Posted: 10/20/2010 12:09:08 PM EDT
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Putting together a bid for a generator replacement project today. Boy, did the engineer blow it on his estimate. His estimated cost was $1.3 million for the generators, including installation. I just got my quote for the gen sets. $3.9 million for the 4 of them. That does not include my labor and materials for the installation. I have a feeling this bid will not be awarded. |
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Quoted: Sure they are replacing all 4? I once asked for a bid on interior demo of a building. Bid came in at a fraction of my budget. Turns out the bidder missed the note that said "6 story building - existing floor plan typical for all) Yes, they are replacing all 4. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: we dont have those gensets in stock? oh. Not 1100 kw sets at 5 kv. These guys have a 7 month lead time. oh shit. I could have sworn we had those. So and So said we had em. lol Is this guy a goner? I have no idea. He works for the engineering firm that was contracted by the City to design this system. |
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Are we talking a mucincipal installation here? I'm not an estimator nor contractor, but I will say that I have worked with several civil engineers in a municipal setting who couldn't estimate shit from shit. The best story I have is of a civil engineer EIT who was approached by the city manager and asked to work on a project that included pouring a cement foundation within a large storage shed. When the work was put out for bid, the 3 cement contractors came out and I had the pleasure of talking with them. I know very little about the civil/industrial side of things, but one of the rep's from the concrete company walked up to me and asked if I had "engineered" the flooring plan for this building. I said no and he went on to explain to me that whoever did had so overdone the specs that "you could drive tanks in here and park them if you wanted to". The shed was meant for parking snow-blowers and other small equipment. I had a little LOL when he said that. |
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Quoted: Are we talking a mucincipal installation here? I'm not an estimator nor contractor, but I will say that I have worked with several civil engineers in a municipal setting who couldn't estimate shit from shit. The best story I have is of a civil engineer EIT who was approached by the city manager and asked to work on a project that included pouring a cement foundation within a large storage shed. When the work was put out for bid, the 3 cement contractors came out and I had the pleasure of talking with them. I know very little about the civil/industrial side of things, but one of the rep's from the concrete company walked up to me and asked if I had "engineered" the flooring plan for this building. I said no and he went on to explain to me that whoever did had so overdone the specs that "you could drive tanks in here and park them if you wanted to". The shed was meant for parking snow-blowers and other small equipment. I had a little LOL when he said that. Yes, it is a municipal installation. A waste water treatment plant to be exact. |
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we dont have those gensets in stock? oh. Not 1100 kw sets at 5 kv. These guys have a 7 month lead time. Those are on sale right now at Harbor Freight. Don't forget the 20% off coupon. Harbor Freight only has the 1.1 megawatt sets. I think Klein Tools makes a decimal adjustor punch set. You'll be good to go. |
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that graphic is always showing up in my PM class. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Are we talking a mucincipal installation here? I'm not an estimator nor contractor, but I will say that I have worked with several civil engineers in a municipal setting who couldn't estimate shit from shit. The best story I have is of a civil engineer EIT who was approached by the city manager and asked to work on a project that included pouring a cement foundation within a large storage shed. When the work was put out for bid, the 3 cement contractors came out and I had the pleasure of talking with them. I know very little about the civil/industrial side of things, but one of the rep's from the concrete company walked up to me and asked if I had "engineered" the flooring plan for this building. I said no and he went on to explain to me that whoever did had so overdone the specs that "you could drive tanks in here and park them if you wanted to". The shed was meant for parking snow-blowers and other small equipment. I had a little LOL when he said that. Yes, it is a municipal installation. A waste water treatment plant to be exact. For the city of Calgary?  Calgary (where I live) was/is going to replace all 4 of their gen-set's they currently use. I believe they were only going to replace the 4 with 3, however, as the generation capacity of the 3 was equal to the 4 they already use. I have to say, when I first saw those 4 they were using, I was impressed. I've worked around allot of heavy equipment, but all 4 of those suckers running at the same time was awe inspiring. Do the gen-sets you install run on natural or digester gas, or both? I believe the largest plant here generates something like 1/2 the power they use from the digested sludge that the plant generates, which is pretty impressive, because it is a huge facility. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are we talking a mucincipal installation here? I'm not an estimator nor contractor, but I will say that I have worked with several civil engineers in a municipal setting who couldn't estimate shit from shit. The best story I have is of a civil engineer EIT who was approached by the city manager and asked to work on a project that included pouring a cement foundation within a large storage shed. When the work was put out for bid, the 3 cement contractors came out and I had the pleasure of talking with them. I know very little about the civil/industrial side of things, but one of the rep's from the concrete company walked up to me and asked if I had "engineered" the flooring plan for this building. I said no and he went on to explain to me that whoever did had so overdone the specs that "you could drive tanks in here and park them if you wanted to". The shed was meant for parking snow-blowers and other small equipment. I had a little LOL when he said that. Yes, it is a municipal installation. A waste water treatment plant to be exact. For the city of Calgary? Calgary (where I live) was/is going to replace all 4 of their gen-set's they currently use. I believe they were only going to replace the 4 with 3, however, as the generation capacity of the 3 was equal to the 4 they already use. I have to say, when I first saw those 4 they were using, I was impressed. I've worked around allot of heavy equipment, but all 4 of those suckers running at the same time was awe inspiring. Do the gen-sets you install run on natural or digester gas, or both? I believe the largest plant here generates something like 1/2 the power they use from the digested sludge that the plant generates, which is pretty impressive, because it is a huge facility. Santa Rosa, California. And these units are able to run on either natural gas or digester gas. |
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Or perhaps he was lazy and needed a number to put in a cap-ex for the next budget and wantedyou to do the work, so he just pulled something out of his ass, to get a prelimnary to send out RFQ's so they could get back actual numebrs for the next budget... Why did you say CrapEx. I HATE that program. It is a piece of shit built by some guy who must have loved beans and wears a tutu in Texas. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are we talking a mucincipal installation here? I'm not an estimator nor contractor, but I will say that I have worked with several civil engineers in a municipal setting who couldn't estimate shit from shit. The best story I have is of a civil engineer EIT who was approached by the city manager and asked to work on a project that included pouring a cement foundation within a large storage shed. When the work was put out for bid, the 3 cement contractors came out and I had the pleasure of talking with them. I know very little about the civil/industrial side of things, but one of the rep's from the concrete company walked up to me and asked if I had "engineered" the flooring plan for this building. I said no and he went on to explain to me that whoever did had so overdone the specs that "you could drive tanks in here and park them if you wanted to". The shed was meant for parking snow-blowers and other small equipment. I had a little LOL when he said that. Yes, it is a municipal installation. A waste water treatment plant to be exact. For the city of Calgary? Calgary (where I live) was/is going to replace all 4 of their gen-set's they currently use. I believe they were only going to replace the 4 with 3, however, as the generation capacity of the 3 was equal to the 4 they already use. I have to say, when I first saw those 4 they were using, I was impressed. I've worked around allot of heavy equipment, but all 4 of those suckers running at the same time was awe inspiring. Do the gen-sets you install run on natural or digester gas, or both? I believe the largest plant here generates something like 1/2 the power they use from the digested sludge that the plant generates, which is pretty impressive, because it is a huge facility. Santa Rosa, California. And these units are able to run on either natural gas or digester gas. 2 questions, if you could oblige me: Typically how long would you get out of a motor of that size. What would be the horsepower output of the same? Just a generic number, I don't need specifics. |
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Putting together a bid for a generator replacement project today. Boy, did the engineer blow it on his estimate. His estimated cost was $1.3 million for the generators, including installation. I just got my quote for the gen sets. $3.9 million for the 4 of them. That does not include my labor and materials for the installation. I have a feeling this bid will not be awarded. 7 month lead time? Who you dealing with. $800,000.00 for 1100kw@5kv? You can pick up a CAT 3.1meg @ 12470v for $800,000 NIB. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are we talking a mucincipal installation here? I'm not an estimator nor contractor, but I will say that I have worked with several civil engineers in a municipal setting who couldn't estimate shit from shit. The best story I have is of a civil engineer EIT who was approached by the city manager and asked to work on a project that included pouring a cement foundation within a large storage shed. When the work was put out for bid, the 3 cement contractors came out and I had the pleasure of talking with them. I know very little about the civil/industrial side of things, but one of the rep's from the concrete company walked up to me and asked if I had "engineered" the flooring plan for this building. I said no and he went on to explain to me that whoever did had so overdone the specs that "you could drive tanks in here and park them if you wanted to". The shed was meant for parking snow-blowers and other small equipment. I had a little LOL when he said that. Yes, it is a municipal installation. A waste water treatment plant to be exact. For the city of Calgary? Calgary (where I live) was/is going to replace all 4 of their gen-set's they currently use. I believe they were only going to replace the 4 with 3, however, as the generation capacity of the 3 was equal to the 4 they already use. I have to say, when I first saw those 4 they were using, I was impressed. I've worked around allot of heavy equipment, but all 4 of those suckers running at the same time was awe inspiring. Do the gen-sets you install run on natural or digester gas, or both? I believe the largest plant here generates something like 1/2 the power they use from the digested sludge that the plant generates, which is pretty impressive, because it is a huge facility. Santa Rosa, California. And these units are able to run on either natural gas or digester gas. 2 questions, if you could oblige me: Typically how long would you get out of a motor of that size. What would be the horsepower output of the same? Just a generic number, I don't need specifics. No idea. We are electrical contractors. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Putting together a bid for a generator replacement project today. Boy, did the engineer blow it on his estimate. His estimated cost was $1.3 million for the generators, including installation. I just got my quote for the gen sets. $3.9 million for the 4 of them. That does not include my labor and materials for the installation. I have a feeling this bid will not be awarded. 7 month lead time? Who you dealing with. $800,000.00 for 1100kw@5kv? You can pick up a CAT 3.1meg @ 12470v for $800,000 NIB.http://i55.tinypic.com/keephv.jpg It's a GE genset. I don't know where you are, but we also have to deal with a special air quality management district and noise concerns. |
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we dont have those gensets in stock? oh. Not 1100 kw sets at 5 kv. These guys have a 7 month lead time. oh shit. I could have sworn we had those. So and So said we had em. lol Is this guy a goner? I have no idea. He works for the engineering firm that was contracted by the City to design this system. I'm gonna go with that was his estimate BEFORE change orders |
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Putting together a bid for a generator replacement project today. Boy, did the engineer blow it on his estimate. His estimated cost was $1.3 million for the generators, including installation. I just got my quote for the gen sets. $3.9 million for the 4 of them. That does not include my labor and materials for the installation. I have a feeling this bid will not be awarded. 7 month lead time? Who you dealing with. $800,000.00 for 1100kw@5kv? You can pick up a CAT 3.1meg @ 12470v for $800,000 NIB.http://i55.tinypic.com/keephv.jpg NIB. LOL. |
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Putting together a bid for a generator replacement project today. Boy, did the engineer blow it on his estimate. His estimated cost was $1.3 million for the generators, including installation. I just got my quote for the gen sets. $3.9 million for the 4 of them. That does not include my labor and materials for the installation. I have a feeling this bid will not be awarded. 7 month lead time? Who you dealing with. $800,000.00 for 1100kw@5kv? You can pick up a CAT 3.1meg @ 12470v for $800,000 NIB.http://i55.tinypic.com/keephv.jpg It's a GE genset. I don't know where you are, but we also have to deal with a special air quality management district and noise concerns. which means "it's a government and they don't give two shits about how much money it costs, they want the very bestest and mostest and expensivest to build their empire. I mean hell, it's not their money why should they care?" |