Posted: 12/14/2010 10:17:14 AM EDT
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This guy pulls the BB's out of bird shot, melts it into slugs, and pushes them right back into the shotgun shell, and they are remarkably accurate at 33 yards.
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Can you think of that in Africa where they're illegal? Some people just jump to conclusions 
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Introduction by Steve: This is a guest post is written entirely by Y-Man. He has shown incredible ingenuity in a country that severely restricts the firearms and ammunition civilians can purchase. I have previously blogged about Y-Man’s exploits.
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Obviously you're not a golfer. The guy lives in Nigeria, the only ammunition it's legal to purchase is birdshot, and it's illegal to import gun parts or ammunition. Try hooked on phonics, it can work for you, too. |
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some coutries slugs are a no go. This is how they get around that. Yeah, I have seen some of this guy's other work. He is in a country where he feels the need to defend himself but has limited options. He has some creative workarounds that would probably not fly here in the states, but for where he is, he can get away with it. There are some links at the bottom of that page that the OP linked to. |
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Can you think of that in Africa where they're illegal? Some people just jump to conclusions Funny... I don't see anyone claiming tribal Nigeria as their location on this thread. Some people argue for no other reason than to hear themselves talk 
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Can you think of that in Africa where they're illegal? Some people just jump to conclusions Funny... I don't see anyone claiming tribal Nigeria as their location on this thread. Some people argue for no other reason than to hear themselves talk In before you actually read the link in OP and realize that the man manufacturing the shells is in Nigeria where they can't buy slugs, hence my remark. Also in before you backpedal or disappear from the thread for being dense. |
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There is a similar trick where you take a bird shot load and cut into the shell hull right where the wadding is, between the powder and the shot cup. You cut through the hull almost all the way around leaving maybe 1/8th - 1/16th of an inch remaining. You then feed it into the chamber and fire it. The crimp is stronger the the remaining intact hull and the front of the shell separates and flies to the target as a 'slug'. I tries doing this years ago and it worked fairly well though I didn't do any testing for accuracy. The projectile would punch through one side of a 55 gallon drum, but would only dent the far side as the round was sort of 'frangible' and the bird shot was by then spreading apart after hitting the 'near' side of the barrel. -K |
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There is a similar trick where you take a bird shot load and cut into the shell hull right where the wadding is, between the powder and the shot cup. You cut through the hull almost all the way around leaving maybe 1/8th - 1/16th of an inch remaining. You then feed it into the chamber and fire it. The crimp is stronger the the remaining intact hull and the front of the shell separates and flies to the target as a 'slug'. -K So the actual top half of the shell flies down range? cool thanks for sharing, its cool learning new stuff! |
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very cool, makes me wonder why slugs are more expensive than bird shot though. Because birdshot gets dropped out of a metering petcock automatically and dumped into the shell in bulk. Slugs have to be cast, finished, and then oriented before loading. Buckshot has to be staggered and in many cases buffered. Anything that's plated gets an extra process thrown in there, too. All additional machine and labor costs must be passed onto the customer. Buckshot and slugs are more expensive to produce - therefore they cost more. |
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Quoted: Quoted: very cool, makes me wonder why slugs are more expensive than bird shot though. Because birdshot gets dropped out of a metering petcock automatically and dumped into the shell in bulk. Slugs have to be cast, finished, and then oriented before loading. Buckshot has to be staggered and in many cases buffered. Anything that's plated gets an extra process thrown in there, too. All additional machine and labor costs must be passed onto the customer. Buckshot and slugs are more expensive to produce - therefore they cost more. What do you mean "finished"? |
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very cool, makes me wonder why slugs are more expensive than bird shot though. Because birdshot gets dropped out of a metering petcock automatically and dumped into the shell in bulk. Slugs have to be cast, finished, and then oriented before loading. Buckshot has to be staggered and in many cases buffered. Anything that's plated gets an extra process thrown in there, too. All additional machine and labor costs must be passed onto the customer. Buckshot and slugs are more expensive to produce - therefore they cost more. And they sell far, far, far less. Quite an economy of scale with field loads with the millions of rounds fired every month at trap, skeet, sporting clays, etc. |
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very cool, makes me wonder why slugs are more expensive than bird shot though. Because birdshot gets dropped out of a metering petcock automatically and dumped into the shell in bulk. Slugs have to be cast, finished, and then oriented before loading. Buckshot has to be staggered and in many cases buffered. Anything that's plated gets an extra process thrown in there, too. All additional machine and labor costs must be passed onto the customer. Buckshot and slugs are more expensive to produce - therefore they cost more. What do you mean "finished"? He's probably thinking they need to be sized. |
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^ This Why not just cut the shell like the old timers used to do it? Probably because he has only a pump gun, and doesn't want the potential for feed issues. The old "cut the shell" gig works in single shot and double barrel guns, but not so much in the one the author has. |
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very cool, makes me wonder why slugs are more expensive than bird shot though. Because birdshot gets dropped out of a metering petcock automatically and dumped into the shell in bulk. Slugs have to be cast, finished, and then oriented before loading. Buckshot has to be staggered and in many cases buffered. Anything that's plated gets an extra process thrown in there, too. All additional machine and labor costs must be passed onto the customer. Buckshot and slugs are more expensive to produce - therefore they cost more. What do you mean "finished"? He's probably thinking they need to be sized. "Rifled" slugs don't need to be resized, no. The shotgun does that for you.
But saboted slugs need to be put into their sabots and sometimes those are fixed with a light adhesive or even a buffer. As a result, saboted slugs are even more expensive. I'm just saying, the more steps and processes you need to take to make something, the more it's going to have to cost. |
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Can you think of that in Africa where they're illegal? Some people just jump to conclusions Funny... I don't see anyone claiming tribal Nigeria as their location on this thread. Some people argue for no other reason than to hear themselves talk In before you actually read the link in OP and realize that the man manufacturing the shells is in Nigeria where they can't buy slugs, hence my remark. Also in before you backpedal or disappear from the thread for being dense. Well, next time I'm defending myself from brigands in Nigeria, maybe I'll see this info in a different light. But for the time being, my give-a-shit-o-meter is pegged pretty low. |
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Can you think of that in Africa where they're illegal? Some people just jump to conclusions Funny... I don't see anyone claiming tribal Nigeria as their location on this thread. Some people argue for no other reason than to hear themselves talk In before you actually read the link in OP and realize that the man manufacturing the shells is in Nigeria where they can't buy slugs, hence my remark. Also in before you backpedal or disappear from the thread for being dense. Well, next time I'm defending myself from brigands in Nigeria, maybe I'll see this info in a different light. But for the time being, my give-a-shit-o-meter is pegged pretty low. 
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People do this here in the states, albeit with the proper reloading equipment, and a lead melter pot, and a Foster type shotgun slug mold with Federal bulk-pack #8 shot ammo to make cheap slugs to feed Saiga 12ga with the high capacity magazines and drums when their range does not allow any kind of shot.
$24.99 for 100 slugs, (not counting your time and the reloading gear, figure initial investment of $45 for Lee load-all, $65 for a melter pot, and $30 for a 1oz slug mold), vs. $100 for the common price of $1 each. Two 100 round bulk-packs converted to slugs and you've made your money back, unless you have a job that pays you more than $75 an hour. In which case, congratulations! The best deal online I've ever found is the Nobelsport 12ga .65 caliber ball, (not even really a slug) for about $35 for a box/pack of 100, and that's still $10 more than the Wallyworld Federal bulk-packs, and does not yet count the shipping. Rio Royal has some similar deals. After you've gone through a few bulk packs and built up a supply of hulls you can reload, and you're buying bulk powder, primers, shot cups/wads, and lead for more slugs, your cost basis is even cheaper. |
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4949/3733062017f2688543b8.jpg 
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Can you think of that in Africa where they're illegal? Some people just jump to conclusions Funny... I don't see anyone claiming tribal Nigeria as their location on this thread. Some people argue for no other reason than to hear themselves talk In before you actually read the link in OP and realize that the man manufacturing the shells is in Nigeria where they can't buy slugs, hence my remark. Also in before you backpedal or disappear from the thread for being dense. Well, next time I'm defending myself from brigands in Nigeria, maybe I'll see this info in a different light. But for the time being, my give-a-shit-o-meter is pegged pretty low. Hey, ignorance is cool. ICP said so. |
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I wonder what goes into the process of making sabot slugs that demands $3 a shell. I still want to know why bird shot is going up in price? Your dollar is smaller/weaker due to inflation, thanks to the Fed Res. Bank and Obummer. And prior to that, Carter, Clinton, Acorn creating the Community Reinvestment Act and the sub-prime mortgage market, and Bawney Fwank and Freddie and Fannie May. |
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I wonder what goes into the process of making sabot slugs that demands $3 a shell. I still want to know why bird shot is going up in price? Your dollar is smaller/weaker due to inflation, thanks to the Fed Res. Bank and Obummer. And prior to that, Carter, Clinton, Acorn creating the Community Reinvestment Act and the sub-prime mortgage market, and Bawney Fwank and Freddie and Fannie May. Hmm, but in comparison to .223 and other prices the bird shot went up, and stayed up. Thats probably it though. |
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I can think of easier ways to getting shotgun slugs. Like Walmart. Some people just have to much time on their hands. Can you think of that in Africa where they're illegal? Some people just jump to conclusions Funny... I don't see anyone claiming tribal Nigeria as their location on this thread. Some people argue for no other reason than to hear themselves talk In before you actually read the link in OP and realize that the man manufacturing the shells is in Nigeria where they can't buy slugs, hence my remark. Also in before you backpedal or disappear from the thread for being dense. Well, next time I'm defending myself from brigands in Nigeria, maybe I'll see this info in a different light. But for the time being, my give-a-shit-o-meter is pegged pretty low. Hey, ignorance is cool. ICP said so. Well - some of us actually walked into this thread with the knowledge of how to melt and rough-form lead. It isn't exactly a new science. But please... don't let me stand in the way of your education. |
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People do this here in the states, albeit with the proper reloading equipment, and a lead melter pot, and a Foster type shotgun slug mold with Federal bulk-pack #8 shot ammo to make cheap slugs to feed Saiga 12ga with the high capacity magazines and drums when their range does not allow any kind of shot. $24.99 for 100 slugs, (not counting your time and the reloading gear, figure initial investment of $45 for Lee load-all, $65 for a melter pot, and $30 for a 1oz slug mold), vs. $100 for the common price of $1 each. Two 100 round bulk-packs converted to slugs and you've made your money back, unless you have a job that pays you more than $75 an hour. In which case, congratulations! The best deal online I've ever found is the Nobelsport 12ga .65 caliber ball, (not even really a slug) for about $35 for $100, and that's $10 more than the Wallyworld Federal bulk-packs, and does not yet count the shipping. Rio Royal has some similar deals. After you've gone through a few bulk packs and built up a supply of hulls you can reload, and you're buying bulk powder, primers, shot cups/wads, and lead for more slugs, your cost basis is even cheaper. I had not considered this angle. Makes sense. I fucking love slugs, but hate paying for them. Have you done this yourself? i am wondering about performance. |
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This guy pulls the BB's out of bird shot, melts it into slugs, and pushes them right back into the shotgun shell, and they are remarkably accurate at 33 yards. LINK It's been posted here before, but is a darn fine subject to repeat - thanks for doing it. Firearms inginuity at it's finest, makes me want to buy a $50 single shot shotgun and convert some #7 1/2 shot shells. 
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There is a similar trick where you take a bird shot load and cut into the shell hull right where the wadding is, between the powder and the shot cup. You cut through the hull almost all the way around leaving maybe 1/8th - 1/16th of an inch remaining. You then feed it into the chamber and fire it. The crimp is stronger the the remaining intact hull and the front of the shell separates and flies to the target as a 'slug'. I tries doing this years ago and it worked fairly well though I didn't do any testing for accuracy. The projectile would punch through one side of a 55 gallon drum, but would only dent the far side as the round was sort of 'frangible' and the bird shot was by then spreading apart after hitting the 'near' side of the barrel. -K I want to try this, and I have a couple of bulk packs of federal 12 gauge to try it with. 
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