Posted: 7/19/2010 9:05:17 AM EDT
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So what do you do in a similar situation? Poll inbound. ETA: And for the tactical gods out there, yes. You let your guard down that one time in a bajillion, and find yourself with a gun to the back of your head. |
| Should have had better situational awareness. Once the gun is to your head it's a little late. Also looks like they kind of patted him down for stuff. A gun in your belt might not go over well. They would definitely steal it, and I'd say quite possibly shoot you. |
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Give them all my stuff, emptying pockets..acting terrified and scared. Then blast away as they left.
Don't let them put their hands on me and start taking stuff, because... If they find my piece, I guess I'd have to go all in. Not letting them disarm me. Notice the rosary that mouth breathing idiot was wearing? 
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I don't see a problem.
A couple of underpriveleged youths redistributing the wealth.Kudos for their initiative in getting rid of the middleman. Happens to me EVERY FUCKING DAY.Granted I "willingly" give up my hard earned money to the government so they can facilitate the redistribution of it,and as long as I keep paying,they don't actually hold a gun to my head....................... |
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Quoted: Teenage scum, just doin there thing until tax payers give them 3 hots and a cot. Disgusting. Oh c'mon now, it's not that simple... There will be years of welfare, and then thousands upon thousands more in intervening medical and legal bills before they get to the low-cost portion of their subsidized lives. The officer who finally books 'em will be labeled a racist, and some group or another of community activists will waste a lot of time and goodwill figuring out who to blame for their behavior. As far as the video goes, yeah, you're fucked once the gun's on your temple. It's less likely to happen to someone paying close attention to their surroundings, but don't kid yourself, if you go out in public it's possible. If you insist on fighting immediately, I'm not sure what the options are. I'd like to think you'd be better off trying to turn out of the muzzle and get control of the weapon - offender didn't look terribly built, even if he's 6-foot I doubt he's much over 160 - but even still, 3 on 1, it's a tall order. You're pretty much fucked. |
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Comply. I let my guard down. They had best not do the same as they walk away. PFC-Demon: Nothing says I am displeased with your actions like a gunshot wound to the face. Once the armed punk turns around and starts to run away you have to ask yourself, is he still a threat? I wouldn't shoot someone that was running away in the back. |
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Teenage scum, just doin there thing until tax payers give them 3 hots and a cot. Disgusting. Oh c'mon now, it's not that simple... There will be years of welfare, and then thousands upon thousands more in intervening medical and legal bills before they get to the low-cost portion of their subsidized lives. The officer who finally books 'em will be labeled a racist, and some group or another of community activists will waste a lot of time and goodwill figuring out who to blame for their behavior. As far as the video goes, yeah, you're fucked once the gun's on your temple. It's less likely to happen to someone paying close attention to their surroundings, but don't kid yourself, if you go out in public it's possible. If you insist on fighting immediately, I'm not sure what the options are. I'd like to think you'd be better off trying to turn out of the muzzle and get control of the weapon - offender didn't look terribly built, even if he's 6-foot I doubt he's much over 160 - but even still, 3 on 1, it's a tall order. You're pretty much fucked. That kids finger was on the trigger and the hammer was cocked-you'd be hamburger in a split second..........anyone know what that gun was?? |
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Comply. I let my guard down. They had best not do the same as they walk away. PFC-Demon: Nothing says I am displeased with your actions like a gunshot wound to the face. Once the armed punk turns around and starts to run away you have to ask yourself, is he still a threat? I wouldn't shoot someone that was running away in the back. With your hand on your gun, you can kindly ask for your stuff back. |
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Comply. I let my guard down. They had best not do the same as they walk away. PFC-Demon: Nothing says I am displeased with your actions like a gunshot wound to the face. Once the armed punk turns around and starts to run away you have to ask yourself, is he still a threat? I wouldn't shoot someone that was running away in the back. Yes. He still has a gun and could decide to turn around or come back to your apartment at any time considering he knows where you live. |
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Comply. I let my guard down. They had best not do the same as they walk away. PFC-Demon: Nothing says I am displeased with your actions like a gunshot wound to the face. Once the armed punk turns around and starts to run away you have to ask yourself, is he still a threat? I wouldn't shoot someone that was running away in the back. With your hand on your gun, you can kindly ask for your stuff back. At that point they would certainly turn to engage you. I still don't know if it is worth the risk. ETA: Though I would probably risk it. |
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Comply. I let my guard down. They had best not do the same as they walk away. PFC-Demon: Nothing says I am displeased with your actions like a gunshot wound to the face. Once the armed punk turns around and starts to run away you have to ask yourself, is he still a threat? I wouldn't shoot someone that was running away in the back. Yes. He still has a gun and could decide to turn around or come back to your apartment at any time considering he knows where you live. So legally you should be able to find where he lives, go into his home and shoot him? Because after all, he COULD come back after you one day? Good luck trying to explain that rationale to a jury. Dirt bag or not, that's considered murder. |
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Quoted: A quick "hey assholes" would probably turn em around again. Just saying, ya know so you could continue the dialogue.Quoted: Comply. I let my guard down. They had best not do the same as they walk away. PFC-Demon: Nothing says I am displeased with your actions like a gunshot wound to the face. Once the armed punk turns around and starts to run away you have to ask yourself, is he still a threat? I wouldn't shoot someone that was running away in the back. |
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Comply. I let my guard down. They had best not do the same as they walk away. PFC-Demon: Nothing says I am displeased with your actions like a gunshot wound to the face. Once the armed punk turns around and starts to run away you have to ask yourself, is he still a threat? I wouldn't shoot someone that was running away in the back. Yes. He still has a gun and could decide to turn around or come back to your apartment at any time considering he knows where you live. So legally you should be able to find where he lives, go into his home and shoot him? Because after all, he COULD come back after you one day? Good luck trying to explain that rationale to a jury. Dirt bag or not, that's considered murder. Once the assailant is clearly gone, then no. |
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Would have to go for my gun immediately. They'd find it while patting me down, which they did, of course. You don't wanna be armed when they get the drop on you; they will then realise that if you had seen them coming they'd be eating lead. That makes them angry and they are likely to kill you in retaliation for being prepared to defend yourself.
The criminal has fucked up by getting so close, and the gun could be deflected upwards easily (it is much easier to push an arm up then bring it back down) allowing you to shoot the guy who is armed. You'd just have to roll the dice and hope that action beats reaction :( Hopefully when you put 3-4 rounds into the guy with the pistol he will flee or at least lose control of his weapon, then you can turn to the other 2 who seem to be unarmed.... and hope they really are unarmed. On the down side, he probably didn't even know which of them was/wasn't armed because they were behind him for the entire time. A situation like that, I figure i'm already dead, they just don't want to get covered in blood trying to get my stuff off of my corpse. Desperate situation indeed. Shit would go down real fast and it's doubtful you are getting out of that one without being shot. |
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Assuming a colossal awareness fail on my part...
I'd comply so long as it was just what they did there, go through my stuff and then leave me. If they went for my wife or got more aggressive I'd do what I could to block the tall guy's gun hand (didn't see guns with the shorter guys) and go for my own piece... ...Of course this took place in NY so I probably legally couldn't have my piece on me. 
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1. Don't let people get that close to you
2. Don't let yourself get backed into a corner like that 3. Generally when your first clue that something is amiss happens when the gun comes out, a good strategy is to remain as sheep-like and compliant as possible while you work your way to your weapon. "Ok, ok man! Here's my wallet, man! It's all yours! Just please don't hurt me!" Then you do what you have to do. Generally try and keep to the outside of the gun, as that makes it harder for him to shoot you. If you can get to the outside of his gun and perhaps pull out a small fixed blade knife which you proceed to work like a sewing needle, that guy's going to get fucked up. Go to a Southnarc class sometime. You'll find out that you have a lot more options in a situation like that than you think. |
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It can be done. Starting at 1:00 in this video: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=eAl851Oxuwo My sensei teaches Systema in addition to traditional martial arts. All I'm saying is there are techniques against any attack. Not a situation I'd want to be in though. 
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1. Don't let people get that close to you 2. Don't let yourself get backed into a corner like that 3. Generally when your first clue that something is amiss happens when the gun comes out, a good strategy is to remain as sheep-like and compliant as possible while you work your way to your weapon. "Ok, ok man! Here's my wallet, man! It's all yours! Just please don't hurt me!" Then you do what you have to do. Generally try and keep to the outside of the gun, as that makes it harder for him to shoot you. If you can get to the outside of his gun and perhaps pull out a small fixed blade knife which you proceed to work like a sewing needle, that guy's going to get fucked up. Go to a Southnarc class sometime. You'll find out that you have a lot more options in a situation like that than you think. this is the correct response. i voted "poo myself" though... 
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It can be done. Starting at 1:00 in this video: http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=eAl851Oxuwo My sensei teaches Systema in addition to traditional martial arts. All I'm saying is there are techniques against any attack. Not a situation I'd want to be in though.
Be aware that disarm techniques often look a lot more spectacular when the training weapon can't go boom. Things tend to look a wee bit different when you run the same drills with simunitions guns that actually fire. |
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Once of the gun is drawn and at your head like that it's damn late. You got to be aware of what's going on around, alert to know if someone's following you and plan out your actions. This guy seems like he was a completely unaware sheep. Consciously living in that shithole NY city, someone already puts themselves in a den of wolves, but than to be unconscious to your surroundings is just plain stupid on a higher level. I don't feel sorry for the guy at all or anyone in NYC who this happens to. |
| its hard to tell. by the time the gun was on his head I am not sure there is anything he can do. there had to be a opening before it got to that to draw your gun. if they would have started pushing their way in with you I would have fought back. slapping the gun away while going for mine. that way they were reacting to me, not me reacting to them. once they pushed you inside, they mean to kill you. so I say go out fighting no matter what. in that situation you need to be prepared to be shot and fight for your life like never before.there was a few time the gun man looked away. he was close enough that you could get get control of his weapon long enough to get some shots off in his gut with yours. hopefully you have been practicing your retention shooting drills. |
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Considering this is NYC, nothing because I am not armed. It's illegal.
However if I am armed or not, having a gun pressed up against your head is a whole lot easier to defeat than one 4 feet away. I would have tried to turn and face the guy as best I could and then and then quickly move my head out of the way and then gain the inside advantage, get the gun pointed past me and start shooting the guy with the gun first. Many people in this situation comply and then get shot. I'm not ion favor of being compliant. The one time I had a knife against my throat and the scum demanded my wallet, he didn't get my wallet. |
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Would have to go for my gun immediately. They'd find it while patting me down, which they did, of course. You don't wanna be armed when they get the drop on you; they will then realise that if you had seen them coming they'd be eating lead. That makes them angry and they are likely to kill you in retaliation for being prepared to defend yourself. The criminal has fucked up by getting so close, and the gun could be deflected upwards easily (it is much easier to push an arm up then bring it back down) allowing you to shoot the guy who is armed. You'd just have to roll the dice and hope that action beats reaction :( Hopefully when you put 3-4 rounds into the guy with the pistol he will flee or at least lose control of his weapon, then you can turn to the other 2 who seem to be unarmed.... and hope they really are unarmed. On the down side, he probably didn't even know which of them was/wasn't armed because they were behind him for the entire time. A situation like that, I figure i'm already dead, they just don't want to get covered in blood trying to get my stuff off of my corpse. Desperate situation indeed. Shit would go down real fast and it's doubtful you are getting out of that one without being shot. Reading that last part reminds me of the elevator shooting scene in "Smoking Aces"................. |
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Quoted: Give them all my stuff, emptying pockets..acting terrified and scared. Then blast away as they left. Don't let them put their hands on me and start taking stuff, because... If they find my piece, I guess I'd have to go all in. Not letting them disarm me. Notice the rosary that mouth breathing idiot was wearing? BIG +1 |
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Watching the video again, looks to me like the best time to engage, would have been as soon as the man with the gun looks down. I would *think* that one could have done a kind of back hand swim technique to get in between the bad guy and his weapon. Too bad if your right handed, you would not be able to draw and fire. |