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2/22/2010 1:30:49 PM EDT



I wonder if illegals get a pass on this?







http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/opinion/21friedman.html?scp=1&sq=911&st=cse









A small news item from Tracy, Calif., caught my eye last week. Local station CBS 13 reported: “Tracy residents will now have to pay every time they call 911 for a medical emergency. But there are a couple of options. Residents can pay a $48 voluntary fee for the year, which allows them to call 911 as many times as necessary. Or there’s the option of not signing up for the annual fee. Instead they will be charged $300 if they make a call for help.






Welcome to the lean years.








Yes, sir, we’ve just had our 70 fat years in America, thanks to the Greatest Generation and the bounty of freedom and prosperity they built for us. And in these past 70 years, leadership — whether of the country, a university, a company, a state, a charity, or a township — has largely been about giving things away, building things from scratch, lowering taxes or making grants.








But now it feels as if we are entering a new era, “where the great task of government and of leadership is going to be about taking things away from people,” said the Johns Hopkins University foreign policy expert Michael Mandelbaum.








Indeed, to lead now is to trim, to fire or to downsize services, programs or personnel. We’ve gone from the age of government handouts to the age of citizen givebacks, from the age of companions fly free to the age of paying for each bag.








Let’s just hope our lean years will only number seven. That will depend a lot on us and whether we rise to the economic challenges of this moment. Our parents truly were the Greatest Generation. We, alas, in too many ways, have been what the writer Kurt Andersen called “The Grasshopper Generation,” eating through the prosperity that was bequeathed us like hungry locusts. Now we and our kids together need to be “The Regeneration” — the generation that renews, refreshes, re-energizes and rebuilds America for the 21st century.








President Obama’s bad luck was that he showed up just as we moved from the fat years to the lean years. His calling is to lead The Regeneration. He clearly understands that in his head, but he has yet to give full voice to it. Actually, the thing that most baffles me about Mr. Obama is how a politician who speaks so well, and is trying to do so many worthy things, can’t come up with a clear, simple, repeatable narrative to explain his politics — when it is so obvious.








Mr. Obama won the election because he was able to “rent” a significant number of independent voters — including Republican business types who had never voted for a Democrat in their lives — because they knew in their guts that the country was on the wrong track and was desperately in need of nation-building at home and that John McCain was not the man to do it.








They thought that Mr. Obama, despite his liberal credentials, had the unique skills, temperament, voice and values to pull the country together for this new Apollo program — not to take us to the moon, but into the 21st century.








Alas, though, instead of making nation-building in America his overarching narrative and then fitting health care, energy, educational reform, infrastructure, competitiveness and deficit reduction under that rubric, the president has pursued each separately. This made each initiative appear to be just some stand-alone liberal obsession to pay off a Democratic constituency — not an essential ingredient of a nation-building strategy — and, therefore, they have proved to be easily obstructed, picked off or delegitimized by opponents and lobbyists.








So “Obamism” feels at worst like a hodgepodge, at best like a to-do list — one that got way too dominated by health care instead of innovation and jobs — and not the least like a big, aspirational project that can bring out America’s still vast potential for greatness.








To be sure, taking over the presidency at the dawn of the lean years is no easy task. The president needs to persuade the country to invest in the future and pay for the past — past profligacy — all at the same time. We have to pay for more new schools and infrastructure than ever, while accepting more entitlement cuts than ever, when public trust in government is lower than ever.








On top of that, the Republican Party has never been more irresponsible. Having helped run the deficit to new heights during the recent Bush years, the G.O.P. is now unwilling to take any responsibility for dealing with it if it involves raising taxes. At the same time, the rise of cable TV has transformed politics in our country generally into just another spectator sport, like all-star wrestling. C-Span is just ESPN with only two teams. We watch it for entertainment, not solutions.








While it would certainly help if the president voiced a more compelling narrative, I am under no illusion that this alone would solve all his problems and ours. It comes back to us: We have to demand the truth from our politicians and be ready to accept it ourselves. We simply do not have another presidency to waste. There are no more fat years to eat through. If Obama fails, we all fail.













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2/22/2010 1:38:14 PM EDT
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I couldn't make it past the fifth paragraph. I tried, but it reeked of liberal retard too much.
2/22/2010 1:38:14 PM EDT
[#2]
I couldn't make it past the fifth paragraph. I tried, but it reeked of liberal retard too much.
2/22/2010 1:38:51 PM EDT
[#3]
I'll ignore the commentary at the bottom to say that there is a shit load of abuse of 911 for questionably medical 'emergencies'.

But I would think that a better option would be a "first one's free" kind of thing.
2/22/2010 1:39:49 PM EDT
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I couldn't make it past the fifth paragraph. I tried, but it reeked of liberal retard too much.


Yeah, it's the New York Times.



But $300 to call 911 if a family member is having a heart attack?



 


2/22/2010 1:43:08 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
I couldn't make it past the fifth paragraph. I tried, but it reeked of liberal retard too much.

Yeah, it's the New York Times.

But $300 to call 911 if a family member is having a heart attack?
 



Im sure thats only for those working . Oh working here legaly also .

Welfare trash and or illegals wont pay that of course.

How exaclty do you charge a woman for dialing 911 when her ole man is beating her ass???  That will go ovewr well with NOW.

Fucking retards. The gubmint is full of em
2/22/2010 1:44:52 PM EDT
[#6]
Meh, things cost money, and I have a hard time seeing a problem with any government system that replaces taxing everybody with fees for the people who actually use it.
2/22/2010 1:45:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I couldn't make it past the fifth paragraph. I tried, but it reeked of liberal retard too much.

Yeah, it's the New York Times.
But $300 to call 911 if a family member is having a heart attack?

Sounds like a damn good deal actually.

Just keep the non-emergency number handy for those cases where it isn't a matter of life, limb or fire.
2/22/2010 1:45:36 PM EDT
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Meh, things cost money, and I have a hard time seeing a problem with any government system that replaces taxing everybody with fees for the people who actually use it.


Taxes already support the 911 systems.

 
2/22/2010 1:46:23 PM EDT
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How exaclty do you charge a woman for dialing 911 when her ole man is beating her ass???  That will go ovewr well with NOW.

Fucking retards. The gubmint is full of em[/div]

Thye are only charging for medical emergencies. Not calls for police or fire.

You pay for an ambulance ride and you pay for any otehr medical care as well.
2/22/2010 1:48:57 PM EDT
[#10]
A 2 page thread here from earlier:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1002936

I'm not calling dupe because of the bad thread title.

2/22/2010 1:49:43 PM EDT
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Quoted:


A 2 page thread here from earlier:



http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1002936



I'm not calling dupe because of the bad thread title.





Ahh, I searched 911.

 



Lock this one up.
2/22/2010 1:50:19 PM EDT
[#12]
In before OP requested lock
2/22/2010 1:50:53 PM EDT
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Quoted:


In before OP requested lock


Too late.


 
2/22/2010 1:50:59 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
Meh, things cost money, and I have a hard time seeing a problem with any government system that replaces taxing everybody with fees for the people who actually use it.

Taxes already support the 911 systems.  


The phone surcharges pay for some infrastructure, but not employees, training them, malpractice insurance for them (yes, if they give any medicla instructions it is required) and so on.

User fees are almost always better than blanket taxes. I would far rather see a suer fee than increased taxes.

I can tell you of one family right down the road that calls 911 for a medical "emergency" at least twice a month, and all of them are not emergencies, they just want a medicare paid ambulance ride instead of putting the person in a car, and if they don't call and act like it is an emergency they won't get the ambulance. There is zero medical need for the ambulance aside form them being lazy and wanting someone else to move the person.
2/22/2010 1:52:05 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
A 2 page thread here from earlier:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1002936

I'm not calling dupe because of the bad thread title.


Ahh, I searched 911.  

Lock this one up.


No prob... I was going to leave it because of the cryptic title of the first one.  

2/22/2010 1:52:44 PM EDT
[#16]
Please see the existing thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1002936

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