Posted: 4/25/2010 4:33:49 PM EDT
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So I'm going to the Utah County SWAT Hell Week Training tonight to play "Teacher" in a Middle School. They are going to be doing Dynamic Entry... or something... all I heard was "Flashbangs."
Besides closing eyes, and plugging ears, what can a person do to minimize the effects of a Flashbang? |
You could have some REAL fun & fling the thing right back at `em! They wouldn`t be expecting that! 
I will say this though.....once they chuck it at ya`, don`t know how much time you would have before the thing decides to let you know it is mad at you for even attempting to pick it up. 
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Turn your back to it, close your eyes, cover your ears. They are not debilitating when you are expecting them. When I was on the SWAT team part of our certification for NFDD's was to have one go off at your feet. Anyone know how loud they are in terms of decibels ~ For example ... (180db)? Can you feel the concussion in your body or is it just your eyes & ears that are supposed to be affected? |
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Turn your back to it, close your eyes, cover your ears. They are not debilitating when you are expecting them. When I was on the SWAT team part of our certification for NFDD's was to have one go off at your feet. Anyone know how loud they are in terms of decibels ~ For example ... (180db)? Can you feel the concussion in your body or is it just your eyes & ears that are supposed to be affected? They will probably be training bangs which are mild. Even the real ones are pretty weak compared to what is used abroad. The Brits had multi bang grenades that would bang 7 times and they were not exactly "non lethal" depending on the situation. For a while, DBT marked at "large room" flashbang that was designed to be used in stadiums and whatnot. IMO, American NLDDs are pretty weak...nothing to worry about if you know its coming. Things to remember- Don't look at it. Don't try to catch it or kick it. Wear ear and eye pro at all times. Depending on the bang, it can launch if it lands next to a wall...so don't get hit if it launches. Don't throw it under a couch unless you have a fire extinguisher. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Turn your back to it, close your eyes, cover your ears. They are not debilitating when you are expecting them. When I was on the SWAT team part of our certification for NFDD's was to have one go off at your feet. Anyone know how loud they are in terms of decibels ~ For example ... (180db)? Can you feel the concussion in your body or is it just your eyes & ears that are supposed to be affected? They will probably be training bangs which are mild. Even the real ones are pretty weak compared to what is used abroad. The Brits had multi bang grenades that would bang 7 times and they were not exactly "non lethal" depending on the situation. For a while, DBT marked at "large room" flashbang that was designed to be used in stadiums and whatnot. IMO, American NLDDs are pretty weak...nothing to worry about if you know its coming. Things to remember- Don't look at it. Don't try to catch it or kick it. Wear ear and eye pro at all times. Depending on the bang, it can launch if it lands next to a wall...so don't get hit if it launches. Don't throw it under a couch unless you have a fire extinguisher. hahaha |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Turn your back to it, close your eyes, cover your ears. They are not debilitating when you are expecting them. When I was on the SWAT team part of our certification for NFDD's was to have one go off at your feet. Anyone know how loud they are in terms of decibels ~ For example ... (180db)? Can you feel the concussion in your body or is it just your eyes & ears that are supposed to be affected? They will probably be training bangs which are mild. Even the real ones are pretty weak compared to what is used abroad. The Brits had multi bang grenades that would bang 7 times and they were not exactly "non lethal" depending on the situation. For a while, DBT marked at "large room" flashbang that was designed to be used in stadiums and whatnot. IMO, American NLDDs are pretty weak...nothing to worry about if you know its coming. Things to remember- Don't look at it. Don't try to catch it or kick it. Wear ear and eye pro at all times. Depending on the bang, it can launch if it lands next to a wall...so don't get hit if it launches. Don't throw it under a couch unless you have a fire extinguisher. hahaha Sounds like personal experience. |
I used to play badguy at an urban paintball field (about a block of old houses, apt. buildings, overturned cars that they would set fire to at night, fun place, but it's gone now ) when the various police departments would show up there to train.
The first time they said they were going to use flashbangs on me I was, uh, nervous. OK, I was scared.
So I'm holed up in this building with a buddy and we're not coming out, and they are going to come in and get us. (Dynamic entry practice) So one rolls in the front door, and my buddy is covering the back door and I yell "Flashbang!" Both of us were expecting hellish deafness and blinding light, but we knew they'd be barreling in right after it went off so neither of us wanted to take our hands off of our paint guns to plug our ears. It went off and was really underwhelming! It was about as loud as a .308 with a loud muzzle brake (say a DSA short brake) fired next to you. Uncomfortable, but not debilitating. The flash wasn't very bright either, but it was daytime. May have been more effective at night. I do have to add that I have been shooting since I was a kid and haven't always used hearing pro. and don't have the best ears. By the end of the day, we pretty much just ignored them and used them to determine when they were going to start piling in. Our ears were ringing a bit, but not as bad as if I went shooting for a day with no ear pro. They probably work really well on your average crack dealer, and they'd scare the bezeezus out of you if you weren't expecting it, but they aren't really that bad. The ones most of them used had a reusable vented grenade body, and used a standard frag grenade fuse. Another observation I made about them was that if one was tossed in a house with say, an arfcommer type living there, the bang would probably make you go immediately for your gun; sort of a counter-productive tool in that type of situation. |
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Turn your back to it, close your eyes, cover your ears. They are not debilitating when you are expecting them. When I was on the SWAT team part of our certification for NFDD's was to have one go off at your feet. Anyone know how loud they are in terms of decibels ~ For example ... (180db)? Can you feel the concussion in your body or is it just your eyes & ears that are supposed to be affected? They will probably be training bangs which are mild. Even the real ones are pretty weak compared to what is used abroad. The Brits had multi bang grenades that would bang 7 times and they were not exactly "non lethal" depending on the situation. For a while, DBT marked at "large room" flashbang that was designed to be used in stadiums and whatnot. IMO, American NLDDs are pretty weak...nothing to worry about if you know its coming. Things to remember- Don't look at it. Don't try to catch it or kick it. Wear ear and eye pro at all times. Depending on the bang, it can launch if it lands next to a wall...so don't get hit if it launches. Don't throw it under a couch unless you have a fire extinguisher. hahaha Sounds like personal experience. The best is if you can toss it into an aquarium....preferably a big one full of salt water and fish. It makes everything more fun when the floor is slick.
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I've been next to them when the go off and I can say its about as loud as a .50 bmg going off around 5-10 feet away with no hearing protection on.  OUCH! I didn't have my muffs on when my BIL's friend fired one 20 yards away from me, can't imagine it from 1/4 that. Loud enough with plugs AND muffs when behind the stock. |