Posted: 3/22/2010 11:40:23 AM EDT
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Have that feeling? I do. Obamacare passes, and like BHO himself said last night, that long after he's gone, long after the debates, pundits, and talking heads have quit complaining, we still have obamacare.
Everyone says elections in November. SO WHAT! Elections happen, and republicans gain control of house and senate. We still have obamacare. People like Glenn Beck say call your representatives, email, protest. THAT DIDN'T WORK! I WENT to Tea Party rallys. We still have obamacare. Glenn twitted a video of the monologue "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore". So I stick my head out, yell I'm mad as hell, not going to take it anymore. We still have obamacare. And the problem isn't just that we are saddled with obamacare. The problem runs much much deeper than that. Obamacare is only the symptom of a much deeper problem: Progressivism. This country is full of people that WANT to be taken care of by the government. And no, that isn't code for racism. People in every state, of every color firmly believe that the government is the answer. *sigh* Frustration doubles because I don't want to say stuff that gets this locked. But seriously, when is enough, enough? Glenn, what do we do when everything you've said to do CLEARLY ISN'T WORKING??? Helpless.  
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Public forum and all... but I'm right there with you. Stop paying taxes and go Galt short of violence that is all we have left. And just how do we go about not paying taxes? That's a fine recourse if you don't own a home or have a family and work under the table but for someone that does it not really an option. If I don't pay my taxes they take it straight out of my check like it or not. If I work under the table and don't get a paycheck then they put a lein on my house. If I still don't pay they throw me in jail. Then who will support my wife and daughter? Not paying taxes is not an option for most of us. Sending letters and making calls doesn't work. Voting doesn't work when most of the population vote based on appearances and who they think will give them the most free stuff. The only thing I see we can do is to start by not letting these idiots get elected to begin with. Start locally, research candidates and help the ones you agree with get elected. Even if we just put out a few signs we have to start somewhere. If the idiots never get there foot in the door to begin with we won't have these problems. |
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Not Helpless... Loser of an election! How do you think lefties felt under Bush...
Next time you hear that there's not difference between (D) and (R), consider the past week. Next time you feel you want to vote fro a 3rd party guaranteeing a (D) election, consider the past week... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Public forum and all... but I'm right there with you. Stop paying taxes and go Galt short of violence that is all we have left. And just how do we go about not paying taxes? That's a fine recourse if you don't own a home or have a family and work under the table but for someone that does it not really an option. If I don't pay my taxes they take it straight out of my check like it or not. If I work under the table and don't get a paycheck then they put a lein on my house. If I still don't pay they throw me in jail. Then who will support my wife and daughter? Not paying taxes is not an option for most of us. Sending letters and making calls doesn't work. Voting doesn't work when most of the population vote based on appearances and who they think will give them the most free stuff. The only thing I see we can do is to start by not letting these idiots get elected to begin with. Start locally, research candidates and help the ones you agree with get elected. Even if we just put out a few signs we have to start somewhere. If the idiots never get there foot in the door to begin with we won't have these problems. "Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual." - 'Ole Long Arms Going Galt would necessarily require some lifestyle changes; I own an industrial integration company... I'm thinking about becoming a (roadside fruit & vegetable stand) farmer/shade tree mechanic. My kids would grow up poorer but would learn many important skills and likely see more of me than they do currently. This is a hard choice and not one I would make alone but my wife isn't entirely closed to the proposition and oddly enough neither are my kids, guess we'll see. |
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Public forum and all... but I'm right there with you. Stop paying taxes and go Galt short of violence that is all we have left. And just how do we go about not paying taxes? That's a fine recourse if you don't own a home or have a family and work under the table but for someone that does it not really an option. If I don't pay my taxes they take it straight out of my check like it or not. If I work under the table and don't get a paycheck then they put a lein on my house. If I still don't pay they throw me in jail. Then who will support my wife and daughter? Not paying taxes is not an option for most of us. Sending letters and making calls doesn't work. Voting doesn't work when most of the population vote based on appearances and who they think will give them the most free stuff. The only thing I see we can do is to start by not letting these idiots get elected to begin with. Start locally, research candidates and help the ones you agree with get elected. Even if we just put out a few signs we have to start somewhere. If the idiots never get there foot in the door to begin with we won't have these problems. "Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual." - 'Ole Long Arms Going Galt would necessarily require some lifestyle changes; I own an industrial integration company... I'm thinking about becoming a (roadside fruit & vegetable stand) farmer/shade tree mechanic. My kids would grow up poorer but would learn many important skills and likely see more of me than they do currently. This is a hard choice and not one I would make alone but my wife isn't entirely closed to the proposition and oddly enough neither are my kids, guess we'll see. Broke and free sounds a lot better than government owned and subsidized. |
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Have that feeling? I do. Obamacare passes, and like BHO himself said last night, that long after he's gone, long after the debates, pundits, and talking heads have quit complaining, we still have obamacare. Everyone says elections in November. SO WHAT! Elections happen, and republicans gain control of house and senate. We still have obamacare. People like Glenn Beck say call your representatives, email, protest. THAT DIDN'T WORK! I WENT to Tea Party rallys. We still have obamacare. Glenn twitted a video of the monologue "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore". So I stick my head out, yell I'm mad as hell, not going to take it anymore. We still have obamacare. I don't wanna stir up shit. The fact is the bill passed, but by 4 votes. There are 77 more Dems that Repubs in the House, and we lost by 4. Don't tell me protests didn't work. That's something. The way people on here talk about it it's like we just signed up to keep Obama as dictator. Elections in November change the Congress, and what will Obama do? He can't pass any more fixes for Obamacare, can't pass anymore of the "historic" legislation he wants, and this is only 7 months away. If Obamacare doesn't get all it's fixes, it goes all FUBAR, maybe people see it for what it really is and want it changed. If Obama's one huge bill passes and turns out shitty, people may think he's not the change we needed. I don't make a habit to watch Glenn Beck, but the whole point of statements including "Not gonna take it anymore" means you're actually gonna do something to not have to take it anymore. I'm no less guilty than anyone about letting all of this happen, but yelling out the metaphorical window solves nothing. Quoted:
Dude, get a grip.  I have to agree here. Until the country starts turning to oppression, America needs to keep it's collective chin up. Who knows, in a year Obamacare may be ruled Unconstitutional. States may have grounds to bar the individual mandate. A lot of people have made a living out of trying to look into the future, but I've never met one who succeeded. Just my .02, but I'm a long way from giving up on my country. |
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Don't give up the ship!
Hang in there man. Yep, we're fooked. They're gonna tax us into oblivion. Vote the bastards out, and press on. What am I doing? Almost exactly what I said I would. I'm going back to school, and I'm not working. My only income will be my ret mil pay. I'll live of my ret mil pay and savings until...I decide not to. Just finished reducing my monthly expenses to less than $1500.00 per month - rent, food, elect, gas, etc. And I'm playing hockey twice a week. And I'll bet my "situation" will become illegal soon.
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Have that feeling? I do. Obamacare passes, and like BHO himself said last night, that long after he's gone, long after the debates, pundits, and talking heads have quit complaining, we still have obamacare. Everyone says elections in November. SO WHAT! Elections happen, and republicans gain control of house and senate. We still have obamacare. People like Glenn Beck say call your representatives, email, protest. THAT DIDN'T WORK! I WENT to Tea Party rallys. We still have obamacare. Glenn twitted a video of the monologue "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore". So I stick my head out, yell I'm mad as hell, not going to take it anymore. We still have obamacare. I don't wanna stir up shit. The fact is the bill passed, but by 4 votes. There are 77 more Dems that Repubs in the House, and we lost by 4. Don't tell me protests didn't work. That's something. The way people on here talk about it it's like we just signed up to keep Obama as dictator. Elections in November change the Congress, and what will Obama do? He can't pass any more fixes for Obamacare, can't pass anymore of the "historic" legislation he wants, and this is only 7 months away. If Obamacare doesn't get all it's fixes, it goes all FUBAR, maybe people see it for what it really is and want it changed. If Obama's one huge bill passes and turns out shitty, people may think he's not the change we needed. I don't make a habit to watch Glenn Beck, but the whole point of statements including "Not gonna take it anymore" means you're actually gonna do something to not have to take it anymore. I'm no less guilty than anyone about letting all of this happen, but yelling out the metaphorical window solves nothing. Quoted:
Dude, get a grip. I have to agree here. Until the country starts turning to oppression, America needs to keep it's collective chin up. Who knows, in a year Obamacare may be ruled Unconstitutional. States may have grounds to bar the individual mandate. A lot of people have made a living out of trying to look into the future, but I've never met one who succeeded. Just my .02, but I'm a long way from giving up on my country. Ckichinko, the bill did not pass by 4 votes. Those democrats who voted nay, cast their vote strategically. They were the democrats who are at most risk for re-election in their district. The Democratic party strategically let them vote nay to save face in their congressional district so that come November they're able to say that they did not support health care reform. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Public forum and all... but I'm right there with you. Stop paying taxes and go Galt short of violence that is all we have left. And just how do we go about not paying taxes? That's a fine recourse if you don't own a home or have a family and work under the table but for someone that does it not really an option. If I don't pay my taxes they take it straight out of my check like it or not. If I work under the table and don't get a paycheck then they put a lein on my house. If I still don't pay they throw me in jail. Then who will support my wife and daughter? Not paying taxes is not an option for most of us. Sending letters and making calls doesn't work. Voting doesn't work when most of the population vote based on appearances and who they think will give them the most free stuff. The only thing I see we can do is to start by not letting these idiots get elected to begin with. Start locally, research candidates and help the ones you agree with get elected. Even if we just put out a few signs we have to start somewhere. If the idiots never get there foot in the door to begin with we won't have these problems. "Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual." - 'Ole Long Arms Going Galt would necessarily require some lifestyle changes; I own an industrial integration company... I'm thinking about becoming a (roadside fruit & vegetable stand) farmer/shade tree mechanic. My kids would grow up poorer but would learn many important skills and likely see more of me than they do currently. This is a hard choice and not one I would make alone but my wife isn't entirely closed to the proposition and oddly enough neither are my kids, guess we'll see. Broke and free sounds a lot better than government owned and subsidized. I'm going to be broke if they have their way regardless so I may as well do it on my own terms. |
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Public forum and all... but I'm right there with you. Stop paying taxes and go Galt short of violence that is all we have left. And just how do we go about not paying taxes? That's a fine recourse if you don't own a home or have a family and work under the table but for someone that does it not really an option. If I don't pay my taxes they take it straight out of my check like it or not. If I work under the table and don't get a paycheck then they put a lein on my house. If I still don't pay they throw me in jail. Then who will support my wife and daughter? Not paying taxes is not an option for most of us. Sending letters and making calls doesn't work. Voting doesn't work when most of the population vote based on appearances and who they think will give them the most free stuff. The only thing I see we can do is to start by not letting these idiots get elected to begin with. Start locally, research candidates and help the ones you agree with get elected. Even if we just put out a few signs we have to start somewhere. If the idiots never get there foot in the door to begin with we won't have these problems. "Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual." - 'Ole Long Arms Going Galt would necessarily require some lifestyle changes; I own an industrial integration company... I'm thinking about becoming a (roadside fruit & vegetable stand) farmer/shade tree mechanic. My kids would grow up poorer but would learn many important skills and likely see more of me than they do currently. This is a hard choice and not one I would make alone but my wife isn't entirely closed to the proposition and oddly enough neither are my kids, guess we'll see. Broke and free sounds a lot better than government owned and subsidized. I'm going to be broke if they have their way regardless so I may as well do it on my own terms.
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Have that feeling? I do. Obamacare passes, and like BHO himself said last night, that long after he's gone, long after the debates, pundits, and talking heads have quit complaining, we still have obamacare. Everyone says elections in November. SO WHAT! Elections happen, and republicans gain control of house and senate. We still have obamacare. People like Glenn Beck say call your representatives, email, protest. THAT DIDN'T WORK! I WENT to Tea Party rallys. We still have obamacare. Glenn twitted a video of the monologue "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore". So I stick my head out, yell I'm mad as hell, not going to take it anymore. We still have obamacare. I don't wanna stir up shit. The fact is the bill passed, but by 4 votes. There are 77 more Dems that Repubs in the House, and we lost by 4. Don't tell me protests didn't work. That's something. The way people on here talk about it it's like we just signed up to keep Obama as dictator. Elections in November change the Congress, and what will Obama do? He can't pass any more fixes for Obamacare, can't pass anymore of the "historic" legislation he wants, and this is only 7 months away. If Obamacare doesn't get all it's fixes, it goes all FUBAR, maybe people see it for what it really is and want it changed. If Obama's one huge bill passes and turns out shitty, people may think he's not the change we needed. I don't make a habit to watch Glenn Beck, but the whole point of statements including "Not gonna take it anymore" means you're actually gonna do something to not have to take it anymore. I'm no less guilty than anyone about letting all of this happen, but yelling out the metaphorical window solves nothing. Quoted:
Dude, get a grip. I have to agree here. Until the country starts turning to oppression, America needs to keep it's collective chin up. Who knows, in a year Obamacare may be ruled Unconstitutional. States may have grounds to bar the individual mandate. A lot of people have made a living out of trying to look into the future, but I've never met one who succeeded. Just my .02, but I'm a long way from giving up on my country. Ckichinko, the bill did not pass by 4 votes. Those democrats who voted nay, cast their vote strategically. They were the democrats who are at most risk for re-election in their district. The Democratic party strategically let them vote nay to save face in their congressional district so that come November they're able to say that they did not support health care reform. Guess I never saw it like that. I doubt sincerely that's the case in VA, since it seems there's a pretty common base of anger here. Our own governor and AG are Repubs. And I have a hard time believing Stupak voted yes while others got to vote no, being the head of the Anti-Abortion group. But I could be completely off base. Anyway, my point still stands. It's not yet Fo time, SHTF, Go Galt day, etc. But if that day should come, anyone who feels like they're helpless isn't going to survive long. |
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Quoted: Nothing lasts forever, not this life, not this country, not even this planet. It will all come to an end one day. No nation, empire or kingdom has ever stayed on top forever. Our country is no different. Sure, in geological time it'll all come out all right. I'm kinda more worried about my kids. |
| OP- i feel your pain and i agree with the circumstances... however, i would rather die on my feet than submit to my knees. We must continue to do what is right... right down to the very end. Remember, Rome was a great empire and only lasted 600 years... America is not impervious to destruction... even if it comes from within. just do what is right and sleep with a clear conscience. |