[ARCHIVED THREAD] - M9 question for vets (Page 1 of 7)
Posted: 1/24/2011 2:42:01 PM EDT
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its rare to see it used but i know a marine that dropped a suicide bomber with a 9mm round to the face so like anything its all about shot placement
id like to see an updated JHP round around 147 gr at a 20rd magazine standard or issued glock 21sf if we stick with FMJ. thats just me though the real issue like everything else is training, were still running tables of fire designed for the 1911, no one practices or trains draw strokes, tactical or emergency reloads, press checks etc. if they do its cuz someone in the unit is an ex cop or went to a class but there is no standard POI thats army wide. |
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When I was in Iraq, I saw a few BG's taken out with M9's. They all got dropped quick. Mostly because they got hit with an entire magazine. Gotta love CNS hits. How much more advantageous would HP's be? Probably a bit. But a mag dump COM with a bunch of CNS hits is going to work no matter what. I prefer the 88 magnum with DU jackets. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Not sure. My mags were so FUBAR that I only counted on having the round in the chamber. I was glad my life never depended on that POS and i never had to fire it in anger. +1 I was so happy to be carrying a glock again! A Glock would be a GOOD service pistol, and I am NOT a fan of the glock |
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Not sure. My mags were so FUBAR that I only counted on having the round in the chamber. I was glad my life never depended on that POS and i never had to fire it in anger. +1 I was so happy to be carrying a glock again! A Glock would be a GOOD service pistol, and I am NOT a fan of the glock That is why the Lithuanians that worked with us carried it. |
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Not sure. My mags were so FUBAR that I only counted on having the round in the chamber. I was glad my life never depended on that POS and i never had to fire it in anger. +1 I was so happy to be carrying a glock again! A Glock M&P 45would be a GOOD service pistol, and I am NOT a fan of the glock Fixt |
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Quoted: Quoted: And the M9 is a piece of shit and the sooner we are rid of it, the better we will be. The Beretta 92FS is a world class pistol. Anyone who disparages it is uninformed. The Military recently bought 450,000 more of them. Because the NATO standard is 9mm and it's just cheaper to buy more pistols than to go through the competition process and than get more guns. Here are the facts. The 1911 was in service since well before WW2. Compliants about the 1911 service pistol didn't really start coming until the Vietnam War. The M9 on the other hand was brought into service in 1990. I was in at 2002-2006. And they were all fucking pieces of shit, and they stove pipped fucking constantly. All kinds of issues with those pieces of shit. So here is the deal, you get a pistol which services almost 60 years without much of an issues (1911), and you get a fucking pistol that goes to shit alot sooner (m9). Fuck the M9, it's a piece of shit, nobody likes it. SF guys that get a choice, ditch their M9s to the armory and draw out their Sig 226s instead. |
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If you guys want to jump up to .40, there's already JHP and FMJ in the system.  Yeah I saw a SEAL shoot himself in the hand with his pretty Sig. Whoops! The only thing that would be more embarassing is if he wasn't wearing awesome sunglasses while he did it |
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I'm not going to comment on 9mm FMJ, other than I hate it. And the M9 is a piece of shit and the sooner we are rid of it, the better we will be. Wut? The FMJ thing is a Geneva Convention deal that's not likely to go away anytime soon. |
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It's not Beretta's fault the military buys out of spec aftermarket magazines.
I was glad my life never depended on that POS and i never had to fire it in anger. I spent almost $40 for a factory mag. The springs were so shit it rattled like tic tacs after a few hours of patrol. Additionally the mags would swell with 15 rounds in them, and I would not release the mag unless I used the slide to reduce the round count. Nothing like being at the front gate of a base ejecting rounds by hand. |
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Quoted: The 1911 was in service since well before WW2. Compliants about the 1911 service pistol didn't really start coming until the Vietnam War. Bullshit. Soldiers bitched about the M1911/A1 constantly. People bitch about everything. Quoted: The M9 on the other hand was brought into service in 1990. I was in at 2002-2006. And they were all fucking pieces of shit, and they stove pipped fucking constantly. All kinds of issues with those pieces of shit. 1985, and the majority of problems are due to aftermarket magazines. Quoted: Fuck the M9, it's a piece of shit, nobody likes it. SF guys that get a choice, ditch their M9s to the armory and draw out their Sig 226s instead. Are you SIG guys still mad about the Beretta beating the SIG in both military trials? |
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Quoted: I spent almost $40 for a factory mag. The springs were so shit it rattled like tic tacs after a few hours of patrol. Additionally the mags would swell with 15 rounds in them, and I would not release the mag unless I used the slide to reduce the round count. Nothing like being at the front gate of a base ejecting rounds by hand. I've never heard of anyone having these problems with genuine Beretta mags. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I spent almost $40 for a factory mag. The springs were so shit it rattled like tic tacs after a few hours of patrol. Additionally the mags would swell with 15 rounds in them, and I would not release the mag unless I used the slide to reduce the round count. Nothing like being at the front gate of a base ejecting rounds by hand. I've never heard of anyone having these problems with genuine Beretta mags. A good pistol doesn't need specially made magazines for it to function right. There are a ton of different magazines you can get for the AR, AK, ect ect. Don't see major issues with those weapons having to use a certian magazine. |
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I'm not going to comment on 9mm FMJ, other than I hate it.
And the M9 is a piece of shit and the sooner we are rid of it, the better we will be. Not a combat vet, but I did qualify on it and I echo this sentiment. Hated the DA/SA. Have since fallen in love with my XD45 
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Never had to use my M9 but I liked them since we replaced the most Gawd awful worn out POS 1911's ever known to the military. 1911 is great but the best accuracy you could hope for with these were to throw it at your target. .48 caliber smooth bores for the most part 
A sidearm is not an offensive weapon, it is defensive and almost your last choice. For this purpose the M9 does the job. You can certainly have choices you would prefer but for the basic standards, it gets the job done. |
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Quoted: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I'm not going to comment on 9mm FMJ, other than I hate it. And the M9 is a piece of shit and the sooner we are rid of it, the better we will be. Wut? The FMJ thing is a Geneva Convention deal that's not likely to go away anytime soon. It's the Hague, and I don't think we actually ratified it ourselves. |
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I spent almost $40 for a factory mag. The springs were so shit it rattled like tic tacs after a few hours of patrol. Additionally the mags would swell with 15 rounds in them, and I would not release the mag unless I used the slide to reduce the round count. Nothing like being at the front gate of a base ejecting rounds by hand. I've never heard of anyone having these problems with genuine Beretta mags. A good pistol doesn't need specially made magazines for it to function right. There are a ton of different magazines you can get for the AR, AK, ect ect. Don't see major issues with those weapons having to use a certian magazine. Sorry,but this is almost laughable. When a 1911 malfuntions "what magazine were you using?" is the number one question asked and as for AR's,if magazines were never an issue,there never would have been such pants wetting over things like non-tilt followers, HK mags,PMAGS etc etc etc. Just sayin'. |
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I have no issue with the M9 other than the ones we have are shot out and in need of a total overhaul. Fortunately, I don't have little bitch hands and I can shoot a pistol well. Otherwise, I'd be a hater too. 
ETA, my buddy is an 18B and loves the fuck out of his M9 |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent almost $40 for a factory mag. The springs were so shit it rattled like tic tacs after a few hours of patrol. Additionally the mags would swell with 15 rounds in them, and I would not release the mag unless I used the slide to reduce the round count. Nothing like being at the front gate of a base ejecting rounds by hand. I've never heard of anyone having these problems with genuine Beretta mags. A good pistol doesn't need specially made magazines for it to function right. There are a ton of different magazines you can get for the AR, AK, ect ect. Don't see major issues with those weapons having to use a certian magazine. Sorry,but this is almost laughable. When a 1911 malfuntions "what magazine were you using?" is the number one question asked and as for AR's,if magazines were never an issue,there never would have been such pants wetting over things like non-tilt followers, HK mags,PMAGS etc etc etc. Just sayin'. Regular ass USGI mags work just fine. It's the worn out bad ones that you need to destroy and not keep around. There are many different makers of AK and AK magazines, yet overall they work pretty decently. If you got a pistol that requires a certain brand of mags to function reliabily with even a newly minted magazine, that is pretty pathetic. |
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Quoted: A good pistol doesn't need specially made magazines for it to function right. There are a ton of different magazines you can get for the AR, AK, ect ect. Don't see major issues with those weapons having to use a certian magazine. More bullshit. Do you know nothing about 1911's? A major issue with them is magazines. Put a Scherer mag in a Glock and see what happens, or a mil issue Check-Mate mag in a Beretta. Magazines are the heart and soul of any repeating firearm that utilizes one. |
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I spent almost $40 for a factory mag. The springs were so shit it rattled like tic tacs after a few hours of patrol. Additionally the mags would swell with 15 rounds in them, and I would not release the mag unless I used the slide to reduce the round count. Nothing like being at the front gate of a base ejecting rounds by hand. I've never heard of anyone having these problems with genuine Beretta mags. So what is your experince with the M9 in combat then? |
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Quoted: The problem is that those mags are out of spec. The supplier Parkerized the interior of the body causing the follower to stick. If you got a pistol that requires a certain brand of mags to function reliabily with even a newly minted magazine, that is pretty pathetic. |
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The problem is that those mags are out of spec. The supplier Parkerized the interior of the body causing the follower to stick.
If you got a pistol that requires a certain brand of mags to function reliabily with even a newly minted magazine, that is pretty pathetic. sounds like a lame excuse, but im no expert. |
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Quoted: So what is your experince with the M9 in combat then? While I've never used one in combat, I own and use Beretta's and also enjoy leaning about them. There is a reason three of the worlds major militaries use them, not to mention an uncountable number of lesser nations. |
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Quoted: Quoted: So what is your experince with the M9 in combat then? While I've never used one in combat, I own and use Beretta's and also enjoy leaning about them. There is a reason three of the worlds major militaries use them, not to mention an uncountable number of lesser nations. Glock blows the M9 away as far as service use around the world goes It is kind of a sick joke that we made the Glock standard for the Iraqi security forces but we're using M9s |
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And the M9 is a piece of shit and the sooner we are rid of it, the better we will be. The Beretta 92FS is a world class pistol. Anyone who disparages it is uninformed. The Military recently bought 450,000 more of them. It's a pure bred italian turd. A better service pistol would be a BHP, Glock 17, or HK P30l. My pref is with the last two. Quoted:
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And the M9 is a piece of shit and the sooner we are rid of it, the better we will be. The Beretta 92FS is a world class pistol. Anyone who disparages it is uninformed. The Military recently bought 450,000 more of them. Because the NATO standard is 9mm and it's just cheaper to buy more pistols than to go through the competition process and than get more guns. Here are the facts. The 1911 was in service since well before WW2. Compliants about the 1911 service pistol didn't really start coming until the Vietnam War. The M9 on the other hand was brought into service in 1990. I was in at 2002-2006. And they were all fucking pieces of shit, and they stove pipped fucking constantly. All kinds of issues with those pieces of shit. So here is the deal, you get a pistol which services almost 60 years without much of an issues (1911), and you get a fucking pistol that goes to shit alot sooner (m9). Fuck the M9, it's a piece of shit, nobody likes it. SF guys that get a choice, ditch their M9s to the armory and draw out their Sig 226s instead. They also get nice things like HK45Cs too. 
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Probably gonna get flamed but I would love to see the USP45 or at least HK45 put into service. I'd rather have 12+1 rounds of 230gr .45 FMJ than 15 rounds of 9mm. How's that song go??? oh yeah "You can't always get, what you want" "You get what you need" well, sometimes |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem is that those mags are out of spec. The supplier Parkerized the interior of the body causing the follower to stick. If you got a pistol that requires a certain brand of mags to function reliabily with even a newly minted magazine, that is pretty pathetic. sounds like a lame excuse, but im no expert. Well, bad mags combined with the DOD as an institution knowing somewhere around fuck all about firearms maintenance and small arms in general. ETA: I'm fairly certain that the entire DOD is unaware that springs wear out and sometimes it is useful to replace them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I'm not going to comment on 9mm FMJ, other than I hate it. And the M9 is a piece of shit and the sooner we are rid of it, the better we will be. Wut? The FMJ thing is a Geneva Convention deal that's not likely to go away anytime soon. It's the Hague, and I don't think we actually ratified it ourselves. You are correct, but ratified or not FMJ ammo isn't going away anytime soon. |
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The problem is that those mags are out of spec. The supplier Parkerized the interior of the body causing the follower to stick.
If you got a pistol that requires a certain brand of mags to function reliabily with even a newly minted magazine, that is pretty pathetic. sounds like a lame excuse, but im no expert. Well, bad mags combined with the DOD as an institution knowing somewhere around fuck all about firearms maintenance and small arms in general. shitty mags are DEFINITELY a DOD issue, but what sounds odd is that the Park would cause a follower to hang up. ETA: this is just me *thinking out loud* on the forum... the only M9s I shot were one issued to a captain in Iraq, that fucking thing sucked ass and wouldnt run one mag without issues... and shot a pisto belonging to a unit that took me to the range as a thankyou, it worked great! |