[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why is it.... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/31/2010 7:38:22 PM EDT
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....That people here want to impose American values on the rest of the world, (I.E. puppy in river thread) but want to raise arms any time that the U.N. (or other international group or nation) wants to impose their values on America?
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....That people here want to impose American values on the rest of the world, (I.E. puppy in river thread) but want to raise arms any time that the U.N. (or other international group or nation) wants to impose their values on America? Just asking. Because we are right 
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Because We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Wheras most other nations imagine (wrongly) that rights are government-given, and are a blessing to the mere mortals to whom they are bestowed. |
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everyone is convinced they are right Is it as simple as that? Have these people never lived in another culture? Do most people here not realize that a majority of the world laugh at many of the things we do and consider normal? I embrace the MYOB idea in that if we don't try and change them, and they don't try and change use, there will be no problem. When we 4chan someone for doing something that is normal, (again, puppy thread) we only create hate for our nation. What is the good in that? |
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Because We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are createdequal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienableRights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit ofHappiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are institutedamong Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of theseends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and toinstitute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles andorganizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likelyto effect their Safety and Happiness.
Wheras most other nations imagine (wrongly) that rights are government-given, and are a blessing to the mere mortals to whom they are bestowed. Where is "thou shall not kill puppies" in the Declaration of independence, or Constitution? We have many values that are not god given. That is what I am talking about. |
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I think it's all a matter of perspective. As far as the "puppy in river thread", I think most people on opposite end of the argument fall into 2 categories:
1. those that weren't outraged by it, probably grew up on farms or in rural areas where their experience with animals revolves around hunting, raising livestock, and dealing with stray/feral/unwanted animals. My dad used to tell me how his first ever job was castrating pigs, and I can only imagine the outrage if they had internet/youtube/4chan back then, and footage surfaced of him cutting the testicles off of live baby pigs. My stepdad farms, and raises/slaughters/processes his own beef/pork and it's just a much different attitude about animals when you have that sort of lifestyle. There's not as much excitement over "puppies!" etc. I doubt they ever pitched any into a running stream, but it is a much different attitude. Cutting cows into much smaller pieces sucks, but after a while you just don't think about it as the cute baby calf that used to play in the meadow. It's just another job, and if you want to eat hamburgers and steaks until next year, you either do it or pay market prices. 2. those that were offended by it, probably grew up where their experience with animals was having domestic pets, and never had to see or deal with a feral or sick animal. I am not condoning or defending the girl throwing the puppies, my point is that people who were upset with it probably identify those puppies with pets they have or have had. So I think it's all perspective. I was reading the other day how disgusted other cultures are by our consumption of dairy products, some find that really disgusting. |
| Because I have no ability to impose my values on the rest of the world. But I can judge the world by my values. That is what human beings do. Female castration maybe "cool" in some cultures but I find it barbaric and disgusting.I know how dare I impose my values! |
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I'm confused. Are you comparing an emotional outcry over a deranged chick killing puppies with political views of the UN? I find a slight difference between encouraging humane behavior towards animals and that of the UN and say their worldwide gun ban. Maybe I'm not understanding the main post. |
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Because I have no ability to impose my values on the rest of the world. But I can judge the world by my values. That is what human beings do. Female castration maybe "cool" in some cultures but I find it barbaric and disgusting.I know how dare I impose my values! And what about male circumcision? We do it, but due to that advancement of clean running water, it is no longer necessary. Is that any less barbaric? You are still removing parts of the genitals. Your values depend on the normalcy's of where you live and are raised. What I am saying is, How are your values more right than theirs? |
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Because I have no ability to impose my values on the rest of the world. But I can judge the world by my values. That is what human beings do. Female castration maybe "cool" in some cultures but I find it barbaric and disgusting.I know how dare I impose my values! And what about male circumcision? We do it, but due to that advancement of clean running water, it is no longer necessary. Is that any less barbaric? You are still removing parts of the genitals. Your values depend on the normalcy's of where you live and are raised. What I am saying is, How are your values more right than theirs? Whose side are you on, son? 
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....That people here want to impose American values on the rest of the world, (I.E. puppy in river thread) but want to raise arms any time that the U.N. (or other international group or nation) wants to impose their values on America? Just asking. I for one don't want to impose shit on anyone, but as an american I'll voice my opinion on something I see as fucking cruel and sadistic, be it "only" drowning puppies. |
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Our values are right. Their values are wrong. Bingo! Fuck moral relativity straight in the shit pipe. Its funny how that used to be a given until fairly recently. The acceptance is inversely proportional to the retention of common sense. We have "cultures" around the world who think it's just fucking dandy to rape kids, mutilate women, fuck goats and behead nonbelievers....all before lunch. Folks can sip their mocha chai latte and reflect on the duality that is man all they want. I say fuck 'em and their relativistic horseshit. We're right, they're wrong. Some things really are just that simple. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Our values are right. Their values are wrong. Bingo! Fuck moral relativity straight in the shit pipe. Its funny how that used to be a given until fairly recently. The acceptance is inversely proportional to the retention of common sense. We have "cultures" around the world who think it's just fucking dandy to rape kids, mutilate women, fuck goats and behead nonbelievers....all before lunch. Folks can sip their mocha chai latte and reflect on the duality that is man all they want. I say fuck 'em and their relativistic horseshit. We're right, they're wrong. Some things really are just that simple. +1 |
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Listen, I'll accept a certain degree of moral relativity, but some things are flat-out evil no matter where you're from. That's all I'm going to say on that.
If it's okay for her to throw live puppies in a river because of "cultural differences", then I don't see how you can argue that it's not okay for me to kill her for it due to "cultural differences". |
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everyone is convinced they are right Is it as simple as that? Have these people never lived in another culture? Do most people here not realize that a majority of the world laugh at many of the things we do and consider normal? I embrace the MYOB idea in that if we don't try and change them, and they don't try and change use, there will be no problem. When we 4chan someone for doing something that is normal, (again, puppy thread) we only create hate for our nation. What is the good in that? Yes, it is that simple. The vast majority of people on this planet have never lived in another culture. All they know is what their own culture tells them is 'correct' and see the rest of the world through that lens. Humans, by our very nature, are very tribalistic culturally. This starts at the family level and goes up to the national level. Think about it - your self identity begins with how your parents raised you, and is then influenced by your friends, community, religious affiliation, region of the country you live in, etc, etc. which all adds up to your 'values'. 60 + years ago, the majority of people really didn't see much beyond their local community. Anything beyond that 'world' that was different was considered an oddity that rarely, if ever, affected them. However, due to the fact that we live in a technological age, where everyone can see everyone else and how they live the lines are blurred and these 'oddities' are now in your face. |
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hypocrites are very very common This. Hypocrites and Dick-tators. All want to tell other people what to do. As for killing puppies. Whatever. I have not yet, but I'm sure it is no more or less of a big deal killing fish, mice, snakes, lizards, chickens, etc. (I don't like dogs, they shed hair and stink) Americans pay taxes to send Soldiers to kill people, but get all misty eyes over dolphins and puppies. |
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Quoted: Quoted: hypocrites are very very common This. Hypocrites and Dick-tators. All want to tell other people what to do. As for killing puppies. Whatever. I have not yet, but I'm sure it is no more or less of a big deal killing fish, mice, snakes, lizards, chickens, etc. (I don't like dogs, they shed hair and stink) Americans pay taxes to send Soldiers to kill people, but get all misty eyes over dolphins and puppies. We send soldiers to liberate/save people not rape/pillage/enslave people. Nice comparison fail.  |
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I think it's all a matter of perspective. As far as the "puppy in river thread", I think most people on opposite end of the argument fall into 2 categories: 1. those that weren't outraged by it, probably grew up on farms or in rural areas where their experience with animals revolves around hunting, raising livestock, and dealing with stray/feral/unwanted animals. My dad used to tell me how his first ever job was castrating pigs, and I can only imagine the outrage if they had internet/youtube/4chan back then, and footage surfaced of him cutting the testicles off of live baby pigs. My stepdad farms, and raises/slaughters/processes his own beef/pork and it's just a much different attitude about animals when you have that sort of lifestyle. There's not as much excitement over "puppies!" etc. I doubt they ever pitched any into a running stream, but it is a much different attitude. Cutting cows into much smaller pieces sucks, but after a while you just don't think about it as the cute baby calf that used to play in the meadow. It's just another job, and if you want to eat hamburgers and steaks until next year, you either do it or pay market prices. 2. those that were offended by it, probably grew up where their experience with animals was having domestic pets, and never had to see or deal with a feral or sick animal. I am not condoning or defending the girl throwing the puppies, my point is that people who were upset with it probably identify those puppies with pets they have or have had. So I think it's all perspective. I was reading the other day how disgusted other cultures are by our consumption of dairy products, some find that really disgusting. I'll go with this. Westeran cultures tend to place a higher value on certain types of animals, like dogs. I've eaten Fido in Korea, pretty sure I've chowed on it in the PI and seen dogs raised in herds in the far east like we raise cattle, it's cultural thing, got no problem with it. Don't really see how dogs fit into a comparison to the Clusterfuck that is the UN. |
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Our values are right. Their values are wrong. Bingo! Fuck moral relativity straight in the shit pipe. The jean short wearing, mullet having gentleman from the great state of florida has it right. 
Thanks for dropping the moonshine jug and getting off your sister long enough to back me up! |
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Yes it is that simple...most people have a "NEED" to have someone to hate....this week its Mexicans/ Muslims, cops, military, last week it was Jews, week before it was blacks and so on, I seen so many threats here its not even funny, people calling each other stupid/idiots etc...you cannot have a dissenting opinion here or you will be attacked...its the right side of DU...........one of many things wrong with our society, entirely too much hate, this is simply a microcosm of society as awhole.... but that's just my opinion.....Quoted:
everyone is convinced they are right Is it as simple as that? Have these people never lived in another culture? Do most people here not realize that a majority of the world laugh at many of the things we do and consider normal? I embrace the MYOB idea in that if we don't try and change them, and they don't try and change use, there will be no problem. When we 4chan someone for doing something that is normal, (again, puppy thread) we only create hate for our nation. What is the good in that? 
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hypocrites are very very common This. Hypocrites and Dick-tators. All want to tell other people what to do. As for killing puppies. Whatever. I have not yet, but I'm sure it is no more or less of a big deal killing fish, mice, snakes, lizards, chickens, etc. (I don't like dogs, they shed hair and stink) Americans pay taxes to send Soldiers to kill people, but get all misty eyes over dolphins and puppies. We send soldiers to liberate/save people not rape/pillage/enslave people. Nice comparison fail. REALLY? An Army is to save people? You need an education, or you have a great reason to request a refund. Liberate and save... You might have well just compared a tomato to a suspension bridge. Rape, pillage, and enslave... That is what other countries Army do, but not ours. I'm still laughing at you. I suppose Armies don't kill people, we just do "soft-knocks" and ask people to come out so we can save them. I'd kill a puppy. What's gonna happen? Is Santa, the Easter bunny, Jesus, or the Great pumpkin gonna get upset with me? |
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Because I have no ability to impose my values on the rest of the world. But I can judge the world by my values. That is what human beings do. Female castration maybe "cool" in some cultures but I find it barbaric and disgusting.I know how dare I impose my values! And what about male circumcision? We do it, but due to that advancement of clean running water, it is no longer necessary. Is that any less barbaric? You are still removing parts of the genitals. Your values depend on the normalcy's of where you live and are raised. What I am saying is, How are your values more right than theirs? Not this shit again. |