[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How much is enough? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/26/2010 7:46:55 PM EDT
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If you were asleep and you woke up to a very suspicious thud, how much firepower would you take.
I understand a QRF would be nice, but how much do y'all think is necessary? Do you assume the worst (multiple armed BGs >respond with>armor, AR, multiple mags) or do you take something, like me, that will probably be enough (one not-so-bright burglar >respond with> G17 w/X300, one mag), or do you just go take a look because it probably wasn't anything serious? (maybe a flashlight) I just wondered because everyone poo-poos shotguns for HD (Low ammo capacity, bird shot ineffectiveness, racking the slide actually EMBOLDENS the perp, etc.) but doing so more or less says that you should plan for worst-case all the time. I probably would be more aggressive behind a shotgun (even with bird shot) than behind my Glock, even though the pistol is supposed to be more effective. So, how do you roll? |
| Are you in the mafia or a "wanted" man? I would just grab my pistol and flash light from nightstand and inspect cautiously. If the off chance someone put a hit on me and a small army of armed men enter then I guess I'll retreat back to my room for bigger weapons and armor LOL..... |
racking the slide actually EMBOLDENS the perp
People don't "poo-poo" shotguns that much; in fact, most will praise them as useful and reliable tools. They mostly make fun of the gun shop people who will tell you that racking the slide will scare the bad guys away, or the old fudd who uses birdshot to avoid over penetration. |
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What's a QRF? If I hear a thud in the middle of the night then I'm calling the cops and holing up in my bedroom with my AR. If someone comes in my bedroom then they'll get plugged before they make it through the door. Otherwise, let the police go get shot at, that's what they're paid for. |
the pistol is soposed to be more effective than the 12 guage? im missing somthing here. i keep a mossberg 590 with 9 rounds and an m9 bayonette by the bedside and whatever gun im carrying that day on the nightstand. if i just hear somthing and im going to check it out id grab the pistol, if i think shits about to start poppin off ill grab the 590
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Golf clubs and water nozzles is how I roll. at first I was then I was 
and in regards as to what's "grabbed", typically my P220 is the first thing, and depending on time and severity of the situation, both my 870 and 6920 are easily accessible. There are so many "what guns do you have, show me your guns, how many guns, etc..." threads lately. But yeah, . Both those guys died. And not from burglars.
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What's a QRF? If I hear a thud in the middle of the night then I'm calling the cops and holing up in my bedroom with my AR. If someone comes in my bedroom then they'll get plugged before they make it through the door. Otherwise, let the police go get shot at, that's what they're paid for. Quick Reaction Force. It is a military term for a combat unit that is ready to go and on stand-by in case another unit gets into some heat. |
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racking the slide actually EMBOLDENS the perp
People don't "poo-poo" shotguns that much; in fact, most will praise them as useful and reliable tools. They mostly make fun of the gun shop people who will tell you that racking the slide will scare the bad guys away, or the old fudd who uses birdshot to avoid over penetration. Which was partly my question. If, as a criminal, I broke into a house and I heard a shotgun rack in a room somewhere ahead of me, I'd GTFO. I don't have any experience so that's just an un-educated guess. I understand how, if you're home defense plan ends after B: Rack Shotgun, it would be a bad thing. If there were a non-shooter, I could see how racking the slide could fit into their escalation of force as three things are happening with that act. 1: They are steeling thier mind to harming/killing someone, whether intentionally or not, and 2: They are sending the message to anyone in the house that they are going to be confronted(hopefully without the intention to) and 3: They are loading the gun that they may have left unloaded for some measure of safety, real or perceived |
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What's a QRF? If I hear a thud in the middle of the night then I'm calling the cops and holing up in my bedroom with my AR. If someone comes in my bedroom then they'll get plugged before they make it through the door. Otherwise, let the police go get shot at, that's what they're paid for. Thats what they get paid for?? I thought they played Golf Bingo with delayed verbal commands? |
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racking the slide actually EMBOLDENS the perp
People don't "poo-poo" shotguns that much; in fact, most will praise them as useful and reliable tools. They mostly make fun of the gun shop people who will tell you that racking the slide will scare the bad guys away, or the old fudd who uses birdshot to avoid over penetration. Which was partly my question. If, as a criminal, I broke into a house and I heard a shotgun rack in a room somewhere ahead of me, I'd GTFO. I don't have any experience so that's just an un-educated guess. I understand how, if you're home defense plan ends after B: Rack Shotgun, it would be a bad thing. If there were a non-shooter, I could see how racking the slide could fit into their escalation of force as three things are happening with that act. 1: They are steeling thier mind to harming/killing someone, whether intentionally or not, and 2: They are sending the message to anyone in the house that they are going to be confronted(hopefully without the intention to) and 3: They are loading the gun that they may have left unloaded for some measure of safety, real or perceived I keep my 870 with the hammer down on an empty chamber, the safety off, and the tube full. This has nothing to do with the sound that racking a shotgun makes; I do it because I am left handed (which make safety operation more difficult), I haven't trained much with the safety on my 870, and I have people living below me (the shotgun is in a location were I keep the muzzle down). When I think I might need to investigate something, I grab the nightstand handgun (condition one). The shotgun sits there waiting for a time that I know someone is in my home. |
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racking the slide actually EMBOLDENS the perp
People don't "poo-poo" shotguns that much; in fact, most will praise them as useful and reliable tools. They mostly make fun of the gun shop people who will tell you that racking the slide will scare the bad guys away, or the old fudd who uses birdshot to avoid over penetration. Which was partly my question. If, as a criminal, I broke into a house and I heard a shotgun rack in a room somewhere ahead of me, I'd GTFO. I don't have any experience so that's just an un-educated guess. I understand how, if you're home defense plan ends after B: Rack Shotgun, it would be a bad thing. If there were a non-shooter, I could see how racking the slide could fit into their escalation of force as three things are happening with that act. 1: They are steeling thier mind to harming/killing someone, whether intentionally or not, and 2: They are sending the message to anyone in the house that they are going to be confronted(hopefully without the intention to) and 3: They are loading the gun that they may have left unloaded for some measure of safety, real or perceived I keep my 870 with the hammer down on an empty chamber, the safety off, and the tube full. This has nothing to do with the sound that racking a shotgun makes; I do it because I am left handed (which make safety operation more difficult), I haven't trained much with the safety on my 870, and I have people living below me (the shotgun is in a location were I keep the muzzle down). When I think I might need to investigate something, I grab the nightstand handgun (condition one). The shotgun sits there waiting for a time that I know someone is in my home. That makes sense. Do you take extra mags or do you plan on one mag being enough for what you find? Do you take a holster incase you find something has fallen and needs to to be picked up, but there is the possibility there is still someone in your house and you don't want to lay your handgun down? |
| 12 gauge with buckshot/slugs. My apartment building is two stories with the same floor plan for every place. All of the bedrooms are on one side, kitchens and living rooms on the other. If I were to shoot through the front wall there is a line of vehicles (mostly large pickup trucks) between me and the duplexes on the other side of the street. All of these buildings are brick. Boxers, 12 gauge, flashlight. If it's night time and I don't recognize it as something that is supposed to be there, BOOM! *rack slide* *prepare to shoot again* |
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racking the slide actually EMBOLDENS the perp
People don't "poo-poo" shotguns that much; in fact, most will praise them as useful and reliable tools. They mostly make fun of the gun shop people who will tell you that racking the slide will scare the bad guys away, or the old fudd who uses birdshot to avoid over penetration. Which was partly my question. If, as a criminal, I broke into a house and I heard a shotgun rack in a room somewhere ahead of me, I'd GTFO. I don't have any experience so that's just an un-educated guess. I understand how, if you're home defense plan ends after B: Rack Shotgun, it would be a bad thing. If there were a non-shooter, I could see how racking the slide could fit into their escalation of force as three things are happening with that act. 1: They are steeling thier mind to harming/killing someone, whether intentionally or not, and 2: They are sending the message to anyone in the house that they are going to be confronted(hopefully without the intention to) and 3: They are loading the gun that they may have left unloaded for some measure of safety, real or perceived I keep my 870 with the hammer down on an empty chamber, the safety off, and the tube full. This has nothing to do with the sound that racking a shotgun makes; I do it because I am left handed (which make safety operation more difficult), I haven't trained much with the safety on my 870, and I have people living below me (the shotgun is in a location were I keep the muzzle down). When I think I might need to investigate something, I grab the nightstand handgun (condition one). The shotgun sits there waiting for a time that I know someone is in my home. That makes sense. Do you take extra mags or do you plan on one mag being enough for what you find? Do you take a holster incase you find something has fallen and needs to to be picked up, but there is the possibility there is still someone in your house and you don't want to lay your handgun down? I only take the one mag that is in the gun. I can always retreat to the shotgun (or some other gun) There are plenty of places to set my gun down. I will not set my gun down if I think there might be someone else there. I keep it simple. I sleep in the nude so a holster will not do me a lot of good anyways. |
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Quoted: I just wondered because everyone poo-poos shotguns for HD Who does that? (Low ammo capacity, bird shot ineffectiveness, So don't load it with birdshot racking the slide actually EMBOLDENS Never heard that one, just scoffing that the sound will make huns flee in terror I don't have a shotgun as my go-to gun, but it certainly is not a bad choice. I use an AR because that is what I have trained with extensively. One mag & an Aimpoint. Plenty more mags in the bedroom. I probably would be more aggressive behind a shotgun (even with bird shot) than behind my Glock, even though the pistol is supposed to be more effective. I would not expect any pistol round to be more effective than a good 12 gauge round. Pistols are convenient to carry. |
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What's a QRF? If I hear a thud in the middle of the night then I'm calling the cops and holing up in my bedroom with my AR. If someone comes in my bedroom then they'll get plugged before they make it through the door. Otherwise, let the police go get shot at, that's what they're paid for. This IS the correct answer, except that I personally prefer the solution of fighting shotgun with heavy buckshot. closest thing to a claymore we can legally have. When you Absolutely want the fight stopped in the shortest possible time, then accept no subsitutiskis in place of the 12 with buckshot. (Birdshot not included) [Spinal Tap] It's a Twelve... It goes all the way to ten, and then it goes up two more [/Spinal Tap] |
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Glock 22 with X300. Specifically a nightstand gun. Have used it three times: All three times amounted to nothing I could find.
In the past, I've had shotguns by the side of the bed––and even had cause to pick it up once––but really? Too unwieldy with a maglite. If I had a better shotgun light, I might go back to a shotgun...but I'm not at war, and honestly, I like that with my nightstand drawer closed, a casual visitor in my house doesn't see anything but a maglite on my nightstand. I like having the hand free with the Glock. |
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If I hear a thud in the middle of the night then I'm calling the cops and holing up in my bedroom with my AR. If someone comes in my bedroom then they'll get plugged before they make it through the door. Otherwise, let the police go get shot at, that's what they're paid for. I have children that depend on me to watch out for them. I hear a noise at night, they're the first thing that gets checked––not waiting for cops. |
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887 nitro mag tactical
Frankenstick AR15 with 30rds of 55gr Glock 17 I like the shotgun but I prefer the ar because 55gr wont go though much starts to key hole after 1 wall. The glock stays in the bedroom. If you need more than 30rds you have some seirous problems. |
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My bedside gun is an AR w/ Hornady TAP and a STI 1911 w/ 8+1 of Hornady TAP as well.
My 120lb American Bulldog sleeps in the living room on the lookout so if anything makes it in the house they will have to deal with him first. Actually with this I figure most of my threats will be from outside which is why I keep the AR close by. If something is already inside I'm probably grabbing the 1911. Really just depends on the situation. |