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Posted: 9/6/2010 4:36:10 PM EDT
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=505987

Federal officials confirmed two Mexican military helicopter incursions took place in skies over Starr and Hidalgo County today but are asking the public not to be alarmed.

Local law enforcement officials were put on alert after a Mexican military helicopter was spotted in Alto Bonito and headed east into Hidalgo County.

Sources told Action 4 News tha tthe helicopter flew from Alto Bonito and then over Sullivan City and La Joya around 1 p.m. Thursday.

Officials with U.S. Customs and Border Protection Air and Marine Operations confirmed that there were two helicopter incursions –– one between 9 and 10 am. and then another at 1 p.m. Thursday.

Incursions Explained

Air and Marine Operations spokesman Juan Muñoz-Torres told Action 4 News that the agency was informed about the incursions by the Mexican government.

Muñoz-Torres said the public should not be alarmed by the incursions.

The Air and Marine Operations spokesman said that a long-standing agreement between the United States, Mexico and Canada allows for temporary incursions for medical or law enforcement purposes.

Rio Grande Valley residents have reported at least four Mexican helicopter incursions since March in communities along the border from Brownsville to Zapata.

Alto Bonito is located off U.S. Expressway 83 east of Rio Grande City and about two to three miles north of the Rio Grande river.

Muñoz-Torres said Mexican military helicopter have increased due to the ongoing drug war south of the border.

The Air and Marine Operations spokesman said Mexican military helicopters cross the border for intelligence purposes allowing officials to get another view or perspective of their target area.

"They are not performing operations in the United States," Muñoz-Torres said.

Local Law Enforcement Reacts

Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez told Action 4 News that he doesn't buy it.

Gonzalez said federal law enforcement officials did not inform local law enforcement officials about the incursions in today's incident and past incidents.

"They need to provide information to local law enforcement," Gonzalez said. "When people call us, we can tell them not to be alarmed."

Sheriff Gonzalez said Zapata residents witnessed a Mexican helicopter fly across Falcon Lake and hovering above a home there back in March.

Gonzalez said federal officials never provided an explanation for that incident or others.

Sheriff Gonzalez said he doesn't believe the Mexican helicopters are crossing to get a different angle or view of the Mexican said.

He said the helicopters in the Zapata incident and others are flying below the radar.

"If that's the case, they need to flya a little bit higher," Gonzalez said.

Muñoz-Torres said the agency is looking to improve communications about the incursions through interagency task forces.

He said the Mexican military has a liaison at an Air and Marine Operations facility in California.

"More education is needed," Muñoz-Torres said.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:41:13 PM EDT
Fuck education, more Stinger missiles are needed.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:41:27 PM EDT
Even their helicopters don't respect our borders.

In other news, sheriff Joe orders 50 Stinger missiles.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:42:23 PM EDT
Obama has a long mustache
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:43:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
Fuck education, more Stinger missiles are needed.


Hell a Garand will drop one almost as good as a stinger............Just sayin!
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:44:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Taboot:

Even their helicopters don't respect our borders.

In other news, sheriff Joe orders 50 Stinger missiles.





Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:45:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:45:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:46:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 4:46:51 PM EDT by fosters]
Any other country and they would have been "escorted" down to the nearest highway...but instead we just get told...Dont worry its ok...
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:46:49 PM EDT
They are just askin' for it, aren't they?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:47:32 PM EDT
Cartels flying in dope. Nothing to see here, no need to panic.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:48:16 PM EDT
With stories like this and lame replies such as those given by Federal authorities, it kind of makes the wild conspiracy theories about officials at the highest levels in US government being involved in drug smuggling not seem so wild. Our government refuses to seal the damn border and only makes lame excuses when Mexican aircraft violate our air space at low altitudes. So what the hell are we as citizens suppose to believe? Obviously someone is benefiting and it isn't folks like us. Stuff like this really makes you think.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:48:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
Fuck education, more Stinger missiles are needed.


Ya' know... first post and all
-SleeperShooter
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:49:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fosters:
Any other country and they would have been "escorted" down to the nearest highway...but instead we just get told...Dont worry its ok...


Last administration told us the same thing also
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:51:58 PM EDT
Col. John 'Hannibal' Smith: General Tuco, you are currently engaged in unauthorized warfare on United States Military Personnel.
General Javier Tuco: No no no no no no, you engaged me!
Col. John 'Hannibal' Smith: Repeat, you are engaged in unauthorized warfare on United States Military Personnel... over United States airspace.
General Javier Tuco: What?
Col. John 'Hannibal' Smith: Alpha. Mike.
Lt. Templeton 'Faceman' Peck: Foxtrot!
Col. John 'Hannibal' Smith: Foxtrot!
Lt. Templeton 'Faceman' Peck: In other words, adios mother
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:53:06 PM EDT
I believe things are about to get interesting....
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:55:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
With stories like this and lame replies such as those given by Federal authorities, it kind of makes the wild conspiracy theories about officials at the highest levels in US government being involved in drug smuggling not seem so wild. Our government refuses to seal the damn border and only makes lame excuses when Mexican aircraft violate our air space at low altitudes. So what the hell are we as citizens suppose to believe? Obviously someone is benefiting and it isn't folks like us. Stuff like this really makes you think.


Couldnt have said it better myself
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:57:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HAUK3:
Cartels flying in dope. Nothing to see here, no need to panic.

Beat me to it. Door-gunning dope-slingers.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:58:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
With stories like this and lame replies such as those given by Federal authorities, it kind of makes the wild conspiracy theories about officials at the highest levels in US government being involved in drug smuggling not seem so wild. Our government refuses to seal the damn border and only makes lame excuses when Mexican aircraft violate our air space at low altitudes. So what the hell are we as citizens suppose to believe? Obviously someone is benefiting and it isn't folks like us. Stuff like this really makes you think.



Yep...
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:58:43 PM EDT
If some rancher just "happens" to shoot one down, how the hell would the Mex Gummint explain what it was doing there?

Or have we given Texas back recently?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 4:58:55 PM EDT
Since the Federal Govt has all but legally seceded southern Arizona to the Mexicans maybe they thought they were
flying over their newly acquired territory.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:00:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FreeBear:
Originally Posted By Taboot:

Even their helicopters don't respect our borders.

In other news, sheriff Joe orders 50 Stinger missiles.







Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:00:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By justsayin:
I believe things are about to get interesting....


Right, because this is the first time something like this has happened and our Government has made it clear they will not tolerate any crossing of the border......
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:01:25 PM EDT
If it were confirmed by markings, etc, and it was fired on by concerned citizens, would it be a good shoot?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:02:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:03:52 PM EDT
Texas = norte mexico

i am sick of hearing about shit like this....if something doesn't change bad shit is gonna start happening
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:09:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
Fuck education, more Stinger missiles are needed.


1st post nails it
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:23:57 PM EDT
They are just checking to see if the Whitehouse has any balls. We have given them their inch and they are now taking their mile. It is going to continue to get worse. You guys are dreaming if you think there will be any retaliation against the Mexicans, either the Mexican Government or the Mexican drug cartels.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:29:49 PM EDT
Well how else are they going to drop cash or coke to there pickup guys?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:41:05 PM EDT
There was an article in Air&Space 15 or so years ago about a logging helicopter getting shot down with a broadhead arrow.

Group Buy on barrage balloons?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:52:27 PM EDT
Just using military helicopters to make the drug drop offs that American military helicopters refuse to make.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:56:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By realwar:
Well how else are they going to drop cash or coke to there pickup guys?

Video it.

Youtube it.

Sit back and watch the fireworks.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:01:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RANGER_556:
Obama has a long mustache


there is a fire at the travel agency.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:06:30 PM EDT
Suddenly, I appreciate my Canadian neighbors in a much greater fashion.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:09:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:10:08 PM EDT by flyfishnepa]
Originally Posted By 3Trip:
Originally Posted By RANGER_556:
Obama has a long mustache


there is a fire at the travel agency.


the tumbleweed has a flat
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:12:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By HAUK3:
Cartels flying in dope. Nothing to see here, no need to panic.

Beat me to it. Door-gunning dope-slingers.


To be fair, there's only about a 100% chance you are right.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:12:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:15:59 PM EDT by EXPcustom]
Now I am mad, they did it in California!

I don't know what type of dog and pony show they got running in Texas so I could care less about the incursion by Mexican helos over there but now they cross our border, its a problem.

ETA nevermind I thought the article meant the San Diego area when it said La Joya.

Carry on with the Texas airspace incursions.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:14:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:15:09 PM EDT by BlueJames]
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:25:42 PM EDT
Pass the stingers please.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:29:36 PM EDT
There's already 20 million or so of them already here illegally and these same folks are telling us not to worry.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 7:08:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WinstonSmith:
Fuck education, more Stinger missiles are needed.


Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:07:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AlaskaBob:
If it were confirmed by markings, etc, and it was fired on by concerned citizens, would it be a good shoot?


If they were in US airspace in accordance with a treaty the US has with Mexico (As the article says there is), then no. It would likely get you in trouble.

NTM
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:11:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
What are the legal ramifications for shooting down a mexican military helicopter over Sovereign US Airspace?

Federal prison for a very, very long time.


If the feds don't see an issue and keep turning the other cheek, well, you can only assume they support the Mexicans.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:16:21 PM EDT
I agree more education is needed.


How far do you lead a helicopter with a .50 at 1000m moving at cruising speed with a 15knot crosswind on a 45 degree angle?
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