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Posted: 9/14/2010 3:48:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 3:52:21 PM EDT by CyberSEAL]
I apologize if this has been posted before. I searched the archives and used Google to search ARFCOM and could not find a thread on it. This is some messed up shit right here. The Flight 93 memorial in Pennsylvania will be colored and shaped like a red crescent and pointed to mecca.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4z1QN6m_QI


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:51:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:53:38 PM EDT
meh?

sorta like seeing jesus in the spaghetti if you ask me.

i thought it was an actual islamic something, after a few minutes, i realized that thats what these folks are seeing somehow in the design.

did i miss something?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:55:45 PM EDT
I think the crescent shape is pretty obvious. I'm just wondering who was behind the design.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:56:03 PM EDT
That's so we'll always remember who did it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:58:39 PM EDT
Fuck hjidi fuck obama fuck it them boys in thoese hill ain't gonna have it. Bullshit shit fuck em jihad bring mother fuckers. God damn libtards. This shit struck. A nerve.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:03:25 PM EDT
I thought they had decided to do that about 8 years ago. That's around when I first heard about it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:04:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JohnMikerson:


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:05:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 4:12:01 PM EDT by Kihn]
This is from 5 or 6 years ago. It stirred up a bunch of shit. Something about the arch (crescent moon) and the dividing line from the epicenter of the arch thru the center of the arch was directed precisely towards Mecca. It was shitcanned after numerous protests. Have they decided to continue it?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:09:37 PM EDT
Shiny side out.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:10:14 PM EDT
Them boys in Pennsyltucky ain't gonna stand for this.

I'm wishing guessing that there is going to be s fire at the construction site about once a week.






 
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:13:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kihn:
This is from 5 or 6 years ago. It stirred up a bunch of shit. Something about the arch (crescent moon) and the dividing line from the epicenter of the arch thru the center of the arch was directed precisely towards Mecca. It was shitcanned after numerous protests. Have they decided to continue it?


Sure looks like it.

http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:13:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By beachpatriot13:
Fuck hjidi fuck obama fuck it them boys in thoese hill ain't gonna have it. Bullshit shit fuck em jihad bring mother fuckers. God damn libtards. This shit struck. A nerve.



Tell us how you really feel.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:16:12 PM EDT
It's the subtle Islamic way of saying, "We won."
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:17:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dredd308:
Them boys in Pennsyltucky ain't gonna stand for this.

I'm wishing guessing that there is going to be s fire at the construction site about once a week.






 


+1000 on that.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:22:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CyberSEAL:
I think the crescent shape is pretty obvious. I'm just wondering who was behind the design.

A liberal California Architect.

Surprised?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:23:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kihn:
This is from 5 or 6 years ago. It stirred up a bunch of shit. Something about the arch (crescent moon) and the dividing line from the epicenter of the arch thru the center of the arch was directed precisely towards Mecca. It was shitcanned after numerous protests. Have they decided to continue it?

They never stopped. They made minor modifications and kept right on with most of the original design.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:25:02 PM EDT
They are also building a new mosque close by.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:26:25 PM EDT
this again????
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:27:06 PM EDT
They tried to say they changed things, but the top of the 'tower of voices' is still described on the park service website as a 'crescent'.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:30:06 PM EDT
I prefer the not subtle way of saying.....

No you didn't
Originally Posted By 4v50:
It's the subtle Islamic way of saying, "We won."


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:30:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kihn:
This is from 5 or 6 years ago. It stirred up a bunch of shit. Something about the arch (crescent moon) and the dividing line from the epicenter of the arch thru the center of the arch was directed precisely towards Mecca. It was shitcanned after numerous protests. Have they decided to continue it?

That's what I remember too.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:32:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 4:35:45 PM EDT by nightdh]
They changed it because of the obvious reasons. Here is a link to the memorial page with the new plans.

Flight 93 Memorial

ETA Design Features
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:44:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CyberSEAL:
I think the crescent shape is pretty obvious. I'm just wondering who was behind the design.


It doesn't occur to you that there are no corners in a semi circle and this way no one is slighted by having their name tucked away in an insignificant location? People see what they want to see. Get over it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:45:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nightdh:
They changed it because of the obvious reasons. Here is a link to the memorial page with the new plans.

Flight 93 Memorial

ETA Design Features

It's not changed. It's still a crescent. It still faces to Mecca. And the memorial spire still has a crescent on it.


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:53:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By beachpatriot13:
Fuck hjidi fuck obama fuck it them boys in thoese hill ain't gonna have it. Bullshit shit fuck em jihad bring mother fuckers. God damn libtards. This shit struck. A nerve.


And here I was, all confused upon this issue. Thanks for your illumination - much clearer now.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:56:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By nightdh:
They changed it because of the obvious reasons. Here is a link to the memorial page with the new plans.

Flight 93 Memorial

ETA Design Features

It's not changed. It's still a crescent. It still faces to Mecca. And the memorial spire still has a crescent on it.




This doesn't look like a crescent to me.


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:59:42 PM EDT
Mooslims build trophies to themselves, just look at the dome of the rock. Anyone who thinks differently is just deluding themself.

They shit on us good on 9/11, and now they intend to rub our noses in the stain they left.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:59:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nightdh:
Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By nightdh:
They changed it because of the obvious reasons. Here is a link to the memorial page with the new plans.

Flight 93 Memorial

ETA Design Features

It's not changed. It's still a crescent. It still faces to Mecca. And the memorial spire still has a crescent on it.




This doesn't look like a crescent to me.


http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/233/memorialsitetomorrow.jpg
That's because they are no longer showing overhead view of it on their website. I wonder why?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/07/critics-flight-memorial-insist-islamic-symbols-remain/


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:10:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 5:12:48 PM EDT by WildApple]
I guess if they planted the trees in a star pattern, they would just about have a islamic crescent
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:13:02 PM EDT
Oh look, it points to mecca. A coincidence I'm sure.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:16:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tannim:
Oh look, it points to mecca. A coincidence I'm sure.
http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/proof_files/image006.jpg


I was surfing for some info and found that too. It's starting to look like they didn't change a fucking thing. According to the info I found the changed its angle from like two degrees north of mecca to three degrees south. What was the point of that?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:22:53 PM EDT
Hmm, interesting.

I really want to think it's just an unfortunate, yet really obvious oversight, but I can't do it.

I mean, seriously, a big, huge fucking crescent, known the world over as the symbol of islam, built as a memorial to the heroes of flight 93?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:25:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nightdh:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
Oh look, it points to mecca. A coincidence I'm sure.
http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/proof_files/image006.jpg


I was surfing for some info and found that too. It's starting to look like they didn't change a fucking thing. According to the info I found the changed its angle from like two degrees north of mecca to three degrees south. What was the point of that?

They only added a single line of red trees. Which don't join the crescent. If they really wanted to change to a bowl, they should have moved the groves around the bowl in equal spacing and centered it on the Sacred Ground.

Like this:



WOW, the crescent is gone. And I'm not even an Architect.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:31:55 PM EDT
Somebody said that a plain one room court house should be built. The trails for all the shit stains would be held there, and hangings, then it would be a museum/memorial.
Simple.

Were 180 degrees out of balance here. Shits gonna fall over eventually.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:34:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:36:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By plowdriver:
Somebody said that a plain one room court house should be built. The trails for all the shit stains would be held there, and hangings, then it would be a museum/memorial.
Simple.

Were 180 degrees out of balance here. Shits gonna fall over eventually.
I like that idea.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:40:50 PM EDT
Aside from the obvious symbology, they used eminent domain to seize the land.

Not really what the people on 93 were fighting for, one would guess...
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:45:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Aside from the obvious symbology, they used eminent domain to seize the land.

Not really what the people on 93 were fighting for, one would guess...


I never did hear the whole story. Why were the landowners holding out?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:46:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By plowdriver:
Somebody said that a plain one room court house should be built. The trails for all the shit stains would be held there, and hangings, then it would be a museum/memorial.
Simple.

Were 180 degrees out of balance here. Shits gonna fall over eventually.
I like that idea.



Yup, got my vote.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:46:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tannim:

Originally Posted By plowdriver:
Somebody said that a plain one room court house should be built. The trails for all the shit stains would be held there, and hangings, then it would be a museum/memorial.
Simple.

Were 180 degrees out of balance here. Shits gonna fall over eventually.
I like that idea.



Ditto.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:47:44 PM EDT
the current design just needs an eternal flame


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:47:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 5:56:06 PM EDT by JINXR]
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Aside from the obvious symbology, they used eminent domain to seize the land.

Not really what the people on 93 were fighting for, one would guess...


Yep. Over 1400 acres were stolen via eminent domain for a crash site memorial.



ETA: Sorry, had the acreage wrong. It's actually 2200 acres.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:50:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 5:55:14 PM EDT by JINXR]
Originally Posted By nightdh:
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Aside from the obvious symbology, they used eminent domain to seize the land.

Not really what the people on 93 were fighting for, one would guess...


I never did hear the whole story. Why were the landowners holding out?


The owners were more than willing to donate or sell the land near the crash site. However the government demanded they sell over 1400 acres. That's absolute bullshit, no matter how you slice it.

ETA: Sorry, had the acreage wrong. It's actually 2200 acres.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:53:09 PM EDT
Design modifications

In response to criticism, the designer has agreed to modify the plan. The architect believes that the central elements can be maintained to satisfy criticism. "It's a disappointment there is a misinterpretation and a simplistic distortion of this, but if that is a public concern, then that is something we will look to resolve in a way that keeps the essential qualities," Murdoch, 48, said in a telephone interview to the Associated Press.

The redesigned memorial has the plain shape of a circle (as opposed to a crescent) bisected by the flight's trajectory. "The circle enhances the earlier design by putting more emphasis on the crash site, officials said in the newsletter. A break in the trees will symbolize the path the plane took as it crashed." There is criticism that the redesign does not address any of the issues with the original design.

The redesign has been unveiled and can be seen at the NPS official web page for the memorial. Architect Paul Murdoch describes it as follows:
"The image is an aerial view from the bowl looking towards the Sacred Ground. To the left in the background, a walkway approaches from an arrival court along the edge of and overlooking the Sacred Ground. The walkway eventually widens in from a ceremonial gate, shown in bronze, and the wall of names, composed of 40 panels of 3-inch (7.6 cm)-thick slabs of polished white granite, 8 feet (2.4 m) tall, each inscribed with a name of the 40 heroes. Two walls flanking the gate are clad in polished white granite and the flight path is paved with black granite. Beyond the gate is the impact site, shown planted with wildflowers, and the hemlock grove beyond."


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:56:32 PM EDT
I don't want to sound heartless, but why do we need a memorial there? And that large. Most of that land has been taken away from taxpayers. It erks me to no end that the government thinks they can just take what they want.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:58:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Thatdude333:
Design modifications

In response to criticism, the designer has agreed to modify the plan. The architect believes that the central elements can be maintained to satisfy criticism. "It's a disappointment there is a misinterpretation and a simplistic distortion of this, but if that is a public concern, then that is something we will look to resolve in a way that keeps the essential qualities," Murdoch, 48, said in a telephone interview to the Associated Press.

The redesigned memorial has the plain shape of a circle (as opposed to a crescent) bisected by the flight's trajectory. "The circle enhances the earlier design by putting more emphasis on the crash site, officials said in the newsletter. A break in the trees will symbolize the path the plane took as it crashed." There is criticism that the redesign does not address any of the issues with the original design.

The redesign has been unveiled and can be seen at the NPS official web page for the memorial. Architect Paul Murdoch describes it as follows:
"The image is an aerial view from the bowl looking towards the Sacred Ground. To the left in the background, a walkway approaches from an arrival court along the edge of and overlooking the Sacred Ground. The walkway eventually widens in from a ceremonial gate, shown in bronze, and the wall of names, composed of 40 panels of 3-inch (7.6 cm)-thick slabs of polished white granite, 8 feet (2.4 m) tall, each inscribed with a name of the 40 heroes. Two walls flanking the gate are clad in polished white granite and the flight path is paved with black granite. Beyond the gate is the impact site, shown planted with wildflowers, and the hemlock grove beyond."




Except it's not a circle. They added a line of trees to the end crescent, and they didn't touch the crescent. Leaving the Crescent, pointing to Mecca and the Islamic sundial intact. In otherwords they did enough to hide what was going on from people too engrossed by American Idol to notice.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:59:44 PM EDT
Fuck them I want to build a BBQ joint/ bar/ porn shop/ strip club/ oil change shop there!

Come into F-Allah's where you can get a pulled porn sammich , drink a Jameson , buy some porno and get a lap dance while you get the oil changed in your truck!

hint hint... If you tip one of our fine sluts good enough she will change your oil too


Ah its great to dream
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 6:07:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 6:07:26 PM EDT by flyfishnepa]
Originally Posted By JINXR:
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Aside from the obvious symbology, they used eminent domain to seize the land.

Not really what the people on 93 were fighting for, one would guess...


Yep. Over 1400 acres were stolen via eminent domain for a crash site memorial.



ETA: Sorry, had the acreage wrong. It's actually 2200 acres.


why the need for 2200 acres?



Link Posted: 9/14/2010 6:07:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By beachpatriot13:
Fuck hjidi fuck obama fuck it them boys in thoese hill ain't gonna have it. Bullshit shit fuck em jihad bring mother fuckers. God damn libtards. This shit struck. A nerve.



If serious, then:


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 6:12:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
the current design just needs an eternal flame



Point that sweetheart toward mecca and you will be my hero for the day.
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