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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:18:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:20:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:20:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 6:20:16 AM EDT by david_g17]
construya una pared!
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:20:11 AM EDT
I see the fed has no problem adding atf tools to the border.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:21:01 AM EDT
Why is there a little voice screaming in the background that liars can figure and figures can lie?
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:21:51 AM EDT
Few thousand guns vs tens of millions of illegals. Sounds like mehico is getting the better deal.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:23:31 AM EDT
Is the problem the guns, inflated percentages in the report, or the illegals that take the guns back to Mexico?
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:23:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 6:26:45 AM EDT by xpired]
Obviously they didn't include the RPGs, Assault Rifles, Grenades, 40mm Launchers etc all supplied to the cartels through corrupt military and .gov officials in Mexico.

ETA: I wonder how many of those guns were bought legally, then illegally transported over the border. If those facts were reported, it would probably show the real problem is border security, and not who legally purchases guns in the United States.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:24:44 AM EDT
Media...

Willing dupes or just plain stupid.?
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:25:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas...


Yeah, of those guns they chose to trace...

Man, the antis are getting incredible mileage out of such a simple statistical trick. Of course they have little else to work with at the moment.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:25:03 AM EDT
My thought is that a closed border with monitored crossings would solve this issue for our neighbors to the south...
Just sayin'...

p
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:29:12 AM EDT
statistics lie quite well when you have an agenda. 40% that were traced. What percentage were given to the ATFf to trace (were the other 99% obviously from the US Gov, how about ones obviously from other foreign sources also given, or simply not handed over)? Did the ATF attempt to trace all guns given to them, or did they also cherry pick the sample? Of those they tried to trace, how many did they fail to trace?

I can say that 100% of the people I dated were female. That says nothing about the general population - it only denotes that I date women.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:30:07 AM EDT
So you're meaning to tell me that a large percentage of guns made in the US come from the US?

No way!

So you're telling me that most AR15s used in crimes come from the US? This is amazing!
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:30:15 AM EDT
And 80% of drugs used in Texas originated in Mexico. SEAL THE BORDER!
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:31:03 AM EDT
IN OTHER WORDS....

Country that has no gun manufacturing receives their guns from countries that manufacture guns.


This is the weakest argument the libs have ever hung onto to ban guns. If this is all they have to hold on to, we're on the right track.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:31:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 6:33:18 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:32:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby:


its ALL in the wording.

40% of the guns TRACED by the ATF

That could be 4 of them, out of the 10 they traced.

I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing.

Besides, most of those problems end if they secure their northern border like they do their southern border.

Never forget, the value of human life is much less in south and central america, thanks to socialism.

TXL
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:33:35 AM EDT
I guess they better close that border. It's for the Mexicans.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:35:54 AM EDT
In other news, 90% of crimes are caused by criminals (I allow lawyers and polititicians at least 10%).
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:36:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:38:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing.


Precisely. When you see pics of seized weapons it's generally a good bet that the M16's with M203's attached, RPGs, grenades, and similar weapons aren't sent to the BATFE for tracing purposes. Just the handguns and the like...which make up fuck all of the arsenal the cartels have.

International drug dealers are not taking over Mexico based solely on handguns bought from unlicensed dealers at gunshows. That ain't where their muscle is coming from.


And then , some of these guns are built up from 80% lowers or pressed AK kits, they're just assembling parts.

Of course the media won't listen to evil gun owners.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:38:46 AM EDT
The D/FW gun shows suck. I never see any grenades.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:39:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TXPaulie:
My thought is that a closed border with monitored crossings would solve this issue for our neighbors to the south...
Just sayin'...

p


Naw, gun control in the United States is a much better solution to this problem.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:39:48 AM EDT
In other news, 40% of Texas crime originated in Mexico.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:40:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Originally Posted By captainpooby:


its ALL in the wording.

40% of the guns TRACED by the ATF

That could be 4 of them, out of the 10 they traced.

I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing.

Besides, most of those problems end if they secure their northern border like they do their southern border.

Never forget, the value of human life is much less in south and central america, thanks to socialism.

TXL


If I were a betting man, I'd wager that the Mexican government does what it can to trace crime guns through their own resources first. When an origin fails to pop in their system, they call the BATFE. So of course the numbers of THOSE guns are going to trace high to US origin.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:41:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 6:42:34 AM EDT by 40xb-shooter]
Good job Texas. Ruining it for the rest of us. Sheesh.






J/K Im sure it is biased somehow by a anti
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:44:47 AM EDT
Has the ATF issued a formal report on this?
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:45:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By peekay:
The D/FW gun shows suck. I never see any grenades.

The guy in the back corner usually has a couple RPGs
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:45:09 AM EDT
(A) Headline: 40% of guns used in Mexico crimes originated in Texas
(B) Article: Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas

A <> B
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:45:24 AM EDT
I just re-read it like twice..This has to be the most amazing convoluted nonsense ever written.


Yeah..seal it up ...fuckers!
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:46:08 AM EDT
It's outsourcing.

They're just carrying guns without a license that Texans can't.

Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:46:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 6:47:20 AM EDT by Mr_Psmith]
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
40% of guns used in Mexico crimes originated in Texas

(4:28 a.m.)By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times
Posted: 09/08/2010 04:32:00 AM MDT


Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas, according to a report issued Tuesday by a coalition of U.S. mayors.


The headline and the first line of the story are two very different things. They are only equal if and only if the ATF traced 100% of all guns used in crimes in Mexico, which is certainly not the case.


Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:46:45 AM EDT
Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year

If I wanted to achieve such a statistic, I would only send the ATF semi-auto AKs and ARs, and relatively common (in the U.S.) handguns for tracing.
Just saying.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:47:11 AM EDT
They admittedly have seven wars going on amongst drug cartels, seven wars! And all they can come up with is where forty percent of the guns came from
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:47:40 AM EDT
so what 99.999 percent of drugs comes from meh heee coo like we should give a shit about their problems
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:50:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Psmith:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
40% of guns used in Mexico crimes originated in Texas

(4:28 a.m.)By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times
Posted: 09/08/2010 04:32:00 AM MDT


Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas, according to a report issued Tuesday by a coalition of U.S. mayors.


The headline and the first line of the story are two very different things. They are only equal if and only if the ATF traced 100% of all guns used in crimes in Mexico, which is certainly not the case.




When they fed us the higher figure two years ago I think the actual number of guns ACTUALLY run through the ATF from Mehico was in the single digits. Something like 80-90%?
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:57:24 AM EDT
THEN BUILD THE DAMN WALL AND THIS WILL STOP. You know? For a bunch of overpaid Gov. policymakers, they just can't put 1 and 1 together, even if it meant their lives.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:58:38 AM EDT
more yellow journalism
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:58:42 AM EDT
I think your founding fathers would encourage more guns in Mexico.

The USA being on the defensive on this one is insane:
A) The Mexican .gov is a corrupt cluster fuck and does not respect anything in the BOR.
B) Gun ownership is a natural right of man, All Men Are Endowed By Their Creator With Certain Inalienable Rights etc.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:00:22 AM EDT
Our border needs to be sealed, so we can get lulz for comparing TJ guns to Khyber pass guns.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:00:37 AM EDT
out of 10,000 guns seized, 10 were sent to the ATF. Of the 10, 4 came from Texas. 40% of all the guns sent to the ATF are from Texas. None of the 10 guns were Class III.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:01:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2010 7:02:38 AM EDT by Justin-Kase]

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I'm willing to bet well over 40% of violent crimes in Texas are perpetraded by individuals who originated in Mexico.

...so taking those doctored numbers at face value, let's just call it even, fuckers.

I'm at a loss to understand why I should give a warm fuck about the guns going to Mexico to be used in crimes when nobody in the goddamn federal government gives a warm fuck about the Mexicans/Guatemalans/Salvidorians coming into our country to commit crimes.

We can blame plenty on the illegals but considering 11.5% of the Texas population contributes 44% of the prison population I don't think we can go that far.


Texas prison population by race:
Year                Anglo          Black        Hispanic         Other
______________________________________________________________________

2010                 27.8           44.3           27.6            0.3

Texas racial make up 2006-2008 survey:

Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:02:53 AM EDT

"Illegal guns and their accompanying violence devastate communities across our country. Now we know more about how guns purchased here have helped sustain violent drug wars in Mexico," New York City mayor and coalition co-chairman Michael R. Bloomberg said in a statement.



Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:03:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing.


Precisely. When you see pics of seized weapons it's generally a good bet that the M16's with M203's attached, RPGs, grenades, and similar weapons aren't sent to the BATFE for tracing purposes.


THough if they did they would find the M16s came from the US or Canada.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:07:11 AM EDT
Well, some of them might have been purchased by Hispanics with valid drivers licenses.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:08:39 AM EDT
I guess they should do something about the illegals robbing fucking houses in Texas then huh
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:12:51 AM EDT
I assume ALL media is corrupt. If something they say is precisely true, I consider it a fortunate coincidence.

TC
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:12:54 AM EDT
A few years back certain types of airgun were banned in the UK on the basis that the Metropolitan Police claimed that of all the illegal guns they recovered, 50% of them were a handgun model of this type, converted to fire live ammunition. As a result, any airgun using the same system, pistol or rifle, was banned. Shortly after, the Met admitted they had made a mistake, and it had actually only been 5%. The ban still stands......................
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:13:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TXPaulie:
My thought is that a closed border with monitored crossings would solve this issue for our neighbors to the south...
Just sayin'...

p


+

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:
And 80% of drugs used in Texas originated in Mexico. SEAL THE BORDER!


=

too much common sense for this administration.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:20:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 338winmag:
Why is there a little voice screaming in the background that liars can figure and figures can lie?


The figures are probably correct, if you are only talking about the guns that were traced. These numbers do not include the guns sold by crooked Mexican cops, soldiers, and so on from the Mexican government stocks of weapons. Or guns supplied other South American crimes syndicates that were either bought from foreign arms dealers, governments, or other sources having jack to do with Texas gun shows.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:24:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas...


Yeah, of those guns they chose to trace...

Man, the antis are getting incredible mileage out of such a simple statistical trick. Of course they have little else to work with at the moment.


40% of the traceable guns originated in Texas.
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