Posted: 9/1/2010 9:07:04 AM EDT
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I know this is a long shot but i posted in the vmware forums and i know there are a few guys around here that can be helpful with IT related stuff so i figured what the hell.
I had been using vmware server 1 and installed server 2 recently on a small test network the problem is once installed the web interface will not open it gives unable to load page errors in IE 7 and mozilla. Also the vmware host agent and vss writer services will not start. for whatever reason the decided to go with a web interface only for server management instead of a server console interface. There is a lot of documentation out there but none of the fixes have worked so far any of you guys have similar issues? |
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I haven't messed with that horrible interface in a while, but IIRC it requires a certain version or higher of the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine, which MS stopped supporting a few years ago. It's a bitchy interface and sucks out loud even when it's working. I have it running on my laptop. I'll break that out and get you a version number or something. <–– Has been running VMware ESX professionally for almost four years |
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I haven't messed with that horrible interface in a while, but IIRC it requires a certain version or higher of the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine, which MS stopped supporting a few years ago. It's a bitchy interface and sucks out loud even when it's working. I have it running on my laptop. I'll break that out and get you a version number or something. <–– Has been running VMware ESX professionally for almost four years Thanks i would appreciate that i have been dicking around with this so long i cant even think straight right now i am ready to break out the hard drive sledge hammer on this POS server 
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Xenware give it a shot. I know this doesn't help with your question but we replaced everything that wasn't ESX with Xenware and it's a much better product for the price. I would be willing to give it a shot but this is just for a clinic my hospital just picked up and they dont want to spend any money on it so its either this or they get stuck with the old crap they have now.... |
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What OS are you running on the host?
Can you administer it through the VIC? (I don't think it will with the host agent down, but double check) A quick check of my services shows the VSS Writer is not started on my system that runs server 2.0 I too have found VMWare server to be fairly clunky. If this machine can be dedicated to the task, I'd highly recommend ESXi. (Been using VMWare Infrastructure for almost 4 years, we also use ESXi, server, workstation and fusion) |
OK, my laptop is running Vista Business SP 1 (  ) with IE 7, and Java 6 update 11 from Sun Microsystems.I suggest going to Sun's manual Java download page at http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and figure out which version fits your system. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I had the same issue on Linux. I moved it to Windows Server 2003 and it worked fine. What OS are you on? Server 2003 R2 its been a real pain in the butt. Microsoft has done some terrible things to Server 2003 in the last year or so, like disabling RDC directly to the console session. But I've had a lot fewer fatal compatibility issues with 2003 than I have with various flavors of Server 2008. BTW, the reason I'm running VMware Server on my laptop is so I can run a Windows XP Professional VM. I hate Vista like the plague, but it's required for a few things I'm doing. I should probably upgrade to Windows 7, but the thing is so icky I avoid using it unless it's absolutely necessary. |
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Xenware give it a shot. I know this doesn't help with your question but we replaced everything that wasn't ESX with Xenware and it's a much better product for the price. I would be willing to give it a shot but this is just for a clinic my hospital just picked up and they dont want to spend any money on it so its either this or they get stuck with the old crap they have now.... It's free  and it includes most of the features of ESX Enterprise. The only thing missing that I would like in the free version is P2V.
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Xenware give it a shot. I know this doesn't help with your question but we replaced everything that wasn't ESX with Xenware and it's a much better product for the price. I would be willing to give it a shot but this is just for a clinic my hospital just picked up and they dont want to spend any money on it so its either this or they get stuck with the old crap they have now.... It's free and it includes most of the features of ESX Enterprise. The only thing missing that I would like in the free version is P2V.well if i cant get this clunky piece of crap working i might try that i would have suggested something else already but my boss insists on using vmware. |
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OK, my laptop is running Vista Business SP 1 ( ) with IE 7, and Java 6 update 11 from Sun Microsystems.
I suggest going to Sun's manual Java download page at http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and figure out which version fits your system. thank you good sir i will try that out! |
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I had the same issue on Linux. I moved it to Windows Server 2003 and it worked fine. What OS are you on? Server 2003 R2 its been a real pain in the butt. Microsoft has done some terrible things to Server 2003 in the last year or so, like disabling RDC directly to the console session. But I've had a lot fewer fatal compatibility issues with 2003 than I have with various flavors of Server 2008. BTW, the reason I'm running VMware Server on my laptop is so I can run a Windows XP Professional VM. I hate Vista like the plague, but it's required for a few things I'm doing. I should probably upgrade to Windows 7, but the thing is so icky I avoid using it unless it's absolutely necessary. man you should really give 7 a shot i have been running 7enterprise since last September and it has been very easy to use, also you can download xp virtual machine and it runs all the apps you need that aren't compatible with vista or 7. I would have been driven to suicide if they had made me use vista two weeks longer. |
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Why aren't you using the infrastructure client? my boss threw me in to this yesterday and wants me to convert 1 ftp server to a virtual machine i am using vmware converter and vmware server haven't had much luck with either one i can get the server converted if i use the latest version of converter but anything besides that and i get to 95% then it fails out. Honestly i don't know enough about all the different vmware tools to know if the infrastructure client would be helpful or not. i hope that made sense my head is killing me right now and i have a killer caffeine high going on |
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Why aren't you using the infrastructure client? my boss threw me in to this yesterday and wants me to convert 1 ftp server to a virtual machine i am using vmware converter and vmware server haven't had much luck with either one i can get the server converted if i use the latest version of converter but anything besides that and i get to 95% then it fails out. Honestly i don't know enough about all the different vmware tools to know if the infrastructure client would be helpful or not. i hope that made sense my head is killing me right now and i have a killer caffeine high going on If you can try powering off the server you are trying to convert you may have more luck. Also, a P2V is not a guarentee, some servers are just so buggered up they dont convert. VMware also makes a cold migration tool you can use by booting the to be converted server up to this live CD. Ive only had problems with 2000 servers not converting, and typically theres been stability problems with them which is why I was trying to convert them in the first place. As far as a free product being better than ESX...yeah right. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Why aren't you using the infrastructure client? my boss threw me in to this yesterday and wants me to convert 1 ftp server to a virtual machine i am using vmware converter and vmware server haven't had much luck with either one i can get the server converted if i use the latest version of converter but anything besides that and i get to 95% then it fails out. Honestly i don't know enough about all the different vmware tools to know if the infrastructure client would be helpful or not. i hope that made sense my head is killing me right now and i have a killer caffeine high going on If the problem is that the web management interface isn't working, then the infrastructure client bypasses all that. I'm pretty sure it works in VMware Server 2, and not just vSphere. FYI, prior to posting I did some googling. VM Infrastructure Client does indeed work with VMware server 2, and is specifically cited as a work around for the flaky SSL and web-interface issues you describe. http://aaron-kelley.net/downloads/vmware-viclient/ Then use "https://[server]:8333” (just "[server]” won’t work). Then, the username and password are the same that you would use to log in to the web interface. |
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I use the VWware client for working with all of our servers.
I do know that the pervious versions of the client would use some NETframe to run. A MS update to NETframe killed the client. Newest client doesn't use it and the installer is 10 times larger. The version of the client I have is VMware-viclient-all-4.1.0-258902 and it is about 267MB. The most current version two weeks ago. To download the newest version of the client from their web page you have to have a valid registered product. |
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Why aren't you using the infrastructure client? my boss threw me in to this yesterday and wants me to convert 1 ftp server to a virtual machine i am using vmware converter and vmware server haven't had much luck with either one i can get the server converted if i use the latest version of converter but anything besides that and i get to 95% then it fails out. Honestly i don't know enough about all the different vmware tools to know if the infrastructure client would be helpful or not. i hope that made sense my head is killing me right now and i have a killer caffeine high going on If the problem is that the web management interface isn't working, then the infrastructure client bypasses all that. I'm pretty sure it works in VMware Server 2, and not just vSphere. FYI, prior to posting I did some googling. VM Infrastructure Client does indeed work with VMware server 2, and is specifically cited as a work around for the flaky SSL and web-interface issues you describe. http://aaron-kelley.net/downloads/vmware-viclient/ Then use "https://[server]:8333” (just "[server]” won’t work). Then, the username and password are the same that you would use to log in to the web interface. i will give that a shot right now, i was going to set up an ESXi server out of an 2003 exchange server that the clinic had but it seems to have miraculously disappeared. |
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Quoted: The documentation I was reading indicates that's the particular client version you want for VMware Server 2.0.2. Hope it helps.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why aren't you using the infrastructure client? my boss threw me in to this yesterday and wants me to convert 1 ftp server to a virtual machine i am using vmware converter and vmware server haven't had much luck with either one i can get the server converted if i use the latest version of converter but anything besides that and i get to 95% then it fails out. Honestly i don't know enough about all the different vmware tools to know if the infrastructure client would be helpful or not. i hope that made sense my head is killing me right now and i have a killer caffeine high going on If the problem is that the web management interface isn't working, then the infrastructure client bypasses all that. I'm pretty sure it works in VMware Server 2, and not just vSphere. FYI, prior to posting I did some googling. VM Infrastructure Client does indeed work with VMware server 2, and is specifically cited as a work around for the flaky SSL and web-interface issues you describe. http://aaron-kelley.net/downloads/vmware-viclient/ Then use "https://[server]:8333” (just "[server]” won’t work). Then, the username and password are the same that you would use to log in to the web interface. i will give that a shot right now, i was going to set up an ESXi server out of an 2003 exchange server that the clinic had but it seems to have miraculously disappeared. |
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The documentation I was reading indicates that's the particular client version you want for VMware Server 2.0.2. Hope it helps.
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Why aren't you using the infrastructure client? my boss threw me in to this yesterday and wants me to convert 1 ftp server to a virtual machine i am using vmware converter and vmware server haven't had much luck with either one i can get the server converted if i use the latest version of converter but anything besides that and i get to 95% then it fails out. Honestly i don't know enough about all the different vmware tools to know if the infrastructure client would be helpful or not. i hope that made sense my head is killing me right now and i have a killer caffeine high going on If the problem is that the web management interface isn't working, then the infrastructure client bypasses all that. I'm pretty sure it works in VMware Server 2, and not just vSphere. FYI, prior to posting I did some googling. VM Infrastructure Client does indeed work with VMware server 2, and is specifically cited as a work around for the flaky SSL and web-interface issues you describe. http://aaron-kelley.net/downloads/vmware-viclient/ Then use "https://[server]:8333” (just "[server]” won’t work). Then, the username and password are the same that you would use to log in to the web interface. i will give that a shot right now, i was going to set up an ESXi server out of an 2003 exchange server that the clinic had but it seems to have miraculously disappeared. well i tried that and read the documentation but it will not connect it gives an error saying connection failure occurred, i checked the server name and verified i was typing the credentials correctly its just not working. |
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Is there any error in the Microsoft event viewer (i.e. some service couldn't start, some port blocked by firewall, etc)? yeah there are a TON of vmware vss writer and host agent error those two services will not start the host agent has to be running in order for the server to open but i cant get it going to save my life. |
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Xenware give it a shot. I know this doesn't help with your question but we replaced everything that wasn't ESX with Xenware and it's a much better product for the price. I would be willing to give it a shot but this is just for a clinic my hospital just picked up and they dont want to spend any money on it so its either this or they get stuck with the old crap they have now.... It's free and it includes most of the features of ESX Enterprise. The only thing missing that I would like in the free version is P2V.well if i cant get this clunky piece of crap working i might try that i would have suggested something else already but my boss insists on using vmware. ESXi is VMware... it's the free version of the main enterprise product. VMware server is a much older product. Here is a chart showing some of the differences. You'll also get more performance out of ESXi since you don't need windows (or linux) as a base OS. The one downside is the need for your hardware to be compatible, the Hardware Compatibility List is here. |
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Xenware give it a shot. I know this doesn't help with your question but we replaced everything that wasn't ESX with Xenware and it's a much better product for the price. I would be willing to give it a shot but this is just for a clinic my hospital just picked up and they dont want to spend any money on it so its either this or they get stuck with the old crap they have now.... It's free and it includes most of the features of ESX Enterprise. The only thing missing that I would like in the free version is P2V.well if i cant get this clunky piece of crap working i might try that i would have suggested something else already but my boss insists on using vmware. ESXi is VMware... it's the free version of the main enterprise product. VMware server is a much older product. Here is a chart showing some of the differences. You'll also get more performance out of ESXi since you don't need windows (or linux) as a base OS. The one downside is the need for your hardware to be compatible, the Hardware Compatibility List is here. I know esxi was vmware i was talking about hyper-v, as i stated above i would have set up an ESXi server but the one i was going to use got "re purposed" this wouldnt be a problem usually but this is a clinic we just brought on board and nobody wants to spend money on them yet. I have never had as hard a time getting approved for 4-5 K for a server before it really is ridiculous there is some serious political BS going on. |
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Yes, many many, many similar issues. But the real fun started when we started loading down the guests with traffic.
Host loads would spike, never come down, backups of one guest would bury every guest and the host, etc etc. Started looking a bare metal solutions and ended up with Xen. No funky interfaces, unlimited control, I/O performance under load is 1,000X better. No wonder 90% of the cloud is Xen based. VMWare bought Zimbra, a perfect match. Both are the same pile of marketing horse shit that never works the way it's supposed to. Of course, the "free" versions are crippled intentionally in hopes everyone will upgrade to the $$$$ versions. Brilliant! Ditch it while you're ahead, otherwise it will consume much time migrating to something that actually works (ask me how I know). |
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Xenware give it a shot. I know this doesn't help with your question but we replaced everything that wasn't ESX with Xenware and it's a much better product for the price. I would be willing to give it a shot but this is just for a clinic my hospital just picked up and they dont want to spend any money on it so its either this or they get stuck with the old crap they have now.... It's free and it includes most of the features of ESX Enterprise. The only thing missing that I would like in the free version is P2V.well if i cant get this clunky piece of crap working i might try that i would have suggested something else already but my boss insists on using vmware. Could always convert the host over to CentOS and use the VMWare server on that, just move the guests off while you rebuild. Make sure you use something like vmkfstools to break the vmdk files down to 2G chunks or you'll have corruption issues if your temp holding space can't handle large files. Another option is if the hardware is compatible, switch over to ESXi. I've got that on a couple boxes here where the project couldn't fork over the money for the commercial license. It's pretty crippled compared to the commercial edition but it works. |
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Well just an update i got it working the server is up and everybody is happy the EMR is working again. The server has six physical drives RAID 0 configuration and two logical drives C: and D: nothing complicated i wanted to put it all on D: since it was a little over a terabyte and C: had around 40 GB with about 18 percent free space.
I got the bright idea to install the server on the C: drive and the shared images directory on the D: drive since that's where the bulk of the data is stored. It has worked perfectly ever since no issues at all i used the latest converter version got a clean conversion opened up the web interface and everything has been 100% since that time. I read a lot of documentation and have not seen anything saying it had to be installed on a certain drive but who knows maybe the fact i haven't had much experience with vmware was the issue here . |
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Quoted: We run a huge ESXi enterprise infrastructure spanning multiple data centers across the globe, and it straight up rocks. Even the neutered free versions are pretty good for simple stuff, but the good stuff does some amazing things and is worth the price.I tried to use VMware Server 2 a few times at my previous job, but it didn't run that well. The interface wasn't very good. Switched to ESXi on the desktop I used, and it worked great. |
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Quoted: No redundancy? Not mission critical data?Well just an update i got it working the server is up and everybody is happy the EMR is working again. The server has six physical drives RAID 0 configuration and two logical drives C: and D: nothing complicated i wanted to put it all on D: since it was a little over a terabyte and C: had around 40 GB with about 18 percent free space. I got the bright idea to install the server on the C: drive and the shared images directory on the D: drive since that's where the bulk of the data is stored. It has worked perfectly ever since no issues at all i used the latest converter version got a clean conversion opened up the web interface and everything has been 100% since that time. I read a lot of documentation and have not seen anything saying it had to be installed on a certain drive but who knows maybe the fact i haven't had much experience with vmware was the issue here . |
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No redundancy? Not mission critical data?
Well just an update i got it working the server is up and everybody is happy the EMR is working again. The server has six physical drives RAID 0 configuration and two logical drives C: and D: nothing complicated i wanted to put it all on D: since it was a little over a terabyte and C: had around 40 GB with about 18 percent free space. I got the bright idea to install the server on the C: drive and the shared images directory on the D: drive since that's where the bulk of the data is stored. It has worked perfectly ever since no issues at all i used the latest converter version got a clean conversion opened up the web interface and everything has been 100% since that time. I read a lot of documentation and have not seen anything saying it had to be installed on a certain drive but who knows maybe the fact i haven't had much experience with vmware was the issue here . I really hope that was a typo. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No redundancy? Not mission critical data?Well just an update i got it working the server is up and everybody is happy the EMR is working again. The server has six physical drives RAID 0 configuration and two logical drives C: and D: nothing complicated i wanted to put it all on D: since it was a little over a terabyte and C: had around 40 GB with about 18 percent free space. I got the bright idea to install the server on the C: drive and the shared images directory on the D: drive since that's where the bulk of the data is stored. It has worked perfectly ever since no issues at all i used the latest converter version got a clean conversion opened up the web interface and everything has been 100% since that time. I read a lot of documentation and have not seen anything saying it had to be installed on a certain drive but who knows maybe the fact i haven't had much experience with vmware was the issue here . I really hope that was a typo. Maybe he meant RAID 10. I hope. |
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No redundancy? Not mission critical data?
Well just an update i got it working the server is up and everybody is happy the EMR is working again. The server has six physical drives RAID 0 configuration and two logical drives C: and D: nothing complicated i wanted to put it all on D: since it was a little over a terabyte and C: had around 40 GB with about 18 percent free space. I got the bright idea to install the server on the C: drive and the shared images directory on the D: drive since that's where the bulk of the data is stored. It has worked perfectly ever since no issues at all i used the latest converter version got a clean conversion opened up the web interface and everything has been 100% since that time. I read a lot of documentation and have not seen anything saying it had to be installed on a certain drive but who knows maybe the fact i haven't had much experience with vmware was the issue here . I really hope that was a typo. Maybe he meant RAID 10. I hope. Nope you read that right, this clinics servers are a mess we just aquired them last month and just got our hands into their servers last week its been horrible. One headache after another the head physcian is trying to go head to head with my department head and is losing badly. Thats why they are not getting anything and also why i have had a headache for the better part of this week, they use the worst possible EMR software i have ever seen (eclinical) and from the looks of things they wont be getting rolled into our network anytime soon. They had seven servers at first one was set up to run backup exec connected to an old Dell powervault that has not performed a single successful backup since may of 2008, they were running a watchguard firewall that had only been configured to block incoming RDP requests, and to top it all off they have a six year support contract with an IT consulting firm out of Atlanta that was absolutley raping them on support costs and they cant get out of the contract, so we got stuck with that bill also. It sucks bad but atleast i have a some job security. |