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Posted: 6/7/2017 3:02:00 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_tx:
Mark your calendars! Just found this on the House Oversight Committee's page: https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/fast-furious-six-years-later/ And I have meetings I can't get out of until 10am. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 8:30:30 AM EDT
[#2]
Bump as a reminder for morning hearings.
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Posted: 6/7/2017 8:32:12 AM EDT
[#3]
I should be near a PC when it gets started. Got a feeling that it will be all show.
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Posted: 6/7/2017 9:30:32 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
I should be near a PC when it gets started. Got a feeling that it will be all show. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 9:31:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2017 9:37:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: miker84]
[#6]
Chaffetz opening up by reviewing what has happened over the past 6 years.
Stephen Lynch(D-MA) sitting in for Cummings as ranking member. Lynch: Cummings has asked Sessions if he is asserting the same position on producing documents as Holder did. Lynch: DOJ declined to send anyone to testify and chose to decline Cummings' question on producing the requested documents. Lynch: DOJ has stated that they will ignore Congressional requests unless those requests come from committee chairmen. Chaffetz: Agreed with Lynch that this is a bad precedent. Grassley is up as a witness. Grassley: Opens by talking about how poorly whistleblowers are treated. Grassley: Drain the swamp doesn't just mean firing people, because presidents and congressmen come and go but the bureaucracy remains. Grassley: Describing how long it took DOJ to admit that they were running guns after denying and evading and ultimately asserting exec priv. Grassley: Talking about scope creep on exec priv Grassley: Terry family deserves a complete answer Chaffetz: Recess |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:13:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: miker84]
[#7]
Back from Recess.
Brian Terry's mom, Family spokesman Heyer, and Dodson at the witness table. Mrs Terry: The bullet that killed her son came for a gun that the govt gave the shooter. Committee needs to overturn Obama's exec priv. The taxes we pay give comfort to the people who killed her son. Mrs Terry: He died alone in the desert serving his country.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:26:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: miker84]
[#8]
Heyer is up. He's Brian Terry's cousin and retired Secret Service agent.
Heyer: Govt officials were trying to avoid political damage and cover up the murder. 2 guns at the scene came from F&F Heyer: Janet Napolitano and others chose not to inform family that the guns were F&F even though they knew Heyer: Terry family learned in 2011 from a reporter that the weapons were from F&F. DOJ still denied it Heyer: US Atty finally offered to meet with family after Dodson and Media began reporting. However he told them the guns came from a US gun store rather than F&F |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:34:27 AM EDT
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Heyer: DOJ told him that the FBI ballistics report showed that a different gun fired the fatal shots.
Heyer: Actual FBI report said the bullet was too mangled to know. Heyer: Calling out Lanny Breuer. Heyer: If DOJ had not kept the F&F program secret, CBP would have been better prepared to face rip crews. Heyer: In 2014 the lead FBI investigator told Heyer that ATF did not tell her the weapons came from F&F, she found out from media. Heyer: ATF Phoenix knew immediately that the weapons were from F&F Heyer: Dodson is still being persecuted by ATF while others who kept their mouths shut are being promoted. Heyer: Why is it still being covered up and did senior admin officials obstruct Congress. Heyer: Unseal the documents covered in the exec priv. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:39:58 AM EDT
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Dodson up
Dodson: Nearly 6 years ago he sat in this committee Dodson: Went from being an agent of the govt to being an enemy of the state. Dodson: There were 3 plots to have him arrested. He was surveilled. Transferred 11 times. Banned from some Fed buildings. Dodson: "contact with Dodson is detrimental to your career." Dodson: Believed he worked for a good agency until F&F Dodson: Today he is an agent with no agency because he did what he thought was right. Dodson: Desire to today is to calm the seas for future whistleblowers and to help Terry family. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:44:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: miker84]
[#11]
Issa stated that even if the Trump admin ordered to release the documents covered by exec priv, it would still have to go through the court system for years because of a ruling by an Obama-appointed judge.
Needs to be a codified solution because this can happen again. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:46:03 AM EDT
[#12]
What if he just did it. What can they do?
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:52:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: shooter_tx]
[#13]
Rep. Gowdy is up.
Edit: Pretty much everyone whose face I saw had a slight smile/smirk when Rep. Gowdy concluded his time by offering some veeeery specific advice to Chmn. Chaffetz... including Chmn. Chaffetz. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:01:08 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_tx:
Rep. Gowdy is up. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:04:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: shooter_tx]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beach:
Love Gowdy but it'll be...BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK...NOTHINGBURGER... Also found it disturbing that Ranking Member Cummings was not there (for whatever reason), and that AG Sessions had declined the f'n invitation?! |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:05:23 AM EDT
[#16]
Where's Wiki, the Russians, and "Seth the deceased DNC leaker" when you need them. Maybe a new "player" will leak the information.
Hopefully Trump's WH legal team is researching a way to exercise his own executive privilege to release Obama's Fast and Furious documents which he held captive from the American pubic for all those years. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:11:38 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slack_out:
Hopefully Trump's WH legal team is researching a way to exercise his own executive privilege to release Obama's Fast and Furious documents which he held captive from the American pubic for all those years. What I've been trying to find out for the last few months is how many documents were still being covered by Obama's original EP claim. If Chmn. Chaffetz and/or Judicial Watch are to be believed (and I think that they are), it's more than zero. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:30:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: shooter_tx]
[#18]
Rep. Russell (who seems like a bad ass,* by the way) likened the operation to 'planting a gun at a crime scene'... to effect a particular outcome. Great analogy.
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Russell_(politician)#Military_career |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:39:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: shooter_tx]
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Did Vice-Chair Palmer just claim that the weapon used to kill Agent Zapata wasn't a Fast & Furious gun?
But that it was linked to another, similar operation? Right before he recognized Rep. DeSaulnier. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:48:33 AM EDT
[#20]
So far zero participants in Fast and Furious are charged . The whole thing is corrupt.
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Posted: 6/7/2017 12:57:17 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz:
So far zero participants in Fast and Furious are charged . The whole thing is corrupt. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 1:53:01 PM EDT
[#22]
Six years, a new congress and president later, and we still don't have answers
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Posted: 6/7/2017 8:20:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bajagringo:
Do you need some funding to help out with this? |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 8:32:34 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
i'm not soliciting funding for any projects. I wanted to wait a bit to see if state would provide the documents. /backtoreality/ they haven't yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By bajagringo:
Do you need some funding to help out with this? about F&F comes out. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:23:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broadrunarms:
And none will be Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broadrunarms:
Originally Posted By whiskerz:
So far zero participants in Fast and Furious are charged . The whole thing is corrupt. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:32:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shooter_tx]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz:
So far zero participants in Fast and Furious are charged . The whole thing is corrupt. Without Personal Consequences, Oversight Fast and Furious Report Brings No One Closer to Justice |
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Posted: 6/8/2017 12:09:20 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_tx:
Did Vice-Chair Palmer just claim that the weapon used to kill Agent Zapata wasn't a Fast & Furious gun? But that it was linked to another, similar operation? Right before he recognized Rep. DeSaulnier. Operation Fast & Furious was in the Arizona area. Operation Castaway (supposedly smaller than Fast & Furious) was in Florida. There was mention of an operation in Texas, with an indication that it was larger than Fast & Furious, but the name was not given. There was also a Texas newspaper story about a "security consultant" claiming that an airport in south-west Texas was being used as a staging area to ship guns, body armor, night vision gear, and other equipment to cartels south of the border. There was mention of an operation in states that neighbor Illinois, but set up to let guns go to Chicago gangs, instead of cartels south of the border. Who knows what we haven't heard mentioned, yet. |
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Posted: 6/9/2017 4:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN:
As I recall from what information has been let out over the years, Operation Fast & Furious was in the Arizona area. Operation Castaway (supposedly smaller than Fast & Furious) was in Florida. There was mention of an operation in Texas, with an indication that it was larger than Fast & Furious, but the name was not given. There was also a Texas newspaper story about a "security consultant" claiming that an airport in south-west Texas was being used as a staging area to ship guns, body armor, night vision gear, and other equipment to cartels south of the border. There was mention of an operation in states that neighbor Illinois, but set up to let guns go to Chicago gangs, instead of cartels south of the border. Who knows what we haven't heard mentioned, yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN:
Originally Posted By shooter_tx:
Did Vice-Chair Palmer just claim that the weapon used to kill Agent Zapata wasn't a Fast & Furious gun? But that it was linked to another, similar operation? Right before he recognized Rep. DeSaulnier. Operation Fast & Furious was in the Arizona area. Operation Castaway (supposedly smaller than Fast & Furious) was in Florida. There was mention of an operation in Texas, with an indication that it was larger than Fast & Furious, but the name was not given. There was also a Texas newspaper story about a "security consultant" claiming that an airport in south-west Texas was being used as a staging area to ship guns, body armor, night vision gear, and other equipment to cartels south of the border. There was mention of an operation in states that neighbor Illinois, but set up to let guns go to Chicago gangs, instead of cartels south of the border. Who knows what we haven't heard mentioned, yet. Gunwalking, just slightly different. There was also some prisoner - I think from Illinois and that was one of the IL connections - who claimed the ATF was working to leverage one cartel against another. Nothing really came of that, either, but it could've been a fabrication by an inmate. |
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Posted: 6/9/2017 10:37:19 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sirveaux:
There was also some prisoner - I think from Illinois and that was one of the IL connections - who claimed the ATF was working to leverage one cartel against another. Nothing really came of that, either, but it could've been a fabrication by an inmate. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:40:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: shooter_tx]
[#30]
A bit of an update...
Lawsuit Filed Against State Department for Ignoring Fast and Furious Freedom of Information Act Request
https://www.oathkeepers.org/lawsuit-filed-state-department-ignoring-fast-furious-freedom-information-act-request/ “Today we filed suit against the Department of State on behalf of Kent Terry and David Codrea,” Stamboulieh Law, PLLC announced Sunday. The complaint was filed due to State’s inaction on complying with a Freedom of Information Act Request submitted in June, 2016 seeking information on correspondence, documents and the like pertaining to Operation Fast and Furious “gunwalking” and State Department interactions with the government of Mexico. There are multiple reasons for filing the request, AmmoLand Shooting Sports News reported when the FOIA (read it here) was filed, primarily because it explores an area that has been left largely unresolved by official inquiries from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General. Included in the concerns:
(more at link) |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 12:47:51 PM EDT
[#31]
6 years later.
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:04:08 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz:
So far zero participants in Fast and Furious are charged . The whole thing is corrupt. |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:30:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shooter_tx:
A bit of an update... |
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Posted: 8/9/2017 2:40:12 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
Issa stated that even if the Trump admin ordered to release the documents covered by exec priv, it would still have to go through the court system for years because of a ruling by an Obama-appointed judge. Needs to be a codified solution because this can happen again. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 7:11:39 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Maybe someone should "leak it". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By miker84:
Issa stated that even if the Trump admin ordered to release the documents covered by exec priv, it would still have to go through the court system for years because of a ruling by an Obama-appointed judge. Needs to be a codified solution because this can happen again. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 5:36:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Autumn is upon us and our Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican President, and Republican Supreme Court are still unable to find answers.
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Posted: 8/31/2017 6:59:49 AM EDT
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Unable, or unwilling?
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Posted: 8/31/2017 7:17:25 AM EDT
[#38]
Both the Republican Party and Democrat Party are the same. All are professional politicians protecting their iron ricebowls and wealth and power. They fleece us, steal from us, rule over us with an iron fist wrapped in a velvet glove, and have demonstrated time and time again that the swamp is massive and the deep state is darker than a blackhole.
Nothing will come of this. NOTHING Welcome to the Post Constitutional Banana Republic. |
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Posted: 8/31/2017 7:36:47 AM EDT
[#39]
Is this like the Riger Billboards on the barrel?
"If you use this gun in a crime, please wipe off your fingerprints and leave it at the scene. Thanks!, O'Bama" 
Considering the number of guns recovered, it's like they were told go forth, shoot someone and leave this as evidence. |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 5:48:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2017 10:00:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN:
As I recall from what information has been let out over the years, Operation Fast & Furious was in the Arizona area. Operation Castaway (supposedly smaller than Fast & Furious) was in Florida. There was mention of an operation in Texas, with an indication that it was larger than Fast & Furious, but the name was not given. There was also a Texas newspaper story about a "security consultant" claiming that an airport in south-west Texas was being used as a staging area to ship guns, body armor, night vision gear, and other equipment to cartels south of the border. There was mention of an operation in states that neighbor Illinois, but set up to let guns go to Chicago gangs, instead of cartels south of the border. Who knows what we haven't heard mentioned, yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN:
Originally Posted By shooter_tx:
Did Vice-Chair Palmer just claim that the weapon used to kill Agent Zapata wasn't a Fast & Furious gun? But that it was linked to another, similar operation? Right before he recognized Rep. DeSaulnier. Operation Fast & Furious was in the Arizona area. Operation Castaway (supposedly smaller than Fast & Furious) was in Florida. There was mention of an operation in Texas, with an indication that it was larger than Fast & Furious, but the name was not given. There was also a Texas newspaper story about a "security consultant" claiming that an airport in south-west Texas was being used as a staging area to ship guns, body armor, night vision gear, and other equipment to cartels south of the border. There was mention of an operation in states that neighbor Illinois, but set up to let guns go to Chicago gangs, instead of cartels south of the border. Who knows what we haven't heard mentioned, yet. Nothing is beyond the scope and scale of government. |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 11:36:13 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
And this surprises You? This is the same government that poisoned Americans during prohibition. Infected Black Americans with syphilis. Sprayed San Franscisco with Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii bacteria to see the results. Faked the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us in a war. Covered for Hillary Clinton. Etc.... Nothing is beyond the scope and scale of government. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Originally Posted By JPN:
Originally Posted By shooter_tx:
Did Vice-Chair Palmer just claim that the weapon used to kill Agent Zapata wasn't a Fast & Furious gun? But that it was linked to another, similar operation? Right before he recognized Rep. DeSaulnier. Operation Fast & Furious was in the Arizona area. Operation Castaway (supposedly smaller than Fast & Furious) was in Florida. There was mention of an operation in Texas, with an indication that it was larger than Fast & Furious, but the name was not given. There was also a Texas newspaper story about a "security consultant" claiming that an airport in south-west Texas was being used as a staging area to ship guns, body armor, night vision gear, and other equipment to cartels south of the border. There was mention of an operation in states that neighbor Illinois, but set up to let guns go to Chicago gangs, instead of cartels south of the border. Who knows what we haven't heard mentioned, yet. Nothing is beyond the scope and scale of government. |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 11:51:14 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miker84:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Eric-Holder-Inspired-U-S-Attorney-General-Drama-Series-In-Works-At-CBS/5-2037266/
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Posted: 10/3/2017 4:56:41 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars:
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Posted: 10/29/2017 2:59:58 PM EDT
[#45]
Was just watching a documentary on the Hell's Angels and then, at the 22 minute mark, former ATF agent Jay Dobyns talks about his cover when he infiltrated the Hell's Angels as being part of a gang that - wait for it - ran guns to Mexico.
 Failed To Load Title Same Jay Dobyns who had his house lit on fire by the Hell's Angels after trials, but the ATF insisted he did it himself. Guy's been retaliated against by both the Hell's Angels and the ATF. With friends like those, something something. |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 1:12:44 PM EDT
[#46]
We need a special prosecutor for Fast & Furious and any other gun-running program that purposely lets weapons into the hands of criminal enterprises, especially over our border.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 8:32:25 AM EDT
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State responded yesterday that they have approximately 300 responsive pages for the FOIA and still searching. What could they possibly have? Coming to me on 1/3/2018.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 8:39:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2017 8:41:13 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoloContendere:
State responded yesterday that they have approximately 300 responsive pages for the FOIA and still searching. What could they possibly have? Coming to me on 1/3/2018. 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:01:45 AM EDT
[#50]
Nolo do you think the FBI would even admit in a FOIA request to tracking gun related purchases or would they throw it under the national security umbrella and redact it?
http://www.wnem.com/story/36865115/police-fear-loophole-may-allow-spread-of-ghost-guns |
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