[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Thompson submachine gun (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/2/2010 7:00:52 PM EDT
I have more than a few guns; however, there is one I have always wanted but don't have. Yes, a Thompson submachine gun. Yes there are better machine guns, more versitile guns; but what a piece of work. It pisses me off that I just can't go buy one. I am not inclined to have to get a special permit for mucho denero (however you spell that), and the price, about what my car cost. Perhaps we will get that right back...by the way I seem to remember that was Regan who outlawd them. I don't trust any politicians, no matter the party. 
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Quoted: I have more than a few guns; however, there is one I have always wanted but don't have. Yes, a Thompson submachine gun. Yes there are better machine guns, more versitile guns; but what a piece of work. It pisses me off that I just can't go buy one. I am not inclined to have to get a special permit for mucho denero (however you spell that), and the price, about what my car cost. Perhaps we will get that right back...by the way I seem to remember that was Regan who outlawd them. I don't trust any politicians, no matter the party. Just saying. We have been over this again and again. The 1986 machine gun ban had more good things then bad. 1. you no longer had to fill out a 4473 to buy ammo. |
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Did I do something wrong? 
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Quoted: Yes, I remember doing just that even to buy .22 ammo. But I would gladly do that if I could buy NFA without all the BS.Quoted: I was 13 at the time the ban went into effect, I dont remember having to fill out paperwork to buy ammo. Was this a state issue where you were?I was in GA At one time you had to provide a D/L and address as well as sign a log book to buy ammo. |
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You'll want to knock yourself out if you buy one! |
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machine gun. not a bastardized semi auto replica |
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Quoted: Fine, do a back ground check. Last time I checked though it was around a grand for one of those "permits" (tax), whatever....still shouldn't need to pay that much of a tax to exercise a constitutional right....  . Just saying.You should really learn about the subject you wish to criticize first.  |
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Quoted: Fine, do a back ground check. Last time I checked though it was around a grand for one of those "permits" (tax), whatever....still shouldn't need to pay that much of a tax to exercise a constitutional right.... . Just saying. you never checked otherwise you would know it's a 200$ tax. I'm not going to opine on it being wrong or right but it is what it is. Go educate yourself some more and get back to us. Yes, a real deal Thomson SMG will run you about the same as a decent family sedan. It sucks but that's the way supply and demand works.
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I was 13 at the time the ban went into effect, I dont remember having to fill out paperwork to buy ammo. Was this a state issue where you were?I was in GA No, but you had to show ID, and have your name, address, and other info recorded in a bound book. No mail order ammo sales, either. There was no 4473 for ammo. |
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There seems to be a very large amount of Poor quality info among people here as to what is and isn't with buying some guns and ammo.
Reagan had Nothing to do with outlawing any type of firearms! Full autos have been regulated, and a $200 transfer tax imposed on their ownership transfer since about 1933. That is more like FDRs time in office. Having to fill out forms for ammo was not a federal law so you must be referring to some backward anti gun state law. I've had an FFL for 35 yrs and do not ever remember having to do anything except keep a log of who bought ammo - which I promptly threw away when the law changed cause there was nothing said about keeping those rekords. Hell I'm only required to keep the 4473s for 20 yrs. As for Class 3/NFA weapons and lisc - There is NO SUCH THING as a fed lisc to own any MG, suppressor(silencer to the uneducated) or destructive device - cannons, mortars usv. What there is is a $200 TAX (deductable on your fed tax return) to transfer ownership registration from the seller to the buyer. At least 36 of the 50 states permit private ownership of full auto weapons. The cost of a Class 3 dealers lisc - I have also had one of those for 35 yrs - is $500 annualy - changed from $200 in 86. You must also have an FFL so you are actually spending $530 a year. A Class 2 Mfgr lisc is $1000 - IF I remember correctly. As for Thompsons, yes, like ALL FAs they are expensive. The cheapest you'll find on is around $12,000. I have 2 M1A1s, have had them for 30 yrs. They are fun to shoot, but I like other FAs better. Sarge |
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I have more than a few guns; however, there is one I have always wanted but don't have. Yes, a Thompson submachine gun. Yes there are better machine guns, more versitile guns; but what a piece of work. It pisses me off that I just can't go buy one. I am not inclined to have to get a special permit for mucho denero (however you spell that), and the price, about what my car cost. Perhaps we will get that right back...by the way I seem to remember that was Regan who outlawd them. I don't trust any politicians, no matter the party.
Just saying. As others have said.....to legally own a NFA weapon it's just a $200 transfer tax and goverment aproval. What is going to be your biggest problem isn't the tax or paperwork. Thompsons are expensive....military M1 are the "cheapest" and the M1921/1928s the highest . And even if the 86 was lifted that would still be the case....though if the import ban was lifted it may be a little better supply wise. |
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Quoted: and for fuck's sake, you don't have to have a "special permit" to own an NFA item. Pay the fucking tax, pass the background check, get your form back and go pick up said NFA item. Jumping Nietzsche on a fucking pogo stick Don't forget the "shelling out 2 years worth of rent for said NFA item" part. |
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There seems to be a very large amount of Poor quality info among people here as to what is and isn't with buying some guns and ammo. Reagan had Nothing to do with outlawing any type of firearms! Full autos have been regulated, and a $200 transfer tax imposed on their ownership transfer since about 1933. That is more like FDRs time in office. Having to fill out forms for ammo was not a federal law so you must be referring to some backward anti gun state law. I've had an FFL for 35 yrs and do not ever remember having to do anything except keep a log of who bought ammo - which I promptly threw away when the law changed cause there was nothing said about keeping those rekords. Hell I'm only required to keep the 4473s for 20 yrs. As for Class 3/NFA weapons and lisc - There is NO SUCH THING as a fed lisc to own any MG, suppressor(silencer to the uneducated) or destructive device - cannons, mortars usv. What there is is a $200 TAX (deductable on your fed tax return) to transfer ownership registration from the seller to the buyer. At least 36 of the 50 states permit private ownership of full auto weapons. The cost of a Class 3 dealers lisc - I have also had one of those for 35 yrs - is $500 annualy - changed from $200 in 86. You must also have an FFL so you are actually spending $530 a year. A Class 2 Mfgr lisc is $1000 - IF I remember correctly. As for Thompsons, yes, like ALL FAs they are expensive. The cheapest you'll find on is around $12,000. I have 2 M1A1s, have had them for 30 yrs. They are fun to shoot, but I like other FAs better. Sarge NFA was 1934. Reagan signed the FOPA in 1986, which had the Hughes Amendment, which prohibited new machine guns from being added to the NFA registry. |
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and for fuck's sake, you don't have to have a "special permit" to own an NFA item. Pay the fucking tax, pass the background check, get your form back and go pick up said NFA item. Jumping Nietzsche on a fucking pogo stick in MA you need to have a machinegun license.
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Did someone say "Thompson"? http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/M1921.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/Carbonado.jpg  FAP......for the Thompson and Swedish K porn. |
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Quoted: Did someone say "Thompson"? http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/M1921.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/Carbonado.jpg You'll poke your eye out kid |
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and for fuck's sake, you don't have to have a "special permit" to own an NFA item. Pay the fucking tax, pass the background check, get your form back and go pick up said NFA item. Jumping Nietzsche on a fucking pogo stick If I have to file an application and they can deny it, I DO have to have a special permit. The approved application is the permit. The power to regulate is the power to destroy. And I never filled out a form to buy ammo, even before 86. WTF is that about? The 86 ban is a prima facie violation of the 2nd Ammendment and needs to be struck down. |
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You'll want to knock yourself out if you buy one! This man speaks the truth as I own one. I should have bought a snow blower with the $$$ |
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Fine, do a back ground check. Last time I checked though it was around a grand for one of those "permits" (tax), whatever....still shouldn't need to pay that much of a tax to exercise a constitutional right.... . Just saying.you never checked otherwise you would know it's a 200$ tax. I'm not going to opine on it being wrong or right but it is what it is. Go educate yourself some more and get back to us. Yes, a real deal Thomson SMG will run you about the same as a decent family sedan. It sucks but that's the way supply and demand works. BS. The reason a Tommy Gun costs so much on a Form 4 is that the fuck wits up in DC no longer issue them for new manufacture. Think CUBA and why they still drive cars from the 50s. They can't get new ones, so the old ones are really valuable. Same same. MGs are FAR from a free market. It's a fixed quantity of supply and any new production is for only people with (drum roll) Special Permits. How much does an FFL for NFA dealers cost? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fine, do a back ground check. Last time I checked though it was around a grand for one of those "permits" (tax), whatever....still shouldn't need to pay that much of a tax to exercise a constitutional right.... . Just saying.you never checked otherwise you would know it's a 200$ tax. I'm not going to opine on it being wrong or right but it is what it is. Go educate yourself some more and get back to us. Yes, a real deal Thomson SMG will run you about the same as a decent family sedan. It sucks but that's the way supply and demand works. BS. The reason a Tommy Gun costs so much on a Form 4 is that the fuck wits up in DC no longer issue them for new manufacture. Think CUBA and why they still drive cars from the 50s. They can't get new ones, so the old ones are really valuable. Same same. MGs are FAR from a free market. It's a fixed quantity of supply and any new production is for only people with (drum roll) Special Permits. How much does an FFL for NFA dealers cost? Uh, thanks for saying what I already said. Supply for a new Thomson SMG = 0 Demand is a bit more than that so the price goes up. Yes, NFA Dealers do add more money on top of items that they have in stock. They're a business and they have to make money too. Just like any other gun shop. They also charge you to do NFA transfers and the price expotentially goes up considering the price of their SOT FFL compared to say Joe who runs the pawn shop down the street and does regular firearms transfers for 25 bucks. People keep saying that the 200 tax is some special permit, it's not, it's a tax. By that logic the 4473 for a regular firearm would be a "special permit". Why in the hell would anyone buy a Class III FFL just to collect them? That IS a special permit. You have to have a shit ton of money if you're into that sort of thing. Besides, you're inviting the man into your life unlike a regular guy who buys NFA and puts it in his gunsafe. IF you did get the FFL you would pay yearly fees, Not a one time tax and would also be open to inspections by the BATFE unlike me who has a few things on Form 4. Say you don't want the hassle anymore? Transfer all of your pre86 stuff to yourself and pay 200 for each item before your FFL runs out. Oh, all those Post samples you've got? You've gotta hawk them now. Stupid Idea if you ask me. |
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I have more than a few guns; however, there is one I have always wanted but don't have. Yes, a Thompson submachine gun. Yes there are better machine guns, more versitile guns; but what a piece of work. It pisses me off that I just can't go buy one. I am not inclined to have to get a special permit for mucho denero (however you spell that), and the price, about what my car cost. Perhaps we will get that right back...by the way I seem to remember that was Regan who outlawd them. I don't trust any politicians, no matter the party.
Just saying. We have been over this again and again. The 1986 machine gun ban had more good things then bad. 1. you no longer had to fill out a 4473 to buy ammo. You NEVER did have to fill out a 4473 for ammo - you did need to provide I.D. and the sale was logged in the ammo bound book. And IIRC rimfire 22 ammo was exempt (on the FED level, state laws might have required it.) |
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Here you go. http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=125299 + $200 tax. Not that bad. |
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People keep saying that the 200 tax is some special permit, it's not, it's a tax. By that logic the 4473 for a regular firearm would be a "special permit". I know Title II owners say this sort of thing all the time to chastise the newbies and educate them on the specific terminology differences between SOTs and Title II owners. However,if Mr. ATFE shows up,do you have to show your 4473 to him for a Title I firearm? Do you have to show him anything at all? Do you have to file a form with the government when you move your Title I firearm to another state? No,of course not. You DO have to show him your tax stamp and Form 1/4 for a Title II firearm (or trust documentation giving you authorization). Another state/local LEO may not be legally able to require you to present your stamp and paperwork,but a lot of folks take photocopies to cover that contingency anyway. That's awfully close to meeting what I would consider a "license"; even more so when you consider that while 4473s on FFL files are not kept in a BATFE database (we hope), the Title II records are. Call it what you will,but the necessity of having your paperwork with you when you have possession of a Title II makes it seem a lot like a drivers license and auto registration. |
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...by the way I seem to remember that was Regan who outlawd them. I don't trust any politicians, no matter the party.
Just saying. Is this the third or fourth "Reagan done gone and banninated my burp gun" thread? Democrats are solely responsible for the Hughes Amendment. If you look through the history of gun control the one common theme is the Democrat Party. |
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Good grief....that is a back-alley coathanger abortion if I've ever seen one. 
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Quoted: Quoted: ...by the way I seem to remember that was Regan who outlawd them. I don't trust any politicians, no matter the party. Just saying. Is this the third or fourth "Reagan done gone and banninated my burp gun" thread? Democrats are solely responsible for the Hughes Amendment. If you look through the history of gun control the one common theme is the Democrat Party. The sad part is, they can't see past the signature on the bill. Saying Reagan was responsible for the Hughes Amendment, is like saying Obama is responsible for the amendment that let guns into National Parks.  |
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Did someone say "Thompson"? http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/M1921.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/Carbonado.jpg In Wa no doubt, must have had those for a while, like pre 94 
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The sad part is, they can't see past the signature on the bill. Saying Reagan was responsible for the Hughes Amendment, is like saying Obama is responsible for the amendment that let guns into National Parks.
Expecting people to figure out that sometimes you have to give something up to get something else is asking a lot, especially when they don't know what firearms owners got. 1. End of the requirement that ammunition be sold only over the counter with records = less expensive ammunition. 2. End of the possibility of being prosecuted for transporting a firearm across state lines (like for a hunting trip, for example). 3. The ability to purchase a rifle or shotgun ftf from a dealer in another state. |
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Did someone say "Thompson"? http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/M1921.jpg http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b168/js98010/Carbonado.jpg That looks like my Thompson! But wait... your barrel is short....
That also looks like where I live! |
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Quoted: BS. The reason a Tommy Gun costs so much on a Form 4 is that the fuck wits up in DC no longer issue them for new manufacture. Think CUBA and why they still drive cars from the 50s. They can't get new ones, so the old ones are really valuable. Same same. MGs are FAR from a free market. It's a fixed quantity of supply and any new production is for only people with (drum roll) Special Permits. How much does an FFL for NFA dealers cost? Uh, even if we could register new Thompsons the REAL Tommy guns would still cost an arm and a leg because they don't make them anymore. It's already a fixed quantity. No way that new AutoOrd FA Thompsons would drop the price of original ones at all. Steyr AUG A1s and A2s still cost what they did last year despite us having STGs, AXRs, and Steyr AUG A3s in existance. |
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Couldnt you buy a nice semi and SBR it? Sure its not a full auto, but hey it would look the same without the huge purchase price, or wont full auto Tommy barrels fit a semi? After approval to SBR it, a shorter barrel is fully compatible with a semi-auto receiver. Of course it's not the same...but close enough! ETA: sp |