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Posted: 9/11/2010 9:48:25 AM EDT
Can any explosive bomb experts tell me what was in here?


Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:49:44 AM EDT
Probably a bomb.....
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:50:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2010 9:51:12 AM EDT by wingnutx]
Cratering Charge


Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:50:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nicojh:
Probably a bomb.....


Not just any bomb!

That right there contained one of those that explodes.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:52:22 AM EDT
Seems redundant.

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Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:54:18 AM EDT
An explosive bomb.... duh
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:54:33 AM EDT
Is it going to take you three weeks to get the time and tools to open the box?
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:54:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:

Originally Posted By nicojh:
Probably a bomb.....


Not just any bomb!

That right there contained one of those that explodes.



An explosive bomb? Demz are rare thez days
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 9:55:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Caboose314:
Is it going to take you three weeks to get the time and tools to open the box?


another safe thread
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 10:17:08 AM EDT
why dont you google the nsn that is on top of the box?
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 10:20:58 AM EDT
Its a dikfer
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 10:27:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wingnutx:
Cratering Charge

http://www.tpub.com/content/armymunitions/mm0145a/mm0145a0027im.jpg

Yep, 40 lb of AN in a can basically.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 10:27:56 AM EDT
Bomb, talking, 30 second type One (1) ea.



"This was a special bomb, one issued to each of us for this mission with instructions to use them if we found ways to make them effective. The squawking I heard as I threw it was the bomb shouting in skinny talk (free translation): "I'm a thirty second bomb! I'm a thirty second bomb! Twenty-nine! Twenty-eight! Twenty-seven!..."
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 10:34:47 AM EDT
As opposed to a NON-explosive bomb?
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 10:47:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DangerJ:
Seems redundant.

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From the department of redundancy department.

Probably included a free gift.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:35:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Heartbreaker1373:
As opposed to a NON-explosive bomb?


BDU. Bomb Dummy Unit.

training bombs. Usually comes in all flavors of aircraft ordinance. Opposed to BLU, Bomb Live Unit.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:38:17 PM EDT
It's a bomb that's used to make holes in the ground.

Beats the hell out of digging, or so I hear...
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:39:49 PM EDT
In before the ATFE
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:41:09 PM EDT
This begs the question

Non-exploding Bomb?
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:43:43 PM EDT

Some people here think they're really smart.

There are explosive bombs and implosive bombs.

I can't go into detail about implosive bombs because it's classified, but they may or may not contain a few grams of Black Hole material.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:45:03 PM EDT
Shoot it see what happens

Other wise see if it talk back Dark Star bomb becomes self aware

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:46:51 PM EDT
You should use that as a trunk to carry all of your clothes in when you travel and see if you get hassled about it.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:48:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kleinman:
Can any explosive bomb experts tell me what was in here?
<a href="http://h.imagehost.org/view/0356/sdg" target="_blank">http://h.imagehost.org/0356/sdg.jpg</a>

<a href="http://h.imagehost.org/view/0047/eb" target="_blank">http://h.imagehost.org/0047/eb.jpg</a>


The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:56:33 PM EDT
In the mid '80s a unit in Germany was being given a class on using cratering charges. They decided to use a live charge instead of a dummy/training unit.

Guess what happened?

IIRC, the blast killed 11 Soldiers.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 12:58:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SpankD:
This begs the question

Non-exploding Bomb?

Inert (Training)

Incendiary (for example, a thermite grenade - it does NOT explode, it just burns)

Chemical

Smoke

(Etc)

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:04:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SpankD:
This begs the question

Non-exploding Bomb?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile

...A projectile which does not contain an explosive charge nor any other kind of charge is termed kinetic projectile, kinetic energy weapon, kinetic energy warhead, kinetic warhead or kinetic penetrator. Typical kinetic energy weapons are blunt projectiles such as rocks and round shots, pointed ones such as arrows, and somewhat pointed ones such as bullets. Among projectiles which do not contain explosives are those launched from railguns, coilguns, and mass drivers, as well as kinetic energy penetrators. All of these weapons work by attaining a high muzzle velocity (hypervelocity), and collide with their objective, converting their kinetic energy into destructive shock waves and heat...
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:05:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hungrymonkey:
why dont you google the nsn that is on top of the box?


Why not just read the side of the box that says: charge cratering

It might be a clue.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:07:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nicojh:
Probably a bomb.....


used for cratering

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:08:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bytor94:
In the mid '80s a unit in Germany was being given a class on using cratering charges. They decided to use a live charge instead of a dummy/training unit.

Guess what happened?

IIRC, the blast killed 11 Soldiers.


I don't remember that. Where did that happen?

We had shaped charges to use if we had to destroy the warheads.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:09:47 PM EDT
I think it should have a comma, where the bomb is a modifier of explosive, as opposed to explosive describing bomb.

Explosive, Bomb

as opposed to

Explosive, Ammunition

or

Explosive, Glock

one ea.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:10:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wingnutx:
I think it should have a comma, where the bomb is a modifier of explosive, as opposed to explosive describing bomb.

Explosive, Bomb

as opposed to

Explosive, Ammunition

or

Explosive, Glock

one ea.


The Holy Glock of Antioch?



Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:11:02 PM EDT
Crater charge, great for fucking up runways and roads. Let me upload some pics.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:11:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By silveradoguy17:
Its a dikfer


Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:19:25 PM EDT




Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:21:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2010 1:31:22 PM EDT by 82nd_Sapper]
This is what it looks like when properly rigged.




First you make a hole in the target with a shaped charge.



Then you put in the charge












ETA: This charge has a tendency to throw debris a long way. In the next pick there are some grapefruit sized chunks of concrete that flew over 200m and landed behind where we were taking cover.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:27:58 PM EDT
Irony, it apparently comes in crates!
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:32:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2010 1:34:38 PM EDT by Dragracer]
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
You should use that as a trunk to carry all of your clothes in when you travel and see if you get hassled about it.





ETA: Looks like its open..... Just look inside?
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:34:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Originally Posted By nicojh:
Probably a bomb.....


used for cratering





You know, like when you get married you have some crater the food.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:39:54 PM EDT
I get that it's used for cratering...but why do you need a cratering bomb?

The only thing I could think of was for making enemy runways unusable.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:42:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Slavac:
I get that it's used for cratering...but why do you need a cratering bomb?

The only thing I could think of was for making enemy runways unusable.


Blowing holes in roads is useful, too. Think about blowing a hole in an intersection or over a large culvert.

Good way to slow the bad guys down.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:43:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Slavac:
I get that it's used for cratering...but why do you need a cratering bomb?

The only thing I could think of was for making enemy runways unusable.


Exactly. And it does a damn good job. They are also much cheaper than anything the Air Force can deliver to do the same thing.
Roads too.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:50:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2010 1:52:48 PM EDT by bytor94]

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By bytor94:
In the mid '80s a unit in Germany was being given a class on using cratering charges. They decided to use a live charge instead of a dummy/training unit.

Guess what happened?

IIRC, the blast killed 11 Soldiers.


I don't remember that. Where did that happen?

We had shaped charges to use if we had to destroy the warheads.


I remember the story on AFN when it happened. Good old SGT Charley Gill reporting.

Found it.

Apparently, the memory is the first thing to go. Luckily there weren't as many killed as I remembered.

http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=29901

DK, I think you're mis-remembering. The only accident around that time frame where three were killed working with anything even resembling a shaped or cratering charge happened at Hohenfels in 1987. I don't recall anything at Hood involving a demolition materials accident. Couple of live-fire and artillery deaths, but nothing involving Engineers, EOD, or demolitions.

The accident at Hohenfels involved the M180 Cratering Charge, which was a Rube Goldberg (Heath Robinson, for our UK-centric brethren...) contraption if I ever saw one. Looking back, I still can't quite believe we ever fielded such an abortion.

An M180 consisted of a tripod-supported launch rail, which had four things strapped onto it. From ground level up, the four things were a 15-lb shaped charge, a modified clacker from a Claymore mine, and then a cratering charge with a rocket motor attached to it. The way the thing was supposed to work was this: You erected the tripod, assembled the explosive bits, and then connected the firing system to any other M180s you were using. When you fired the device, the rocket motor ignited, driving the cratering charge down the rail to impact the Claymore clacker, and that then detonated the shaped charge, creating a hole into which the cratering charge would then follow, and which would then detonate when the fuse in the charge burned down.

I have told new Soldiers about this thing, and they refuse to believe we ever had such a device as an experiment, let alone general issue. I have fond memories of watching the cratering charge and rocket go skipping merrily along the ground, after the shaped charge failed to penetrate the surface on a peacetime training shot. We were supposed to use the damn things to render roads and airfields unusable to the enemy, but I never encountered a single one of those things that was penetrable by a mere 15-lb shaped charge, especially in Europe. Asphalt, maybe. Concrete roads and runways, as commonly built in Germany? Like hell they'd have worked...

The accident at Hohenfels apparently occurred because the unit was too lazy to draw the training aid from the TASC before conducting training on it. What they did was set up a live munition, and when the instructor demonstrated how the cratering charge would come down the rail and hit the clacker, he hit the clacker. Which had been set up with a live cap, and was in a live shaped charge. The results of this I leave as an exercise for the reader...

Suffice to say, three wound up dead, and a bunch of others were injured. There was some controversy about what happened––One surviving witness insisted that the instructor had not moved aside the safety bail on the clacker, and had simply pushed the handle down with the safety bail in place, which should not have generated enough energy to set off the electric cap in the shaped charge. It apparently did, however, and the resulting safety review left us without the M180 as a part of the arsenal. I'd always been more than a little dubious about that thing, anyway. The holes it dug weren't anything special, either––You get far better results with a relieved-face road crater, anyway. Though, it does take more time and explosives...



Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:50:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Shoot it see what happens

Other wise see if it talk back Dark Star bomb becomes self aware



Great movie. Great scene.

Thanks for reminding me of it.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:51:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By SpankD:
This begs the question

Non-exploding Bomb?

Inert (Training)

Incendiary (for example, a thermite grenade - it does NOT explode, it just burns)

Chemical

Smoke

(Etc)



Also, Really bad movie.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:56:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Slavac:
I get that it's used for cratering...but why do you need a cratering bomb?

The only thing I could think of was for making enemy runways unusable.


Can be used to start fighting holes.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:57:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Slavac:
I get that it's used for cratering...but why do you need a cratering bomb?

The only thing I could think of was for making enemy runways unusable.


Faster then a shovel.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 2:13:59 PM EDT
I miss shape charges, cratering charges, data sheet, flex linear, det cord, C-4, TNT, bangalore torpedoes, blasting caps, dynamite, I still have my old demo card.

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Link Posted: 9/11/2010 2:21:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bytor94:

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By bytor94:
In the mid '80s a unit in Germany was being given a class on using cratering charges. They decided to use a live charge instead of a dummy/training unit.

Guess what happened?

IIRC, the blast killed 11 Soldiers.


I don't remember that. Where did that happen?

We had shaped charges to use if we had to destroy the warheads.


I remember the story on AFN when it happened. Good old SGT Charley Gill reporting.

Found it.

Apparently, the memory is the first thing to go. Luckily there weren't as many killed as I remembered.

http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php?showtopic=29901

DK, I think you're mis-remembering. The only accident around that timeframe where three were killed working with anything even resembling ashaped or cratering charge happened at Hohenfels in 1987. I don'trecall anything at Hood involving a demolition materials accident.Couple of live-fire and artillery deaths, but nothing involvingEngineers, EOD, or demolitions.

The accident at Hohenfels involved the M180 Cratering Charge, which wasa Rube Goldberg (Heath Robinson, for our UK-centric brethren...)contraption if I ever saw one. Looking back, I still can't quitebelieve we ever fielded such an abortion.

An M180 consisted of a tripod-supported launch rail, which had fourthings strapped onto it. From ground level up, the four things were a15-lb shaped charge, a modified clacker from a Claymore mine, and thena cratering charge with a rocket motor attached to it. The way thething was supposed to work was this: You erected the tripod, assembledthe explosive bits, and then connected the firing system to any otherM180s you were using. When you fired the device, the rocket motorignited, driving the cratering charge down the rail to impact theClaymore clacker, and that then detonated the shaped charge, creating ahole into which the cratering charge would then follow, and which wouldthen detonate when the fuse in the charge burned down.

I have told new Soldiers about this thing, and they refuse to believewe ever had such a device as an experiment, let alone general issue. Ihave fond memories of watching the cratering charge and rocket goskipping merrily along the ground, after the shaped charge failed topenetrate the surface on a peacetime training shot. We were supposed touse the damn things to render roads and airfields unusable to theenemy, but I never encountered a single one of those things that waspenetrable by a mere 15-lb shaped charge, especially in Europe.Asphalt, maybe. Concrete roads and runways, as commonly built inGermany? Like hell they'd have worked...

The accident at Hohenfels apparently occurred because the unit was toolazy to draw the training aid from the TASC before conducting trainingon it. What they did was set up a live munition, and when theinstructor demonstrated how the cratering charge would come down therail and hit the clacker, he hit the clacker. Which had been set upwith a live cap, and was in a live shaped charge. The results of this Ileave as an exercise for the reader...

Suffice to say, three wound up dead, and a bunch of others wereinjured. There was some controversy about what happened––One survivingwitness insisted that the instructor had not moved aside the safetybail on the clacker, and had simply pushed the handle down with thesafety bail in place, which should not have generated enough energy toset off the electric cap in the shaped charge. It apparently did,however, and the resulting safety review left us without the M180 as apart of the arsenal. I'd always been more than a little dubious aboutthat thing, anyway. The holes it dug weren't anything special,either––You get far better results with a relieved-face road crater,anyway. Though, it does take more time and explosives...





In 87? I was over there from 85-89.

Funny I don't remember that.

Link Posted: 9/11/2010 2:22:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SonOfNorway:
An explosive bomb.... duh


Link Posted: 9/11/2010 3:09:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:


In 87? I was over there from 85-89.

Funny I don't remember that.


I was there from 84 to 89 also. Here's a partial story from the Boston Globe.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8017420.html


Link Posted: 9/11/2010 3:11:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 82nd_Sapper:
Originally Posted By Slavac:
I get that it's used for cratering...but why do you need a cratering bomb?

The only thing I could think of was for making enemy runways unusable.


Exactly. And it does a damn good job. They are also much cheaper than anything the Air Force can deliver to do the same thing.
Roads too.


I love this website. Ask about usage of an obscure ord. and get a reply from a Sapper.

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