[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Daily Morality question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/17/2010 9:07:23 AM EDT
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Is the life of a Good dog more valuable to you then that of a Bad human.
Specifically, if you were investigating alert barking in your home and came upon a burglar attempting to beat your dog with a length of 2x4, would you shoot the intruder or attempt to subdue him? For the purposes of this question, let us assume you are reasonably confident you could subdue the intruder (he is half your size) at the probable cost of your dogs life. |
| The real answer to the question is just shoot the perp. However, at the end of the day, a dog is just a dog. I don't care how many kids it has pulled from a well, how many cute sweaters you own for it, or how many children this dog replaces in your life. ITS A DOG. |
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In my state (if I understand the law correctly) it is legal to use deadly force to stop the commission of a felony inside your home, and to stop an unauthorized entry. So, anyone attempting to beat my dog in my home with a 2X4 is in the process of committing several felonies. Bang-bang, bang. |
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Burglar IN your home? His life is already forfeit at this point. ^ this. Once he kills your dog, how can you be sure he won't kill you with the 2x4??? eta: that last line is a pretty impossible assumption to make. Not in my state (and several others). Once a bad guy enters your home you have the right to defend yourself, your family/guests, and your dog with force. Just don't shoot him in the back if you can avoid it. It's more defensible in libtard courts if it doesn't look like the guy was trying to run away from your mighty shotgun racking sounds. 
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"Drop the wood! Drop it now!"
Failure to comply = good shoot Compliance = "Get on the ground! Get on the ground' hands behind your back or I shoot!" and a call to 911. This is if he was hitting a dog, cat, cockroach or baby seal. He's armed and in my home. You comply or you die, it's really that simple. |
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It's not a morality question if the perp is attacking you or your property.
You're armed in my house without an invitation? Well... bye. Now if it were some sort of oddball scenario with a welfare queen and a cute little schauser hanging over a pit of lava and you could only save one... Then the proper moral decision is to save the human life. But since that type of choice never actually comes up it's fairly irrelevant. |
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Use of deadly force in the situation as described would arguably be protected under California's Castle Doctrine law, PC 197. The fact that the burglar broke in forcefully and unlawfully makes him fair game. BANG BANG BANG BANG Drop that piece of wood! BANG BANG BANG TINKETY Tinkety tinkety tink tink tink |
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Is the life of a Good dog more valuable to you then that of a Bad human. Specifically, if you were investigating alert barking in your home and came upon a burglar attempting to beat your dog with a length of 2x4, would you shoot the intruder or attempt to subdue him? For the purposes of this question, let us assume you are reasonably confident you could subdue the intruder (he is half your size) at the probable cost of your dogs life. Someone breaking into my home and exhibiting violent behavior is getting shot until the violent behavior ceases. |
I didn't read all the posts, but if someone is intentionally harming my dogs-especially beating them with a 2x4-they're TOAST. 
Even if it means me being Bubba's prison bitch. 
I love my dogs, they love me. We protect one another. They're harmless-they don't need to be abused by ANYONE. |
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Quoted: Is the life of a Good dog more valuable to you then that of a Bad human. Specifically, if you were investigating alert barking in your home and came upon a burglar attempting to beat your dog with a length of 2x4, would you shoot the intruder or attempt to subdue him? For the purposes of this question, let us assume you are reasonably confident you could subdue the intruder (he is half your size) at the probable cost of your dogs life. A dog is just a dog, but a burglar in my house with a deadly weapon is a threat to my life.... |
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In my state (if I understand the law correctly) it is legal to use deadly force to stop the commission of a felony inside your home, and to stop an unauthorized entry. So, anyone attempting to beat my dog in my home with a 2X4 is in the process of committing several felonies. Bang-bang, bang. Exactly. 
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Is the life of a Good dog more valuable to you then that of a Bad human. Specifically, if you were investigating alert barking in your home and came upon a burglar attempting to beat your dog with a length of 2x4, would you shoot the intruder or attempt to subdue him? For the purposes of this question, let us assume you are reasonably confident you could subdue the intruder (he is half your size) at the probable cost of your dogs life. Lots of unimportant info in the OP. The answer is yes. 
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Man it must be nice to live in a free state.
Here in NJ this is a very pertinant question, as you have a "Duty to retreat" before using lethal force. The exemption for being in your own home only kicks in if your actively being injured yourself. Shooting the perp would be very dicey legally and probably get you arrested, hell a couple years back there was a case where a guy got in trouble for attempting to stop a guy from raping his wife instead of retreating. |
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Man it must be nice to live in a free state. Here in NJ this is a very pertinant question, as you have a "Duty to retreat" before using lethal force. The exemption for being in your own home only kicks in if your actively being injured yourself. Shooting the perp would be very dicey legally and probably get you arrested, hell a couple years back there was a case where a guy got in trouble for attempting to stop a guy from raping his wife instead of retreating. Yah you should probably move. 
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Man it must be nice to live in a free state. Here in NJ this is a very pertinant question, as you have a "Duty to retreat" before using lethal force. The exemption for being in your own home only kicks in if your actively being injured yourself. Shooting the perp would be very dicey legally and probably get you arrested, hell a couple years back there was a case where a guy got in trouble for attempting to stop a guy from raping his wife instead of retreating. Yes, it is nice to live in a free state as far as these situations are concerned. Invade a home here in Utah = automatic legal justification for lethal force. Also, consider that I have 5 children spread out over two floors. How on earth could anyone ask me to "retreat" and abandon my children to the ill intents of a home invader? |
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Man it must be nice to live in a free state. Here in NJ this is a very pertinant question, as you have a "Duty to retreat" before using lethal force. The exemption for being in your own home only kicks in if your actively being injured yourself. Shooting the perp would be very dicey legally and probably get you arrested, hell a couple years back there was a case where a guy got in trouble for attempting to stop a guy from raping his wife instead of retreating. Any chance you can move? |
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Man it must be nice to live in a free state. Here in NJ this is a very pertinant question, as you have a "Duty to retreat" before using lethal force. The exemption for being in your own home only kicks in if your actively being injured yourself. Shooting the perp would be very dicey legally and probably get you arrested, hell a couple years back there was a case where a guy got in trouble for attempting to stop a guy from raping his wife instead of retreating. Wow. My stepson moved there after graduating college for work. He is obligated for 18 months then gets to move elsewhere in company, hopefully NC. He despises NJ and their fucked up laws. He tells me about some of the screwed up NJ laws and all I can do is shake my head. Here? In my house? You're approaching room temperature soon. |