[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Help me help a libtard (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/2/2010 11:11:43 AM EDT
So here's the deal. My girlfriends ex-husband is having a hard time understanding the reason why I have guns and why I carry one. They have 3 children together, and as a father myself I understand his concern for safety. I have been trying to oblige him with his requests so he can feel confident his children are safe around me and in my home. His first request was he wanted to see the specs on my safe. No problem, done. Now he wants me to have a session in his shrinks office to discuss the matter. Hmmmmm. Ok. I said yes. I care about these children so in return I should care about him to an extent. He comes from a very liberal family and lives in New Jersey (I'm in PA,thank the Lord). He has also never even held a gun let alone shoot one. I already plan to invite him for a day at the range.
Has anyone here been in a similar situation? The help I'm asking for is for any advice or links to facts/stats that could be helpful in educating him that guns are not the evil downfall of American society that the media makes them out to be. Bailing is not an option. Help me fix stoopid. 
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Yes, I would either tell him to pound sand or make it conditional that I will agree to visit some dope he wants to visit if he will agree to come to the gun range with me, in the name of peacemaking.
In fact, gun range first. Most libtard thoughts are born of ignorance. Bring a heavy trigger revolver that's easy to understand and hard to have problems with, if you have one, as that will be the easiest to set his mind at ease with and get him some trigger time with little need for anything other than "put bullets in the holes", "lock the cylinder in" and "pull the trigger". |
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Quoted: Now he wants me to have a session in his shrinks office to discuss the matter. Hmmmmm. Ok. I said yes. Yeah, I'm going to have to say that might not be a good idea. A better idea might be to tell him to go pound sand. eta: damn...I'm too slow...even pound sand was used twice already....guess I should read the whole thread before posting
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Fuck him. I'd never would have told him dick about a safe i may or may not have and I for damn sure wouldn't be meeting with HIS fucking shrink. Jesus H. Christ, man up and tell him to pound sand. fuck that noise. do not voluntarily undergo a psych eval. which is what you would be doing whether you realized it or not, and if the psych is a libtard you may lose by default. fuck. that.noise. range trip if he wants you do demonstrate safety. |
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tell him that the statistics for gun accidents in homes where gun culture is taught rather than hidden is less than half a percent of all gun accidents. same goes for future gun criminals. Tell him that you will have guns and you will keep them safe but recomend that when the children are old enough he allows them to be taught how to use guns and gun safety. It is the number one way to prevent them from ever having a gun accident. Kids in homes with no guns are more likely to die in a gun accident than kids who have them at home but have been taught the serious responsibility of gun ownership. Later tonight when I have more time Ill try and find the statistics for you to show him if someone else here hasn't already. |
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My girlfriend's ex-husband doesn't like that I have guns in the house.
I told her to tell him his concerns have been noted. She told me she laughed at him and told him their daughter knows more about safe gun handling than he does. (she's 7, BTW, and knows how to clear a weapon safely.) |
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Quoted: DO NOT NOT NOT GO TO THE SHRINK. THEY HAVE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS TO "REPORT" UNSTABLE PEOPLE. HER OPINION IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS AS TO ANYONES MENTAL INSTABILITY. fuck that guy. no shit. this guy may have already planted numerous seeds into the shrinks head about you and the shrink will not be giving an open minded session but a fucking witch hunt. You know how liberals draw conclusions not based on reality but what they wish it to be. tell him to pound sand on the shrink |
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So here's the deal. My girlfriends ex-husband is having a hard time understanding the reason why I have guns and why I carry one. They have 3 children together, and as a father myself I understand his concern for safety. I have been trying to oblige him with his requests so he can feel confident his children are safe around me and in my home. His first request was he wanted to see the specs on my safe. No problem, done. Now he wants me to have a session in his shrinks office to discuss the matter. Hmmmmm. Ok. I said yes. I care about these children so in return I should care about him to an extent. He comes from a very liberal family and lives in New Jersey (I'm in PA,thank the Lord). He has also never even held a gun let alone shoot one. I already plan to invite him for a day at the range.
Has anyone here been in a similar situation? The help I'm asking for is for any advice or links to facts/stats that could be helpful in educating him that guns are not the evil downfall of American society that the media makes them out to be. Bailing is not an option. Help me fix stoopid. He has a shrink yet he is concerned about your mental health? Telling him to pound sand might be over the top, since you probably have to deal with him since you are his kids' stepfather. But I sure as shit wouldn't want evaluated by someone that he obviously feels comfortable with... |
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I wouldn't tell him shit about my possessions. Especially my security devices.
I sure as hell wouldn't talk to anybody's shrink. If hes so mentally deficient that hes under psychiatric care, maybe he shouldn't have any contact with the kids. Any kid living under my MY roof WILL learn gun safety. Hands on. The ex has NO say. Hell, if the GF doesn't like it, bye. Hes her ex, I don't think you need to give a flying fuck about him. Be cordial, be correct. But he doesn't make ANY stipulation on how you run your life. If you feel you must be friends with this guy, range day FIRST. But I wouldn't put a loaded gun in the hand of a crazy person. Do you own body armor? |
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The shrink is not his personal shrink. It's the kids therapist they used during the divorce.
Telling him to pound sand was my first thought but I am trying to make an effort here at my girlfriends request. I plan on marrying this woman so this is important. My girlfriend shoots with me all the time. Her two boys have seen one of my 870's that was taken apart. They need to feel safe. And having their father telling them guns are bad is not going to help. And to top it off my GF's ex-mother-in-law is running around Cherry Hill telling all her elite social dumb asses that we are allowing the children to play with guns. |
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So here's the deal. My girlfriends ex-husband is having a hard time understanding the reason why I have guns and why I carry one. They have 3 children together, and as a father myself I understand his concern for safety. I have been trying to oblige him with his requests so he can feel confident his children are safe around me and in my home. His first request was he wanted to see the specs on my safe. No problem, done. Now he wants me to have a session in his shrinks office to discuss the matter. Hmmmmm. Ok. I said yes. I care about these children so in return I should care about him to an extent. He comes from a very liberal family and lives in New Jersey (I'm in PA,thank the Lord). He has also never even held a gun let alone shoot one. I already plan to invite him for a day at the range.
Has anyone here been in a similar situation? The help I'm asking for is for any advice or links to facts/stats that could be helpful in educating him that guns are not the evil downfall of American society that the media makes them out to be. Bailing is not an option. Help me fix stoopid. Your future involves false accusations, child protective services, police officers, and attorney fees. Break off all unnecessary contact, and if you absolutely must communicate with him, have a reliable witness present (ie girlfriend). |
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Yes, I would either tell him to pound sand or make it conditional that I will agree to visit some dope he wants to visit if he will agree to come to the gun range with me, in the name of peacemaking. In fact, gun range first. Most libtard thoughts are born of ignorance. Bring a heavy trigger revolver that's easy to understand and hard to have problems with, if you have one, as that will be the easiest to set his mind at ease with and get him some trigger time with little need for anything other than "put bullets in the holes", "lock the cylinder in" and "pull the trigger". Should I make him pay for the ammo? |
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Quoted: The shrink is not his personal shrink. It's the kids therapist they used during the divorce. Telling him to pound sand was my first thought but I am trying to make an effort here at my girlfriends request. I plan on marrying this woman so this is important. My girlfriend shoots with me all the time. Her two boys have seen one of my 870's that was taken apart. They need to feel safe. And having their father telling them guns are bad is not going to help. And to top it off my GF's ex-mother-in-law is running around Cherry Hill telling all her elite social dumb asses that we are allowing the children to play with guns. Not to sound paranoid, but since I don't know the situation completely: Are you sure that he isn't using this opportunity to attempt to gain custody of the children somehow? |
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http://www.gunfacts.info/ As for jumping through his hoops, grow a pair and tell him to fuck off |
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tell him that the statistics for gun accidents in homes where gun culture is taught rather than hidden is less than half a percent of all gun accidents. same goes for future gun criminals. Tell him that you will have guns and you will keep them safe but recomend that when the children are old enough he allows them to be taught how to use guns and gun safety. It is the number one way to prevent them from ever having a gun accident. Kids in homes with no guns are more likely to die in a gun accident than kids who have them at home but have been taught the serious responsibility of gun ownership. Later tonight when I have more time Ill try and find the statistics for you to show him if someone else here hasn't already. Thank you for your help. |
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The shrink is not his personal shrink. It's the kids therapist they used during the divorce. Telling him to pound sand was my first thought but I am trying to make an effort here at my girlfriends request. I plan on marrying this woman so this is important. My girlfriend shoots with me all the time. Her two boys have seen one of my 870's that was taken apart. They need to feel safe. And having their father telling them guns are bad is not going to help. And to top it off my GF's ex-mother-in-law is running around Cherry Hill telling all her elite social dumb asses that we are allowing the children to play with guns. Not to sound paranoid, but since I don't know the situation completely: Are you sure that he isn't using this opportunity to attempt to gain custody of the children somehow? Or Grand mother is. |
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So here's the deal. My girlfriends ex-husband is having a hard time understanding the reason why I have guns and why I carry one. They have 3 children together, and as a father myself I understand his concern for safety. I have been trying to oblige him with his requests so he can feel confident his children are safe around me and in my home. His first request was he wanted to see the specs on my safe. No problem, done. Now he wants me to have a session in his shrinks office to discuss the matter. Hmmmmm. Ok. I said yes. I care about these children so in return I should care about him to an extent. He comes from a very liberal family and lives in New Jersey (I'm in PA,thank the Lord). He has also never even held a gun let alone shoot one. I already plan to invite him for a day at the range.
Has anyone here been in a similar situation? The help I'm asking for is for any advice or links to facts/stats that could be helpful in educating him that guns are not the evil downfall of American society that the media makes them out to be. Bailing is not an option. Help me fix stoopid. To be honest, I think you are already handling this better than the advice you are getting in the thread. I think you are correct in atleast making an effort to meet this guy halfway considering the things I bolded above. Ignore the rage junkies in this thread who actually think it's a good idea to get on bad terms with the father of your GF's children. It sounds like you already understand that to be in this relationship that you've got to be the better person. As far as actually educating him, I think the best method is hands on experience. People fear things they are unfamiliar with and simply putting hands on and learning the operation of firearms is going to go a long way to a bit of mutual understanding. How many gun grabber liberals do you know that have actually shot guns more than a few times let alone even once? That statistic would tell quite a story. I'd make a compromise with him that you'll indulge all of his requests as long as he is willing to do some range time with you and understand the safe operation of firearms in exchange. There is a decent chance he can be turned him to the good side of the force and we don't often get that opportunity. At the very least he'll leave with the understanding that they can be used in a safe and responsible manner. I can name atleast five people who I've turned in just the past two years alone. I've never had anyone go shooting and end up with the same or worse off opinion than they had before. If all of us were so diplomatic and could reach five people then we'd have it made in a very short period of time. The "FOAD" crowd is their (our) own worst enemy. |
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Fuck him. I'd never would have told him dick about a safe i may or may not have and I for damn sure wouldn't be meeting with HIS fucking shrink. Jesus H. Christ, man up and tell him to pound sand. I'm with you. I'm reading the OP and going  .Yeh +1 !! OP what the fuck grow a pair. This has fail all over it. ETA: Never meet with a shrink that you don't control. There is ample opportunity for your words to twisted around by the divorce attys. I would be happy to take the guy to the range, and keep it simple, but the shrink no. It just smells like a trap. |
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Since he's a liberal, he EMOTES, he does not REASON. So the specs on the safe will be meaningless.
Let him see it. Invite him to give it's impenetrable mass a few shoves with his hands. And as others have said, tell him politely and plainly that until he's fired a few guns, he's not really informed and not qualified to offer an opinion on the matter one way or another. Pay for the ammo in the interests of getting him on your side. (think like a drug dealer, get him HOOKED on firearms/RKBA with "free samples", let him find out how much it costs once it's too late...  )
I would make all of the above preconditions to seeing the shrink for a joint counseling session. Make it clear he will do these things FIRST before you even consider it. And I would consult an attorney versed in family/divorce law to see if there's any possible negative legal ramifications doing so could have for you or your girlfriend in terms of custody issues. (ETA, I now read you're doing this, good...) Honestly, the whole thing probably stems from the fact he feels pretty emasculated his ex is now dating a "red state type"/gunowner, and is trying to use the kids/safety angle to level the playing field. |
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So here's the deal. My girlfriends ex-husband is having a hard time understanding the reason why I have guns and why I carry one. They have 3 children together, and as a father myself I understand his concern for safety. I have been trying to oblige him with his requests so he can feel confident his children are safe around me and in my home. His first request was he wanted to see the specs on my safe. No problem, done. Now he wants me to have a session in his shrinks office to discuss the matter. Hmmmmm. Ok. I said yes. I care about these children so in return I should care about him to an extent. He comes from a very liberal family and lives in New Jersey (I'm in PA,thank the Lord). He has also never even held a gun let alone shoot one. I already plan to invite him for a day at the range.
Has anyone here been in a similar situation? The help I'm asking for is for any advice or links to facts/stats that could be helpful in educating him that guns are not the evil downfall of American society that the media makes them out to be. Bailing is not an option. Help me fix stoopid. The GFs ex-husband can, 1. fuck off 2. try to check the specs on the safe 3. fuck off Oh yeah, I just realized, who ever gave a fuck about the GF's ex-husband. |
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I'll have her check with her attorney to see what he thinks and to make sure nothing can be used against us. I'm going to offer him range time first on his dime and if he then feels the need for the shrink I will consider it. As has been stated multiple times in this thread, the shrink is an absolute no-go. It should be completely off the table. Be as nice or rude about it as you deem necessary, but that is simply unacceptable. |
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I'll have her check with her attorney to see what he thinks and to make sure nothing can be used against us. I'm going to offer him range time first on his dime and if he then feels the need for the shrink I will consider it. As has been stated multiple times in this thread, the shrink is an absolute no-go. It should be completely off the table. Be as nice or rude about it as you deem necessary, but that is simply unacceptable. yeah, and don't tell him your not coming........... |
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So here's the deal. My girlfriends ex-husband is having a hard time understanding the reason why I have guns and why I carry one. They have 3 children together, and as a father myself I understand his concern for safety. I have been trying to oblige him with his requests so he can feel confident his children are safe around me and in my home. His first request was he wanted to see the specs on my safe. No problem, done. Now he wants me to have a session in his shrinks office to discuss the matter. Hmmmmm. Ok. I said yes. I care about these children so in return I should care about him to an extent. He comes from a very liberal family and lives in New Jersey (I'm in PA,thank the Lord). He has also never even held a gun let alone shoot one. I already plan to invite him for a day at the range.
Has anyone here been in a similar situation? The help I'm asking for is for any advice or links to facts/stats that could be helpful in educating him that guns are not the evil downfall of American society that the media makes them out to be. Bailing is not an option. Help me fix stoopid. To be honest, I think you are already handling this better than the advice you are getting in the thread. I think you are correct in atleast making an effort to meet this guy halfway considering the things I bolded above. Ignore the rage junkies in this thread who actually think it's a good idea to get on bad terms with the father of your GF's children. It sounds like you already understand that to be in this relationship that you've got to be the better person. As far as actually educating him, I think the best method is hands on experience. People fear things they are unfamiliar with and simply putting hands on and learning the operation of firearms is going to go a long way to a bit of mutual understanding. How many gun grabber liberals do you know that have actually shot guns more than a few times let alone even once? That statistic would tell quite a story. I'd make a compromise with him that you'll indulge all of his requests as long as he is willing to do some range time with you and understand the safe operation of firearms in exchange. There is a decent chance he can be turned him to the good side of the force and we don't often get that opportunity. At the very least he'll leave with the understanding that they can be used in a safe and responsible manner. I can name atleast five people who I've turned in just the past two years alone. I've never had anyone go shooting and end up with the same or worse off opinion than they had before. If all of us were so diplomatic and could reach five people then we'd have it made in a very short period of time. The "FOAD" crowd is their (our) own worst enemy. Thank you. Very well said. |