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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:57:39 PM EDT
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Anxious to see who's proud of knowing a lot about Japanese sword-making, which is also a serious admission of the lack of pussy in your teenage years that would lead you to study such things.
I can tell you how to get a girl's panties around her ankles with Boone's Farm and a Journey record, but sadly not much about katanas. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:59:50 PM EDT
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Well, if Steyr were still here.....
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:00:36 PM EDT
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Anxious to see who's proud of knowing a lot about Japanese sword-making, which is also a serious admission of the lack of pussy in your teenage years that would lead you to study such things. I can tell you how to get a girl's panties around her ankles with Boone's Farm and a Journey record, but sadly not much about katanas. Please elaborate further. 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:01:10 PM EDT
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IBDKProf
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:01:33 PM EDT
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I believe DK-Prof has knowledge of traditional Japanese edged weapons.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:01:35 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:01:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, if Steyr were still here..... It's not like he's dead. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:01:47 PM EDT
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Reply of the year right there
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:02:01 PM EDT
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Anxious to see who's proud of knowing a lot about Japanese sword-making, which is also a serious admission of the lack of pussy in your teenage years that would lead you to study such things. I can tell you how to get a girl's panties around her ankles with Boone's Farm and a Journey record, but sadly not much about katanas. Please elaborate further. You two get your own thread! 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:02:28 PM EDT
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Well, if Steyr were still here..... It's not like he's dead. I don't keep track of our dearly departed across the internet. 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:02:55 PM EDT
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Look up Swordbuyersguide.com Should be a start.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:03:40 PM EDT
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I believe I remember cmjohnson posting at length about Japanese sword making at on point
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:03:58 PM EDT
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I see a lot of Japanese guys at gun shows buying Japanese swords to take back to Japan. They don't buy the WW2 military issue stuff, but only the real high-quality handmade blades from the 19th century and earlier.
Two things I have heard about Japanese swords in Japan: (1) They're expensive as hell. The Japanese view them as art objects that belong in Japan. (2) Even if you find one that you can afford, you need a special permit to possess it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:04:08 PM EDT
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Tag in case you bring back something cooool.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:04:23 PM EDT
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All I know is don't ever touch the blade with a bare hand. So I was told.
And they are expensive as fuck for a real one. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:04:26 PM EDT
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stupid double post
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:04:46 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. And authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. Yep. They range from $19.99 to almost $1 million, depending how much authenticity you want.
Since I can't go anywhere near five figures, I'll have to stick to the mid-fours. A very functional, durable, and authentic blade can be had for that, although it won't be winning any artistic contests, which suits me fine. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:05:03 PM EDT
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If you're paying less than $3000 for it, it's not authentic.
If you pick it up and you don't have an instant connection to the hamon, don't buy it. I'm sure there are other types of handles, but the traditional silk over rayskin is what you want. The blade will outlast 50 handles. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:05:23 PM EDT
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Any real one made in Japan by a reputable smith has to be registered as they are only allowed to make a certain amount in a given time period.
Oh, and it will cost you lots of cash. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:05:58 PM EDT
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All I know is don't ever touch the blade with a bare hand. So I was told. And they are expensive as fuck for a real one. Only silk or the body of an enemy. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:06:35 PM EDT
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I've never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express...
...but I HAVE seen Kill BIll.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:06:41 PM EDT
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Anxious to see who's proud of knowing a lot about Japanese sword-making, which is also a serious admission of the lack of pussy in your teenage years that would lead you to study such things. I can tell you how to get a girl's panties around her ankles with Boone's Farm and a Journey record, but sadly not much about katanas. I'm supposed to accept "love making" advice from some random guy from Ohio on the interweb. Just kidding! 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:06:42 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. Modern materials and manufacture can give you a working tool/weapon comparatively cheaply. Cheness 9260 Tool steel Katana |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:06:46 PM EDT
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Tag in case you bring back something cooool. I will definitely be posting pics when (and if) I score a good one. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:06:52 PM EDT
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Tag in case you bring back something cooool. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:06:57 PM EDT
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REAL examples are exceptionally expensive. Exceptionally.....
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:07:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: All I know is don't ever touch the blade with a bare hand. So I was told. And they are expensive as fuck for a real one. As long as you wipe it off before you put it up it will be fine. These things aren't stainless steel. If you're talking about it cutting you, that's bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:08:29 PM EDT
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All I know is don't ever touch the blade with a bare hand. So I was told. And they are expensive as fuck for a real one. As long as you wipe it off before you put it up it will be fine. These things aren't stainless steel. If you're talking about it cutting you, that's bullshit. Yep carbon steel, skin oils left on the blade over time will cause rust/damage. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:08:42 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. More like 10K. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:10:26 PM EDT
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Anxious to see who's proud of knowing a lot about Japanese sword-making, which is also a serious admission of the lack of pussy in your teenage years that would lead you to study such things. I can tell you how to get a girl's middle aged woman's panties around her ankles with Boone's Farm and a Journey record, but sadly not much about katanas.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:10:54 PM EDT
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I tried to get into doing a traditional polish in my knife making days.
Just a set of the basic stones ran me near a grand and that was about 8 years ago. Buying a sword made from tamahagane will be a very expensive journey. A lower ranked smith sword in shirasaya could run several thousand dollars (with the exchange rate now, who knows). Getting it mounted is another story. It is truely is an investment. I know that doesnt help but you can learn off Google more than I could type here. Oh, and about touching your blade. Spend a grand or 2 on a traditonal polish and see how you feel about touching the blade with your bare hand. It isnt done and to do so would show extreme disrespect and carelessness. Its about the details in the steel., the hamon and how it was crafted. Once you learn about the steel and underatnd the small range that swords are hardened in you get a strong sense of awe in how it is controlled. There are alot of American smiths that make them in the traditonal way, Louis Mills is a name that comes to mind. Search for forums that deal in the subject and I'm sure you will find what you seek. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:11:49 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. Modern materials and manufacture can give you a working tool/weapon comparatively cheaply. Cheness 9260 Tool steel Katana Perhaps, but if I'm going to haul my ass all the way to Japan, I'll be looking for the real thing (or as close as I can get within reason). |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:13:19 PM EDT
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Weapons, including swords are restricted in Japan. If I recall correctly swords are "registered" and must have their paper work attached to transport. If you are looking for a "real" sword you probably won't be able to walk into a knife shop and buy one. Also all the Japanese swords I know of from japan are from but a hand full of makers and cost several thousand dollars! I beleive there are only a hand full of sword makers in Japan, and they are made to order so to speak, taking weeks-months to build and last I read were back-logged months to have one made.
The majority of the folded steel swords worth buying available in the US are made by Paul Chen Hanwei and are in the neighborhood of $1,000+ for a Katana, and slightly less for a Wakizashi. There are a couple of US based makers that produce or sell the closest thing to a Japanese sword, and they are in the few to several thousand dollar range. My last research was about 5 years ago so consider my information a bit dated. I am not saying it will be impossible to buy a sword in Japan, but it will be extremely challenging most likely finding one for sale and at a price of a very expensive custom firearm for comparison. I doubt you will find anything comparable to the price of the Paul Chen Hanwei swords. I have a Paul Chen folded Katana and matching Wakizashi and it was over $2k for the pair about 5 years ago. I used to have a bunch of research where I was going to try and have one made and shipped here. It was on a computer that crashed and I lost it all. It was going to cost several thousand dollars. I was making big money at the time but that was before 2 years of unemployment and losing a ton in investments and the rest trying to not default on anything. I have given up on the thought of ever having one made. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:13:48 PM EDT
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What is the record price paid at auction for a real, old katana?
IIRC, a model from the 1300's sold for several million. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:14:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. Modern materials and manufacture can give you a working tool/weapon comparatively cheaply. Cheness 9260 Tool steel Katana Perhaps, but if I'm going to haul my ass all the way to Japan, I'll be looking for the real thing (or as close as I can get within reason). IF, and only IF you don't find one over there and still want one, heed the poster right above you and check out some US smiths. They make 'em every bit as authentic as the Japanese do if they're making their own Tamahagane. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:14:38 PM EDT
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There are laws in Japan about removing registered handmade blades from the country.
Know before you buy. Japanese court systems do not favor the defendant. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:17:21 PM EDT
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I don't think Steyr's that hard to get ahold of.
I read the 47th Samurai by Stephen Hunter and just from what he relates in the book, these kinds of things will not be easy to come by for the average joe..... Good luck OH yeah, check Pawn Stars in Vegas!!!!  |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:17:33 PM EDT
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Hope you have thousands of dollars to spend and several months to wait. After watching a program on how they are made be prepared for a long wait if they will even sell to a gaijin.
ETA: Reading fail. Your wife might be able to buy one if she is Japanese. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:17:52 PM EDT
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Just what I've run across while looking for a decent rapier. But I've not heard bad things about Hanwei
Also I've read that modern steel meets or exceeds the traditional folded metal design |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:18:40 PM EDT
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There's a place less than an hour from me, in NY. They make some really outstanding katanas and the like, and are visited by many many famous people. One of their regular customers, for example, is Henry Winkler. I can find you the info if you're interested.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:19:09 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. Modern materials and manufacture can give you a working tool/weapon comparatively cheaply. Cheness 9260 Tool steel Katana Perhaps, but if I'm going to haul my ass all the way to Japan, I'll be looking for the real thing (or as close as I can get within reason). That is unassing a lot of money for nostalgia and the perhaps 1-2% better a master swordsmith can make. A lot for an "eyes only" sword, kind of like a safe-queen rifle. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:22:48 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. Modern materials and manufacture can give you a working tool/weapon comparatively cheaply. Cheness 9260 Tool steel Katana Perhaps, but if I'm going to haul my ass all the way to Japan, I'll be looking for the real thing (or as close as I can get within reason). IF, and only IF you don't find one over there and still want one, heed the poster right above you and check out some US smiths. They make 'em every bit as authentic as the Japanese do if they're making their own Tamahagane. Fair enough. Thanks. 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:26:17 PM EDT
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I see a lot of Japanese guys at gun shows buying Japanese swords to take back to Japan. They don't buy the WW2 military issue stuff, but only the real high-quality handmade blades from the 19th century and earlier. Two things I have heard about Japanese swords in Japan: (1) They're expensive as hell. The Japanese view them as art objects that belong in Japan. (2) Even if you find one that you can afford, you need a special permit to possess it. Forget Japan. They even regulate airsoft now. A guy I work with is a real collector of these things. Yes, they are expensive. He will drop $1000 on a heavily oxidized blade. You will have better luck on ebay than anywhere else. Good swords are generally quite old (he refers to 18th century blades as "newer"). Moreover, there are only a few people here in the U.S. who are remotely qualified to polish and restore the blades. Try here? |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:27:27 PM EDT
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As has already been said, they are amazingly expensive, and that's just for the blade, which can take anywhere from a month to about a year to make, not even including the preparation that the smith has to go through for the proper inspiration for the blade.
Then there are all the laws that the Japanese have about their national treasures and keeping them in country. Trust me, and several others, just buy one from Hanwei or from Sword Buyers Guide and save yourself the hassle and money. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:28:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:29:01 PM EDT
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Japan has sword control now.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:29:06 PM EDT
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Anxious to see who's proud of knowing a lot about Japanese sword-making, which is also a serious admission of the lack of pussy in your teenage years that would lead you to study such things. I can tell you how to get a girl's panties around her ankles with Boone's Farm and a Journey record, but sadly not much about katanas. a true samurai dates girls who don't wear panties |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:31:01 PM EDT
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Yeah, I know this. An authentic made Katana would cost THOUSANDS of dollars. They're not a souvenir that every tourist can afford. Modern materials and manufacture can give you a working tool/weapon comparatively cheaply. Cheness 9260 Tool steel Katana Perhaps, but if I'm going to haul my ass all the way to Japan, I'll be looking for the real thing (or as close as I can get within reason). That is unassing a lot of money for nostalgia and the perhaps 1-2% better a master swordsmith can make. A lot for an "eyes only" sword, kind of like a safe-queen rifle. +1 You don't have to spend that kind of coin for a "Japanese blade" Find some decent sword in Japan that isn't insanely priced and use the rest of the money to go SEE Japan. Be a better experience IMO.
My profile pic is me in Japan
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:31:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Anxious to see who's proud of knowing a lot about Japanese sword-making, which is also a serious admission of the lack of pussy in your teenage years that would lead you to study such things. I can tell you how to get a girl's panties around her ankles with Boone's Farm and a Journey record, but sadly not much about katanas. This. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:32:05 PM EDT
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As has already been said, they are amazingly expensive, and that's just for the blade, which can take anywhere from a month to about a year to make, not even including the preparation that the smith has to go through for the proper inspiration for the blade. Then there are all the laws that the Japanese have about their national treasures and keeping them in country. Trust me, and several others, just buy one from Hanwei or from Sword Buyers Guide and save yourself the hassle and money. Yeah, Sword Buyers Guide, that's the other site I wanted to reference. I always forget to bookmark it |
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