Posted: 7/30/2010 5:50:25 AM EDT
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When shooting the El Presidente drill, are you supposed to reload from slide lock?
Or, is it at shooter's discretion? |
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The El Presidente http://64.29.201.168/Expert_Advice/Drills/elpresidente.htmlPerhaps the most famous combat pistol drill is the El Presidente drill, developed by Jeff Cooper in the 1970s and published in the January/February 1979 issue of American Handgunner magazine. This is still used as a benchmark to gauge a shooter's skills, as it tests the draw and reload, and requires good transitions and follow-through. The El Presidente drill is set up as follows:
Scoring varies; the simplest method uses hit/miss scoring, with a time penalty (often 10 seconds) for each miss. El Presidentes scored under the IPSC Comstock system take the total number of points on the targets (possible 60 points) and divide that by the time taken to complete the drill. This generates a number called "hit factor" which is a numerical representation of how many points the shooter placed on target per second during the drill. Example: shooting 55 points in 5.5 seconds would give the shooter a 10.0 hit factor. Originally a time of 10 seconds with a stock handgun, and all the points on target, was considered good. Today shooters using modern IPSC raceguns with muzzle brakes and red dot sights are close to breaking the three second barrier, and even shooters using street-type guns with no muzzle brakes or optical sights routinely break the five second mark.[url=#cite_note-0][1][/url]
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At start, turn then draw and engage each target (3) with only two rounds each. perform a mandatory reload and reengage each target with only two rounds each.
No slide lock or charging involved. Edit to add: IPSC/USPSA does not limit the number of rounds in a mag., only the number fired. |
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Quoted: Not by my reading , you can fire 5 reload , fire 7 Jeff Cooper invented it, so he gets to say: Head said he can remember Cooper riding his three-wheeler down to the range while a group of students ran through this drill. He would say, "Ed, they aren’t doing it right.” Cooper had been listening to the cadence of the shots being fired from up at his house. According to Cooper, properly done, it should sound like six evenly spaced shots, a pause for the reload and six more evenly spaced shots. Not three separate double-taps with a reload pause, then three more distinct double taps. So, Colonel Cooper says its six evenly spaced shots. Not "5 reload, then 7". He made it up. He's the final authority. Anything else is a "semi-El Presidente" or a "insert-name-here" drill. And its set-up for 6 shots so that its the same for revolvers or 1911s (and them other automatics). |
Well, I shot it today; however, my revolver never got to slide lock.![]() As others have said, you start with six rounds, that makes is revolver neutral. On a side note: if I am forced to weak hand only, and you are 15 yards or greater away from me; relax, you are in no danger. |
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DAYUM!! Now see, I often see folks shooting that inspire me to train harder.
THEN I SEE SOMETHING like that; and I just sigh! |
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Quoted:
DAYUM!! Now see, I often see folks shooting that inspire me to train harder.
THEN I SEE SOMETHING like that; and I just sigh! If it makes you feel better, he missed one.
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Holy Crap! As an aside, a drill we run at my local club is "El Mozambique". Three IPSC targets, each gets two to the body and one to the head, reload, and another two to the body and one to the head on each target. 18 shots, Virginia count. We've run it as a three-part stage. First part is at 13 yards, two handed. Second part is at 10 yards, dominant hand only. Third part is at 7 yards, support hand only. |
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That's crazy shooting. If you can do it in 7 you're a player. 3 is insane. My best ever is a little over 10. . I suck at the reloading.
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