[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Gun range problems (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/15/2010 10:59:00 PM EDT
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We all encounter jerks while were shooting. I have had a couple run ins with guys on the rifle range, far more then at the pistol line.
So where are the bigger jerks, rifle or pistol range? |
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It's a toss up, I really can't say with any accuracy. Usually people around here are okay; it's just the safety issues I'm worried about with some of them. I seem to run into more Mall Ninja's on the rifle range, though. They aren't assholes... the problem is they are TOO friendly.
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thing is most of the pistol ranges i go to are in doors. Almost like a mens bathroom everyone has on head phones and nobody talks to each other. IMO the outdoor range where people call the line hot and take off headphones is where the bs starts. It must be something about a nice spring day that says hey I think I am going to tell that kid about my NAM experience.
Private land is where its at. If you can find the cash go get you some acres |
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16 years ago my dad was dying and had a few days to live. He's been in the hospital for a while. He was a WWII vet and I admired his war stories.
Well, 2 days before he died, I needed to let off some steam, and grabbed the M1 in the gun safe. I wanted to shoot the hell out of it in his honor. I needed to phase out and get away from that damn hospital. I'm a member of a private club. It was around pre hunting season, the range was very busy. I waited for a bench to open up, and set up the rifle. Then I waited for a cease fire to go forward to set up a few paper targets. When we got the range is hot signal, I started shooting, a jerk to my right was bull shitting with a buddy. The M1 Garand was loud and he couldn't talk to his buddy over my shots. He gave me a ration of BS about my cases hitting on top of his bench. I apologized and unscrewed the gas plug and continued shooting the rifle, now working the bolt at if it was a bolt action. The cases were not being thrown to his bench any longer. He was not satisfied and started kicking cases on the floor around the bench at me to try to intimidate me. He wanted me to leave. Long story short, I wasn't in the mood and we almost got into a brawl. I was in damn good shape back then. It turned out to be 2 against one and they blinked first and left. I had back up and thanked the ones who had my back. This problem I learned later was brought up at the next board meeting and changes where brought forth. I have a few more, but I encounter them more on the rifle range. I don't know why but it is what it is. |
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Most of the idiots I see are at the rifle range. Usually bad muzzle control and things like that.
I've never had anyone bitch at me for noise, but I heard one fudd giving a guy a hard time over his FAL. It was exceptionally loud with the muzzle break. I was on the other side and it bothered me as well, but I sucked it up. One time at the pistol range some guy took his kid to shoot .22LR handguns. I was shooting my USP40C next to the kid and the kid was tripping over the noise. I think his had told him to suck it up. 
Almost every range here now is a fudd range since the bans. It's not they disallow semi-autos, it's just that I don't see a lot at the range anymore. I think people who have registered ARs don't want anyone to know they have them for fear of being followed home and robbed. 
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I do the membership for a "members only" Izaak Walton League shooting range. I go out of my way to make sure that alcoholics and short fuse crazy fucks don't make it through the joining process. If I hear about a confrontation I make sure the "perp" has problems with his gate access card and he won't get a renewal statement in the mail when his membership expires. I can personally guarantee that we have the friendliest shooting range in central Indiana. 
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I do the membership for a "members only" Izaak Walton League shooting range. I go out of my way to make sure that alcoholics and short fuse crazy fucks don't make it through the joining process. If I hear about a confrontation I make sure the "perp" has problems with his gate access card and he won't get a renewal statement in the mail when his membership expires. I can personally guarantee that we have the friendliest shooting range in central Indiana. [
Not to get off topic but is this range just north of terre haute looking for a closer range to shoot at. |
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I see more safety issues with pistols. What comes to mind is a guy trying to load his Glock magazines while holding two empty magazines, the gun, and a box of ammo all in his hands. Since he only had two hands instead of the five that would be needed for that stunt, he ended up sweeping everyone.
I don't think I've ever run into a true jerk at the range, but I have run into plenty of guys who made me go  . Someone standing way forward of the line shooting steel targets (Darwin candidate...) and some other guy who walked up and started talking my ear off about SHTF and all of the illegal stuff he was stockpiling.
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Quoted: Public ranges suck ass, in general. This is why I love Oregon. I can go into to the woods and blast away. Making sure of a safe backstop, and cleaning up after myself os course. Don't have to deal with range snobs. I have had a few "experiances" with mushroom pickers, pot farms and methcookers though.  But would take a thread by itself.
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Quoted: Public ranges suck ass, in general. Don't worry, you can pay for a private range and still have plenty of know-it-all assholes to deal with. Safety - without a range nazi there are infractions here and there but other than one very memorable time I've never had an "unsafe" range experience at the private clubs I have belonged to. However, what kills me is the wanna-be range nazi. The guy that makes shooting so miserable you leave. That guy usually can't wait for someone to show up so they can put down the gun they aren't really using to tell everyone else what they are doing wrong. He thinks he knows the range rules (they're hanging on the wall) but he starts adding addendum after addendum that doesn't exist. Or the guy (thread on this last week) that wants to give advice and but instead of being polite is just a rude asshole about it. For instance instead of being polite to a guy and some friends who were from Ireland he jumps right in to tell the Irish guys who were inexperienced shooters how bad they suck and here's what you need to do...then on top of that start telling them their home country sucks balls to their face and go back to shooting his AR. |
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I have yet to meet any range douches here. The only irritants I run into are the loaded pistol waving urban yutes who have no clues as to range safety. If I am at at the free public range, that will effectively end my range day. I'd rather pack it in than get shot by a ND or shot because I told some "gansta" to stop waving his "gat". |
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I go to a private club, where lots of local LEO's go. I have had very few encounters, but bad none the less. I am sure the offenders are not actual range members, but people who knew a club was there and just crashed the party.
One of them included firing there handgun while I was down range. I was full on hot, and unarmed down range, I made a bee line right to my bench grabbed my 1911 and flipped the fuck out. They apologized profusely, then left... Minutes later, of course, a few LEO's that I am friends with showed up. |
The range I go to is public and out in the middle of nowhere, so it's usually not very populated. The majority that I run in to (good or bad) tend to use the 25 yd range. I'm a MYOB shooter:i really don't like to be bothered and don't bother anyone else. I won't turn someone away if they stop to shoot the shit as long as they're not a doofus or annoying. I like getting the  from people, especially kid shooters when they see my ARs. That's the time to offer them a mag to shoot and educate them about the EBRs. That makes me . I have yet to have any Fudd experiences, thank god, as I'd probably blow a gasket arguing with some idiot about how his guns are ok but mine should be banned, etc.
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I range I go to has mostly .mil guys because if you want to use the on-post ranges, you have to register your weapons with the MP's.
I had my AK out once just plinking and before I started shooting, some douche came up to me as I put some light oil on it, (I always do this) and he proceeds to say, "Oh it's an AK. You don't need to put oil on it. Go over there, throw it in the dirt then come back." I laughed in his face, packed my AK and moved over to the pistol line (They're separated by a 6 foot dirt wall.) |
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Quoted: you obviously never shot any clay bird games, or you'd know that all the real boners hang out at the skeet/sporting clays area. Nonsense. Skeet and Sporting shooters are a cordial and accepting bunch. Truly they are. Trap shooters on the other hand are some of the most vile creatures to draw breath. As a lot they are angry, bitter, cantankerous, exclusionary, and most often corpulent. |
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It was a very crowded day before hunting season. All the fudds were checking the local store bore sighting service I guess.
I was at the far right bench to keep from throwin my brass everywhere At about the time there was 2x more people waiting than shooting... this bozo comes running from the parking lot like superman. He weighs close to 350 lbs. Had no idea a 100% fat dipshit could move that fast. I bet it was the downhill part. He was holding a bolt action rifle and yelling "THIS IS A NEW GUN, I HAVE NEVER FIRED IT" THe line had just been called hot I was still messing with some magazines of something to the side of the bench. He plops down on my seat (never slowed down a step), and fires a shot off my bag with the muzzle 5 inches fro my ear. I am now a little more deaf. I leave before getting into a fight with the man. He broke the bench. He was running with a loaded rifle. He nearly shot me in the head with a rifle. He is an idiot that deserves to be tortured for his stupidity. I am talking about giving him drugs to keep his fatass alive and enhance his ability to feel pain while I poke nerve endings with a needle and laugh. This fat f*cker needs to be taken out of the gene pool. I would bet anyone sharing his DNA most likely needs the same done. |
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There is no separation between the two at the range I go to.
Anyway, by far the biggest jerk I have encountered there is the RO. Other than having a general asshole attitude, I once heard him talking shit about me to another shooter because I was shooting a silhouette target at 10yds with my AR. Apparently you are a "fucking moron" if you check your close-range shooting(POI vs. POA) with a carbine. |
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I dont see other range patrons as assholes, just people God put here to learn from or maybe just amuse us.
There is tactical man: Real shiny type dude, can probably run a mile in 5.5 to 6 minutes, shows up with bloused BDU pants and a Glock in an OWB holster with his shirt tucked in so you have no choice but to notice it, depending on which one shows up it is either guy sporting full sleeves or guy who wears his badge on a neck chain. Both usually bring an M4ish like rifle and set up targets at ten or fifteen yards, shoot two full mags in as many minutes then look annoyed for the other twenty minutes till the range is cleared. There is internet commando man: Picture the comic book store guy from The Simpsons, can probably run the mile in 45 minutes. Weighs 340-360, sleeveless t-shirt, athletic shorts and pony tail. Lays down 8" groups with his scoped Dragunov from 25 yards. A/K/A level 21 virgin There is guy I would never fuck with: Early to mid sixties, probably runs the mile in 6 minutes, every day after breakfast, twice. Takes care of himself, close cropped gray hair. Sets up on the end bench with a stainless barrel NM AR. Looks like he gets 1.25"-1.75" groups with irons at 100 yards. Have a feeling this dude could disable me with my pen and restrain me with my shoe strings before I finished shaking his hand. There are guys like me: Usually shows up in pairs, average looking citizens, average looking hardware, average groups, can probably run the mile in 6-7 minutes but closer to ten carrying his BOB that you know he has at home. Typically happy if they do a little better than they did last week. Can easily be recognized because the last thing they do before they leave the range is throw the recipt in the garbage can so their wife doesn't know how much they spent on ammo today. |
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thing is most of the pistol ranges i go to are in doors. Almost like a mens bathroom everyone has on head phones and nobody talks to each other. IMO the outdoor range where people call the line hot and take off headphones is where the bs starts. It must be something about a nice spring day that says hey I think I am going to tell that kid about my NAM experience. Pretty solid theory. One time I was at the rifle range where two guys were having a hard time with a muzzleloader and had the thing pointed right at my side while futzing with the breech. The rabid range master quickly ran over and admonished them. Then one time I had a bunch of eastern bloc 7.62 and was blasting away with a Mini-30, causing the guy next to me keep jumping and saying "I just can't get used to that sumbitch." |
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I do the membership for a "members only" Izaak Walton League shooting range. I go out of my way to make sure that alcoholics and short fuse crazy fucks don't make it through the joining process. If I hear about a confrontation I make sure the "perp" has problems with his gate access card and he won't get a renewal statement in the mail when his membership expires. I can personally guarantee that we have the friendliest shooting range in central Indiana. Nice. I applied to the local chapter a couple months ago and have my confirmation meeting in 2 weeks. |
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Quoted: Or the guy (thread on this last week) that wants to give advice and but instead of being polite is just a rude asshole about it. For instance instead of being polite to a guy and some friends who were from Ireland he jumps right in to tell the Irish guys who were inexperienced shooters how bad they suck and here's what you need to do...then on top of that start telling them their home country sucks balls to their face and go back to shooting his AR. Yep, folks wired like this tend to be our (gun owners) worst enemy. They are plentiful, I've noticed. |
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There is guy I would never fuck with: Early to mid sixties, probably runs the mile in 6 minutes, every day after breakfast, twice. Takes care of himself, close cropped gray hair. Sets up on the end bench with a stainless barrel NM AR. Looks like he gets 1.25"-1.75" groups with irons at 100 yards. Have a feeling this dude could disable me with my pen and restrain me with my shoe strings before I finished shaking his hand. I don't shoot on public ranges anymore, but when I did there was this older man that would show up occasionally. He was really well dressed and would bring what I assumed were his grandchildren. He would sit back and not a say a word to anyone, not even the kids. They would be shooting .22s. About every 30 minutes he would go to the 50yd bench, pull a 44 mag from his coat, fire twice one handed and then go sit down again. He was a deadeye with that thing. The guy you never fuck with. |
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There is guy I would never fuck with: Early to mid sixties, probably runs the mile in 6 minutes, every day after breakfast, twice. Takes care of himself, close cropped gray hair. Sets up on the end bench with a stainless barrel NM AR. Looks like he gets 1.25"-1.75" groups with irons at 100 yards. Have a feeling this dude could disable me with my pen and restrain me with my shoe strings before I finished shaking his hand. lol, I know him, he is MSGT Waynick, USMC retired.
ETA: although I think he's 50's vs. 60's, otherwise that is an exact description. your hand would be broken during the handshake as well, and that's if he LIKES you. |
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I've had decent experiences at the local ranges, but I can't wait to see if I get membership in the private outdoor range this year.
The public ones are OK for the most part. I've only seen a few safety infractions that got me thinking about leaving. (Muzzle discipline.) You get the ceasefire BS'ers but I usually go with a friend and try to stay MYOB. You get some interesting guys, like the ones that load their AR mags frantically and mag dump a couple times, then pack and leave. Three guys shooting one Hi-Point at a leftover target at 50 yards. Now that I am getting more in to long range I've noticed as I proceed from the pistol range, to the rifle range, to the high powered rifle range things get a lot more refined. When you set up next to a guy with a spotting scope that costs more than my optic, a logbook and a chrono you know it's going to be a mellow experience down there. Fortunately there are a couple of EBR folks that join me down there so we don't get brow beaten by the bolt guys. |
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Public ranges suck ass, in general. Don't worry, you can pay for a private range and still have plenty of know-it-all assholes to deal with. Safety - without a range nazi there are infractions here and there but other than one very memorable time I've never had an "unsafe" range experience at the private clubs I have belonged to. However, what kills me is the wanna-be range nazi. The guy that makes shooting so miserable you leave. That guy usually can't wait for someone to show up so they can put down the gun they aren't really using to tell everyone else what they are doing wrong. He thinks he knows the range rules (they're hanging on the wall) but he starts adding addendum after addendum that doesn't exist. Or the guy (thread on this last week) that wants to give advice and but instead of being polite is just a rude asshole about it. For instance instead of being polite to a guy and some friends who were from Ireland he jumps right in to tell the Irish guys who were inexperienced shooters how bad they suck and here's what you need to do...then on top of that start telling them their home country sucks balls to their face and go back to shooting his AR. Slip one of these in your range bag. 
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Quoted: I dont see other range patrons as assholes, just people God put here to learn from or maybe just amuse us. There is tactical man: Real shiny type dude, can probably run a mile in 5.5 to 6 minutes, shows up with bloused BDU pants and a Glock in an OWB holster with his shirt tucked in so you have no choice but to notice it, depending on which one shows up it is either guy sporting full sleeves or guy who wears his badge on a neck chain. Both usually bring an M4ish like rifle and set up targets at ten or fifteen yards, shoot two full mags in as many minutes then look annoyed for the other twenty minutes till the range is cleared. There is internet commando man: Picture the comic book store guy from The Simpsons, can probably run the mile in 45 minutes. Weighs 340-360, sleeveless t-shirt, athletic shorts and pony tail. Lays down 8" groups with his scoped Dragunov from 25 yards. A/K/A level 21 virgin There is guy I would never fuck with: Early to mid sixties, probably runs the mile in 6 minutes, every day after breakfast, twice. Takes care of himself, close cropped gray hair. Sets up on the end bench with a stainless barrel NM AR. Looks like he gets 1.25"-1.75" groups with irons at 100 yards. Have a feeling this dude could disable me with my pen and restrain me with my shoe strings before I finished shaking his hand. There are guys like me: Usually shows up in pairs, average looking citizens, average looking hardware, average groups, can probably run the mile in 6-7 minutes but closer to ten carrying his BOB that you know he has at home. Typically happy if they do a little better than they did last week. Can easily be recognized because the last thing they do before they leave the range is throw the recipt in the garbage can so their wife doesn't know how much they spent on ammo today. I saw this guy this weekend. NM AR with OD green furniture and leather sling. Scary as hell. |
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I dont see other range patrons as assholes, just people God put here to learn from or maybe just amuse us. There is tactical man: Real shiny type dude, can probably run a mile in 5.5 to 6 minutes, shows up with bloused BDU pants and a Glock in an OWB holster with his shirt tucked in so you have no choice but to notice it, depending on which one shows up it is either guy sporting full sleeves or guy who wears his badge on a neck chain. Both usually bring an M4ish like rifle and set up targets at ten or fifteen yards, shoot two full mags in as many minutes then look annoyed for the other twenty minutes till the range is cleared. There is internet commando man: Picture the comic book store guy from The Simpsons, can probably run the mile in 45 minutes. Weighs 340-360, sleeveless t-shirt, athletic shorts and pony tail. Lays down 8" groups with his scoped Dragunov from 25 yards. A/K/A level 21 virgin There is guy I would never fuck with: Early to mid sixties, probably runs the mile in 6 minutes, every day after breakfast, twice. Takes care of himself, close cropped gray hair. Sets up on the end bench with a stainless barrel NM AR. Looks like he gets 1.25"-1.75" groups with irons at 100 yards. Have a feeling this dude could disable me with my pen and restrain me with my shoe strings before I finished shaking his hand. There are guys like me: Usually shows up in pairs, average looking citizens, average looking hardware, average groups, can probably run the mile in 6-7 minutes but closer to ten carrying his BOB that you know he has at home. Typically happy if they do a little better than they did last week. Can easily be recognized because the last thing they do before they leave the range is throw the recipt in the garbage can so their wife doesn't know how much they spent on ammo today. I saw this guy this weekend. NM AR with OD green furniture and leather sling. Scary as hell. Sounds like a retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. sniper. I wouldn't piss him off either.
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