas and short on common sense. Noticed that women tend to be more liberal on the whole, and teachers (at least HS and below) tend to be female??? Seriously, it is the theoretical, academic types that don't know jack about reality that disproportionately choose to become teachers. In respect to educators, I have encountered several HS, college, and graduate professors who are pro-2nd Amendment, but choose to keep a low profile, for fear of the higher-ups screwing them over. If I ever make enough money as a lawyer, I will teach either Constitutional Law or college American History, just to make up for the liberal shitheads that taught me those subjects.
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[size=4]Those who can think, do. Those who can't think, teach.[/size=4]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:09:45 PM EDT
Read the communist manifesto. You should know your enemy as well as yourself.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:09:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Ever hear about anybody flunking out of Ed., and going into Engineering? Me neither.
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LOL - Very, very well said!! You make a good point in your post about their GPA's and SAT's, that'll be some good ammo . . .
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:17:30 PM EDT
Because they feed at the government trough. My sister teaches first grade and is rather conservative. She told me she's afraid to express her opinions at work because she would be ostracized. I would add that this is in a community that is generally very conservative. I thought liberals supported freedom of speech. (Oh, that's right: only if your speech agrees with their speech.)
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:19:55 PM EDT
It's easy to preach from the ivory tower of academia. It takes balls to make it in the real world. ARH
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:23:40 PM EDT
You're in college? Take economics courses for electives. It's a refreshing change from the usual BS.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:33:37 PM EDT
It is seldom smart to cast stones when you live in a glass house. I am a teacher. Everyone of you keyboard geniuses are reading this because of some low SAT, flunked out of Engineering, "can't think, so they teach", liberal, commie facist, gubmint trough feeder. Before you decide you are a superior human being, I recommend you spend a month teaching a middle school class to fragment a sentence, or a high school class on American History. You will feel soooo very superior when an entire class of minors rolls their collective eyes at you when you ask them to "Please, sit down and be quiet." Come back here and tell me what a cushy job it is after you have done it for a year. The majority (that's right, the majority) of teachers QUIT after the first year because the job is too tough. If you are reading this, then thank a teacher, mmm-kay? [/rant off] Teachers TEND to be liberal because they are idealistic. Most of us feel we really can make a difference in a child's life. With a little effort, most of us actually achieve that noble goal. I am not always proud of my own accomplishments, but I am ALWAYS proud of the accomplishments of my former students. Nothing will make your heart swell with pride faster than a young adult coming to you one day and telling you "You changed my life, thank you for caring." TheRedGoat
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:35:54 PM EDT
Generally, it's because of where they were...what they did...and when they did it. To clarify: Most college profs are about my age...Boomers who dodged the draft with their college deferments, protested the war in Vietnam, filled up their class schedules with social science and teaching credential classes, smoked a lot of weed and got laid a lot. The profs and teachers of today are the products of the teachings of the communist/socialist/beats that populated the college campi during the '50s. They are idealistic young things without a pragmatic, realist, capitalistic bone in their bodies. Great readers of Marx, Rousseau, Kinsey, Nietzsche, Kerouac and Ginsberg, these super libs wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and beat them over the head. They don't have real jobs, making money...so they don't understand the dynamics of a capitalist society. They think they do...because they rationalize their professions as a 'job' but it really isn't. It is labor of a sort...but not really a job...but they only theorize on that too. Mostly they just go through life 'feeling' about this and that. Not that teaching isn't important. I did it for a while...and hope to return one day at the college level...but only after I make all the money I need (See...there I go...with my greedy capitalist attitude again!). That may preclude my returning to the podium to teach...but if so...then so be it. Now...how to deal with the liberal teachers: First, learn everything you possibly can about a subject. Know your stuff cold. Read alternative sources, not necessarily offered by the profs. Knowledge is power...go get both. Prepare your arguments carefully. Be prepared to be attacked not just from the prof, who will probably be polite and give you equal time, but more from your classmates, especially women, when you tread on a sacred cow, hot button issue they hold dear. Remember, in their predisposed minds, you are already a "whitemaleracistbigothomophobeabuser" so be careful. Again, have your s*#t in one sock and you'll do well. Don't fear them and don't give ground. Remember, they 'feel', they don't usually 'think' and reason with logic. That is a big advantage for you...if you are prepared. Good luck! From an Old Conservative. [soapbox]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:38:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: Ever hear about anybody flunking out of Ed., and going into Engineering? Me neither.
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No, wise guy, but I have personally met Dozens (yes, dozens) of engineers who QUIT their job so that they could go into education and MAKE a difference in this world. I used to moonlight as a forklift driver, and I have many friends who are Teamsters. Each time they find out I am a teacher, I receive a handshake and a story about a teacher that helped them become the man/woman they are today. How many engineers get the same respect? TheRedGoat
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:49:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: It is seldom smart to cast stones when you live in a glass house. I am a teacher. Everyone of you keyboard geniuses are reading this because of some low SAT, flunked out of Engineering, "can't think, so they teach", liberal, commie facist, gubmint trough feeder. Before you decide you are a superior human being, I recommend you spend a month teaching a middle school class to fragment a sentence, or a high school class on American History. You will feel soooo very superior when an entire class of minors rolls their collective eyes at you when you ask them to "Please, sit down and be quiet." Come back here and tell me what a cushy job it is after you have done it for a year. The majority (that's right, the majority) of teachers QUIT after the first year because the job is too tough. If you are reading this, then thank a teacher, mmm-kay? [/rant off] Teachers TEND to be liberal because they are idealistic. Most of us feel we really can make a difference in a child's life. With a little effort, most of us actually achieve that noble goal. I am not always proud of my own accomplishments, but I am ALWAYS proud of the accomplishments of my former students. Nothing will make your heart swell with pride faster than a young adult coming to you one day and telling you "You changed my life, thank you for caring." TheRedGoat
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Goat, There's always an exception to the rule. No way could I do what you do. I briefly considered it after retiring from the service but my missus convinced me I'd end up killing one of the little monsters. Only way I'm ever teaching again is if the students are adult, paying customers. They tend to pay more attention and give you lots less grief. Well done anyway. You have my admiration, tempered with a bit of wonderment. Why chase ghosts? Do you really get that many students who come back and say, "Thanks"? Hang in there.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:57:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1911greg: any ideas why they all flock to teaching?
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That's like asking whhat the square root of a million is. No one will ever know.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:57:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: It is seldom smart to cast stones when you live in a glass house. I am a teacher. Everyone of you keyboard geniuses are reading this because of some low SAT, flunked out of Engineering, "can't think, so they teach", liberal, commie facist, gubmint trough feeder. ...
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You are correct. I'm sorry if I painted with a broad brush, but almost nothing applies 100%. If the shoe doesn't fit, please don't wear it. There are many good teachers. I also know that teaching grade/middle/high school is not easy. And just because someone is a liberal doesn't mean they don't have other good qualities as well. However, the fact remains that [i]most[/i] of those in public (and this going to shoot my argument all to pieces) and [i]private[/i] schools are liberals. Ouch.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:01:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:04:21 PM EDT
I turned down full engineering scholarships to pay my way to be a teacher. I owe no money to student loans. I am a carpenter, mechanic, artist, I hunt, collect and shoot guns. I write my public officials, not email. Uncle killed at pearl harbor. Grandfather joined Navy at 14 and engineer with the SeaBees. Other Grandfather a Master Mechanic with the 8th Air Force while in England. Father a Master Welder and Journeyman Pipe Fitter. Brother about to be a Journeyman Electrician. I was raised right and extremely technical. I can fix most machines that would give you a headache to comprehend. Have an extensive bacground in Hydraulics. I build street race cars when time and money allows. Working on a 71 Vette right now and trying to get permission to bring an engine in for Physics class. I can teach anything in a high school science building, including but not limited to - Physics, Chemistry, Anatomy, Biology, Earth Science..... Currently teaching Chemistry and slated to teach Physics, Physical Science and Earth Science. My biggest problem is trying to make students think. Biggest problem with public education, Elementary and Middle Schools (administration, not teachers) passing students with 5 "F"'s. When teachers fail kids, counselors and principles pass them anyway. Then they expect high school teachers to sort them out. This argument is the same as the argument over police officers. Its always made by money hungry people who are afraid to grab their balls and make a difference. By the way, I frequent AR15.com and contemplating membership. No I didnt spell check because I was mad. Brandon
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:08:44 PM EDT
Meant to add: First year teacher. They already shake my hand. Already signed to teach second year. I put pro gun quotes from the founding fathers on my board. Thanks to the ones who apologized for the wide brush:) Brandon
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:12:13 PM EDT
I do not paint with a wide brush, but after having worked for the schools in Texas for 5 years, I met quite a few socialist teachers.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:15:38 PM EDT
My wife is a teacher and we have been married for 30 years. She is very right wing and conservative. Over the years we have been friends with hundreds (if not over a thousand)fellow faculty members. At least 80% I would have thought to be conservative. Of course we lived in Central Florida and Eastern Washington. Both conservative strongholds. There is nothing in my wife's education or upbringing that predispose her to be liberal. She is smarter than me and I have a Master's degree in Engineering. I think your premise stinks. I side with TheRedGoat. My wife teaches because she likes it. Not because she is a dumbass liberal commie.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:23:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRedGoat: Everyone of you keyboard geniuses are reading this because of some low SAT, flunked out of Engineering, "can't think, so they teach", liberal, commie facist, gubmint trough feeder.
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Goat, Not going to touch the rest of your rant (I agree with most of it) but the above is NOT true. I can only recall ONE single teacher that actually helped develop my reading ability--and by the time I got to her (4th grade) I was already reading well beyond my age group--in fact, the first book she ever gave me to read was 1984 (I remember quite well, since it was 1983 at the time.) I still chuckle when I think about a Catholic nun giving me Orwell to read--I can't quite put my finger on why, but that strikes me as odd. I daresay there are also some here who were homeschooled. So no, not EVERYONE of us is reading this thanks to a teacher--but we still thank those like you for their efforts. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:34:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:
Originally Posted By 1911greg: any ideas why they all flock to teaching?
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That's like asking whhat the square root of a million is. No one will ever know.
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Umm...1000. [;D]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:38:58 PM EDT
A local conservative talk show host here in the Milwaukee area coined a great phrase for teachers, calling them "EDUCRATS"
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:55:57 PM EDT
The problems I have with the schools are that they are not teaching the knowledge required to create a person who can think, plan, has no idea what economics is and that all money come from the government. Recently a school here erected a "peace Pole" -- it looked like a may pole, see where that one comes from. The students are not taught history, government, geography and they are not able to do word problems in math. Many have such basic deficiencies in reading that they could not possibly make head or tails out of any book. And this is not the teacher?s fault. The circulium comes from one of 2 places and the first is Santa Barbara, and I don't have the name of the company and the second is the NEA. Administrative costs are out of line and there should be no reason for teachers to have to buy supplies out of their own pocket. You can cut a third to half of the administration and not affect the students ability to learn. The cafeterias serve donuts, corndogs and nachos and other such healthy food that I wonder if any kid can learn with that junk floating around in him. Schools can do better, and they will have to do better or they will be out of work. Sylvan learning centers are in business because the schools are not only letting this country for their own political agenda and political correctness, that they fail to see the larger consequences of their actions. These include loss of initiative in people to look for problems and figure out a way to solve them that does not require the government. The substandard schools cause a loss of living standard because they will not and fail to teach the basics. If sylvan can raise class scores then so can the teachers but something is stopping them. The roadblock is obvious.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:58:17 PM EDT
The problems I have with the schools are that they are not teaching the knowledge required to create a person who can think, plan, has no idea what economics is and that all money come from the government. Recently a school here erected a "peace Pole" -- it looked like a may pole, see where that one comes from. The students are not taught history, government, geography and they are not able to do word problems in math. Many have such basic deficiencies in reading that they could not possibly make head or tails out of any book. And this is not the teacher?s fault. The circulium comes from one of 2 places and the first is Santa Barbara, and I don't have the name of the company and the second is the NEA. Administrative costs are out of line and there should be no reason for teachers to have to buy supplies out of their own pocket. You can cut a third to half of the administration and not affect the students ability to learn. The cafeterias serve donuts, corndogs and nachos and other such healthy food that I wonder if any kid can learn with that junk floating around in him. Schools can do better, and they will have to do better or they will be out of work. Sylvan learning centers are in business because the schools are not only letting this country for their own political agenda and political correctness, that they fail to see the larger consequences of their actions. These include loss of initiative in people to look for problems and figure out a way to solve them that does not require the government. The substandard schools cause a loss of living standard because they will not and fail to teach the basics. If sylvan can raise class scores then so can the teachers but something is stopping them. The roadblock is obvious.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:58:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ChuckT: Because they feed at the government trough. My sister teaches first grade and is rather conservative. She told me she's afraid to express her opinions at work because she would be ostracized. I would add that this is in a community that is generally very conservative. I thought liberals supported freedom of speech. (Oh, that's right: only if your speech agrees with their speech.)
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She so right. I few years back I help get rid of St. Senator David Roberti, he was the principal sponsor of the '89 Roberti/Roos Assault Weapons ban. I met a teacher who used to work for LAUSD(L.A. Unified School Dist), and he said was pushed out of the school because of his pro-gun views. My child's 2nd grade teacher is a conservative, and it suprised me. She is a excellent teacher.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:03:51 PM EDT
To TheRedGoat and keeptryin I am sorry if I offended you. I should have been more specific in my post. My feelings are a result of recent personal experiences with college professors and should not include all teachers. I hope you will accept my apology. ARH
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Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:38:39 PM EDT
raven - the square root of one million is one thousand... did you mean the square root of pi? MRW- altruism can be taught without Paulianity... there are any number of religions with the same core of beliefs. You've lost the battle as soon as you insist on making it a Christian (with a capital "C") issue. What you probably can succeed with is an ethical / responsible framework, which includes consequences, under local control. Then again, you probably aren't open to discussion...
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:48:16 PM EDT
All teachers are liberals because... Any self respecting conservative would slap the snot out of the disrespectful little turds that pass for children today. Those that don't shape up would then be shot. Ms. or Mr. Liberal Teacher will just tell them it's OK to be _____ (fill in the blank with whatever problem they have), and blame their problems on somebody or something else. Just one man's opinion.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:51:37 PM EDT
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For the same reason that there are very few good teachers: generally the people who become educators are the ones who can't make it in the real world. There are a few dedicated people who choose to become educators because it is something they love, and they are the ones who become the good teachers. Liberals know that their ideas can't hold up in the real world so they try to avoid it. That's my hypothesis anyway. Edited to add:
originally by raf: IIRC, as a group, Ed. Majors have a graduating GPA lower than all but athletes. Even going in, their SAT scores are bottom tier. Ever hear about anybody flunking out of Ed., and going into Engineering? Me neither.
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More proof for my hypothesis.
originally by ar10er: Read the communist manifesto. You should know your enemy as well as yourself.
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Although there may be a few among the communist conspirators, I think you overestimate the intelligence of most teachers. To TheRedGoat, MRW, keeptryin, and any other of you folks that are teachers, you have my respect. You are probably among the few "good teachers" I mentioned. I should be more careful with my generalizations. I have an uncle currently teaching and my mom used to be a teacher until she started having kids! So by no means do I think badly of someone because he's a teacher. My feelings are largely due to the fact that I am a student at a large public university. I stick to things like math, physics, and computer science as much as possible because it's hard to teach those with a communist slant.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 8:22:02 PM EDT
I go to public hi skool. It is fuun. We get to right wif crayons! Is hard to stay in tha lions. Middle school was truly funny. I had a math teacher of some sort, pre-algebra type stuff IIRC, who really sucked. I could do math better than that stupid woman. Towards the end of the year we raced doing math problems on the board and IIRC I beat her like 5 out of 6. Anywho, as far as political bias goes most of my teachers have been okay. Living in South Carolina for most of my school career and here in SD for my Junior year (so far) has probably helped. Some are blatantly liberal in some way but most try to appear neutral. I have had teachers in both locations who liked to hunt, pro-rkba, even shot with one at the range. You just have to be smart enough to form your own damned opinions and recognize liberal crap when you hear it. I might be a bit smarter than your average high schooler though... As far as grades and standardized tests (ACT, SAT, etc.)
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 8:28:47 PM EDT
The "square root of a million" comment was a joke. Sarcasm never carries over well on the internet, I am finally noticing.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 8:56:24 PM EDT
Most teachers are liberal because that is how they are taught. One of my credentialing classes was titled: Voice, Diversity, Equity, and Social Justice. No Shit. Here't the link to prove it: [url]www.chapman.edu/univcoll/ac/057/term3g/Education.html[/url] Most people don't have the drive to think enough to be conservative. The liberals play a good theoretical game, and definitely have the propoganda on their side, so it takes some guts to go against them. Most teachers don't have the guts. Or more accurately, most have been so lost in the propoganda war, they don't even think about it. Hell, my wife was an NPR listening liberal Berkeley grad when we met. She just went with what she was told. Now that realities of life and dealing with govt. (taxes, zoning, etc.)are starting to affect her she is coming around the the conservative side. Teachers live in this la la land of govt. funding (or lack thereof dep. on district) and living on the govt. dole so why would they fight it. Plus everything they hear in school and from the union is liberal so they just go with the flow. There is a lot of peer pressure and admin pressure for a teacher. Why fight it? I teach special ed because I can't teach what they MAKE you teach in regular elementary school. My kids work on controling their behaviors and basic communication and life skills. Don't have to worry about the esoterics of politics.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 9:31:49 PM EDT
From personal experience I had more bad teachers than good ones. Only two or three had any common sense and a couple more who had a decent understanding of their subject matter. When my daughter went through school it was far worse. Too much teacher education is about "education courses" and too little about the subject matter. Within the "education" courses is buried all manner of PC crap, homo acceptance and other drivel. My X wife was a teacher and was the perfect example of all of the bad things we hear on the subject!! To be fair, I had a couple teachers who were competent to the max and saved me from the total disaster of ones before. I did not learn to read until third grade. 1st grade teacher was the first to experiment with the failed "sight reading" concept now repackaged as "whole language". Still a failure but they insist on trying again! Some of my classmates NEVER learned to read because of this moron. Some of us who got a lady with a heart of gold and a fist of iron for 3rd grade. She decided we would learn to read above all else and in spite of an administration that wanted to cover up the whole mess; we got a second chance. My spelling still suffers a little but I comprehend very well and overcame the damage. My local district is heavily infested. Whole Language, low scores, social promotion, everything about sports. Seems impossible to change. Elect a new board member and they become exactly like their predessor within a week. Mention anything about standards that might negatively affect sports and the discussion ends. Until sports become a donation paid program 100% on after school time there is no hope.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 9:34:35 PM EDT
Ratters - teaching Spec. Ed. takes a very special kind of person... bless you! I think it was Churchill who said "If you are not a liberal by the time you are twenty, you have no heart; if you are not a conservative by the time you are forty, you have no brain." Unfortunately, it is experience which convinces us that theory doesn't translate to reality without some major alteration. It is my experience that most teachers WANT to believe in the liberal utopia so much, that it takes a longer time for experience to catch them up.
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The best public school teachers I had were the science teahcers. They seemed to be the most dedicated and the least political. Hell, around here, the teachers organize schoolkids to go demonstrate for - guess what - more money for teachers. I have mixed feelings about that. Often the ones who make the most noise about their salary are the ones who are the worst teachers. My kid's elementary school had a single teacher who insisted that the kids learn their math tables, the rest thought that was archaic. Same with phonetics - discredited, they said. Now when he is unsire of spellingg a word that he doesn't know, he can't figure it out. Same when he has to pronounce an unfamiliar word. When he started in Kindergarten, teachers were pretty high on my list. By the time he got to fifth grade, I was very disillusioned. When I was in college, I used to have some classes in the same building where the teaching credential program was centered. Now the ones who went on to be good teachers probably were not the ones I overheard. But the ones that were the most vocal were the most self-possessed, know-it-all, socialistic, windbags you'd ever find. Later, I was on a listserver for computers in education. There I met a large crowd, some of whom were very dedicated, but there I also met the worst examples. One refused to follow the most basic rules for capitalization, and got quite stubborn about it when her peers called her on it. Another bunch just plain didn't think spelling was important. I almost said couldn't spell, but actually most of her mispellings were because she knew the correct spelling, but didn't think it was that important, and she said so. I did some lower-level college instruciton myself, and know for a fact that it's a real challenge if you take pride in what you do. It's also very rewarding, and that can make all the prep time worth it. One semester I did a once-a-week guest appearance in a big-city 7th grade class. That guy had his hands full, let me tell you. Made Sister Mary Elephant's class sound like a breeze. So to the good, dedicated teachers, my hat is off to you - especially for having to deal with any sub-par colleagues.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 10:58:21 PM EDT
Certainly, most teachers are "liberal" (i.e., left wing). A number of posters here did a good job of pointing out the reasons why. However, I have met some teachers who are real exceptions. One teacher I know is an officier in my gun club. He is big into High Power and long range shooting, and he was a Recon Marine in Vietnam.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 11:27:43 PM EDT
I took a U.S. history class and the professor was not only a flaming liberal, but was also running for state rep. When the Vietnam conflict came up she stated as "fact" that the VC never really tortured POWs. A womenz in the class whose dad happened to be one of those POWs disagreed. A shouting match broke out that ended with the womenz crying and the professor still in denial. I am glad that stupid ass lost the election.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 4:15:27 AM EDT
One might also consider that one of the strategies expounded by Fabian socialism was to get into the education establishment to form young minds. It all takes time. See more in "None Dare Call it Treason" and "None Dare Call it COnspiracy." Hard to find books (as an earlier poster said, liberals want free speech only so long as it agrees with theirs). Lots of other things explained in those books, too. Interestingly, Stalin said that, "Time is on our side." Guess he knew about that stuff, too.
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Originally Posted By Stormbringer: I always thought it was due to most teachers taking Arts degrees.... Artsies are ALWAYS liberals!
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Wrong. Dead wrong. My fiancé has a degree in fine arts. She also shoots with me (rather well, too), and is just as staunch of a libertarian as I am. the_reject
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 5:43:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: IIRC, as a group, Ed. Majors have a graduating GPA lower than all but athletes. Even going in, their SAT scores are bottom tier. Ever hear about anybody flunking out of Ed., and going into Engineering? Me neither.
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As it happens, I am a high school teacher and since one of the subjects I teach is Biology II-Comparative Anatomy, I'd like to know from which of your orifices you pulled this factoid. Unless you can supply some kind of documentation, I will be forced to conclude it was something an engineering major made up while he was sitting at home alone on another dateless Saturday night. No, wait, stereotyping engineering majors as pocket-protector wearing, completely without social skills, pasty geeks would be wrong wouldn't it? We don't do things like that here, especially the moderators, right?
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 5:47:48 AM EDT
because they went to SUNY New Paltz
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poor education/not terribly bright/saving the children/wanting to make a difference pick one. But, I could be wrong.... Edited to say, If the choice is "make a difference.." - They smoked too much weed
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:32:49 AM EDT
Damn, TheRedGoat is a teacher? After reading his hog hunting threads I thought he was just a maniac! [;)] Good teachers are all too rare, most of the ones I had (way back when, in the ancient days of the 1970s) spent too much time talking about the teacher's union and how they weren't paid enough. My biology teacher and my social studies teacher were good, and dedicated, and I thank them for their efforts. The other teachers were basically worthless, especially the math teacher, Spanish teacher and the humanities guy who was too hung up on earning his doctorate and using us as a guinea pigs for his thesis. If you wanna know how worthless *most* teachers are today, talk to a kid. Most of them don't know jack about anything, be it science, history, humanities, etc. Those that do learned these things in spite of the system. This is not necessarily an indictment of teachers but of the whole rotting system. Hang in there TheRedGoat, you are in an upward battle!
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:34:20 AM EDT
I am not a teacher, but my wife is. She is certainly conservative and teaches in a rural school with many other conservative teacher. She graduated with honors and one of the most intelligent people I know. Looking back on my schooling, I can honestly say most of my teachers were conservative and spent little time sharing their ideology. I would say most of the problems in schools can be traced to some of the asinine requirements coming from the higher ups in government. That, and the teacher ed. courses that teachers have to take in college.
Link Posted: 5/7/2002 6:34:36 AM EDT
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mr. W. That was an eloquent post! I found this and am going to read the book as soon as I finish the sprinkler & drip system in the back yard. [url]http://www.acton.org/research/libtrad/ames.html[/url] "...there will not be morals without justice; and though justice might possibly support a democracy... a democracy cannot possibly support justice." "In The Dangers of American Liberty can be found his most articulate and closely-reasoned political apologia. Published posthumously, his words prescribed the role of government to be the protection of property and the maintenance of social stability. Such requirements, he wrote, could not be fulfilled in a democracy because they are based on two fallacious assumptions: the sufficiency of political virtue and the existence of a constant public morality. Democratic politics requires an appeal to the passions and the simplicity of men, creating conditions under which despotism can reign. Fundamentally, private morality, not constitutions, establish and maintain political stability."
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