Posted: 10/17/2010 9:16:13 AM EDT
Was at the local range yesterday, and the National Guard was there as well doing some rifle qualifying, and get this, they were all shooting A1 style AR's. ( Little outdated don't you think?) All of their shooting was down at 25 meters, in semi, and tri burst auto. It made me sick to my stomach to see how much ammo they were actually going through. Some of you would of cried I'm sure. But to the sound of of 12 AR's all opening up all at once in tri burst sure gave me me a funny feeling down in my pants if you know what I mean  (SWEET)
What makes all of this funny to me though, is that I was shooting my Bushmaster mid length, with an Aimpint and a few other neat add ons, and what I had seemed so much better than what the guard was shooting that day. Why on earth are they still using the old style A1's? |
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They weren't A1s if they had 3rd burst.
Most of the A2s I've been issued in the Guard started life as A1s and have been "over stamped" with A2 and had the correct fire control parts for an A2 installed. Some will still have the A1 stocks and handguards, though, My first deployment in 2003 was with such a rifle. |
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Was at the local range yesterday, and the National Guard was there as well doing some rifle qualifying, and get this, they were all shooting A1 style AR's. ( Little outdated don't you think?) All of their shooting was down at 25 meters, in semi, and tri burst auto. It made me sick to my stomach to see how much ammo they were actually going through. Some of you would of cried I'm sure. But to the sound of of 12 AR's all opening up all at once in tri burst sure gave me me a funny feeling down in my pants if you know what I mean (SWEET)
What makes all of this funny to me though, is that I was shooting my Bushmaster mid length, with an Aimpint and a few other neat add ons, and what I had seemed so much better than what the guard was shooting that day. Why on earth are they still using the old style A1's? Money. |
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Well I clearly noticed the A1 sights, so I know 100% they were using A1 style uppers. When I overheard firing instructions, I heard the instructor mention the use of burst, so I'm assuming he meant tri burst. None the less, it was all still very cool. With the A1 you are trained to fire in 3 to 5 round bursts on auto. With practice you can nail it on 3 rounds every time. The A1 was a good rifle, but I am more accurate with the A2. |
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Well I clearly noticed the A1 sights, so I know 100% they were using A1 style uppers. When I overheard firing instructions, I heard the instructor mention the use of burst, so I'm assuming he meant tri burst. None the less, it was all still very cool. Ah, now that is interesting. The sights are replaced during the rebuild process, so they might indeed have been actual A1s. That is really rare, everywhere in DOD for one primary reason- ammo. Using M855 in the older A1s is just piss poor, and most units only get M855 these days. We can't even get the older ammo if we wanted to... |
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Quoted: During my time in the Guard (94-01), we had the A2. Not sure what kind of unit would still be using A1s at this point.Quoted: Was at the local range yesterday, and the National Guard Why on earth are they still using the old style A1's? You answered your own question...  |
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During my time in the Guard (94-01), we had the A2. Not sure what kind of unit would still be using A1s at this point.
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Was at the local range yesterday, and the National Guard Why on earth are they still using the old style A1's?
You answered your own question... Not doubting you, but the rifles clearly had A1 style sights. |
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I didn't see where you said you collected all that beautiful Brass..If Not, then you are an amature. Did you bucket the brass?...Tell me you racked up on all that beautiful brass. unless the guard is different, they have to turn in the brass, that is where all the once fired brass on govliquidation.com comes from. |
While the Air Force is ramping up efforts to replace all of the old guns, I shot in an EIC match (Active Duty, btw) where my M16 was marked "AR15" with some crazy low serial number.  While old, most if not all AF A1s have been rebarrelled to 1/7 and have "AUTO" stamped out an electropenciled "BURST" nearby. They still shoot great.
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Quoted: I'm not doubting you either, just trying to figure out what kind of REMF unit would still be using A1s. Hell, I was in a Reserve unit from 90-92 that had steel pots & Vietnam-era M16s complete with three prong flash hiders.Quoted: Quoted: During my time in the Guard (94-01), we had the A2. Not sure what kind of unit would still be using A1s at this point.Quoted: Was at the local range yesterday, and the National Guard Why on earth are they still using the old style A1's? You answered your own question... Not doubting you, but the rifles clearly had A1 style sights. |
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I didn't see where you said you collected all that beautiful Brass..If Not, then you are an amature. Did you bucket the brass?...Tell me you racked up on all that beautiful brass. LOL, your joking right? Brass was collected after each volley of firing. I was told that they have to bring it back with them and get it weighed. WTF is that all about? |
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Quoted: Quoted: I didn't see where you said you collected all that beautiful Brass..If Not, then you are an amature. Did you bucket the brass?...Tell me you racked up on all that beautiful brass. LOL, your joking right? Brass was collected after each volley of firing. I was told that they have to bring it back with them and get it weighed. WTF is that all about? Maybe to prove the amount of ammo that was used so no one can sell off the surplus for profit. |