Posted: 2/16/2010 3:45:16 AM EDT
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If he knew the man had a mental disorder, then he took advantage of the situation.
As a man you have the duty to look after the elderly and their best interests. The man doesn't need firearms if he is truly off his rocker, but you don't take advantage of him either. just my.02 and I sleep well at night. |
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(in before the self-righteous "You should have told him the fair value price and then counter-offered" crowd). PS I hate your friend. 
ETA: DAMMIT! I was typing. And FWIW: I see many, many elderly men with Alzheimer's on a daily basis - they exhibit cognitive slowing and poor recall, but it's typically of the short-term "Who are you?" type. Rarely would a functioning adult (living on his own?) be incapable of making basic decisions like the ones posted above. Not saying it couldn't happen - I just don't see it (and I am NOT a neurologist for the record). Sounds to me like the old-timer just under-estimated the value based on what he thought it was worth (to him); not on what the market would support. The guy probably had bills to pay or wanted to get rid of it because he's too old to use it - Fair deal, IMHO; don't lose any sleep over it. Now if the friend haggled him from there... that would be pretty lame. If he knew the man had a mental disorder, then he took advantage of the situation.
As man you have the duty to look after the elderly and their best interests. The man doesn't need firearms if he is truly off his rocker, but you don't take advantage of him either. just my.02 and I sleep well at night. |
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Quoted: My buddy went to go buy an rv from a guy. After the man (in his 70's w/ Alzheimer's) showed him the rv he asked my buddy if he was interested in some other stuff he was selling. Needless to say my buddy got a practically new ruger mini 14 ranch rifle (with some tacticool stuff on it), and a spas-12 shotgun(like new, really small amount of rust around the muzzle but will come off easily with some chemicals), and a craftsman tool set in a rolling tool box. All of that for 200 bucks!!! I asked if he took advantage of the guy and he said nope the guy named his price (200) and I accepted. Well I have a serious case of jealousy now Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile ahhhh what the heck...this should be good.  Guess I'll be the first to say that he did, in fact, take advantage of the guy. ETA: Guess I wasn't the first...MrClean beat me to the punch and made the point better than I could. |
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In my buddy defense, he's not much of a gun guy, so he didn't know the value of the guns till I told him. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Well unless the old fella had died, it's not too late to fix it. Since he didn't know the value and he does now, he should go back and give the guy at least $500 and buy him a burger or something. If it was your grandpa, what would you say about it? |
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In my buddy defense, he's not much of a gun guy, so he didn't know the value of the guns till I told him. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Well unless the old fella had died, it's not too late to fix it. Since he didn't know the value and he does now, he should go back and give the guy at least $500 and buy him a burger or something. If it was your grandpa, what would you say about it? I would have bought the guns off of him already. Unfortunately we don't know the old man's situation, his reasoning, or his immediate family. So before I start reaming the "friend" about how he ripped off the elderly, I'd probably consider that the old man had his reasons. Maybe he had no responsible "men" in the family to accept the items as gifts (maybe his sons/daughters are all untrustworthy douchebags and he wanted to off-load these items to the first respectable guy he sees?). Maybe he had bills to pay and it's a firesale - or maybe he just remembers what HE paid so many years ago and was trying to be fair (without realizing how under-valued the items were). I see your point about looking out for the guy - if it was my grandpa I would have snatched them up in an instant and tripled his money on principle. Unfortunately all of my relatives want "sticker" for their guns these days.... :lol: WIthout having been there, I'm not sure there's much else to do but say "good deal" and move on (given what could or could not be going on in the old-timer's life). Even the "alzheimer's" bit is presumptuous based on a third-party. |
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Well mr clean you have a point, but my buddy did pay more than what the old man asked for it and gave him a generous price on the rv, because of the deal the old man gave him so I guess I see it as a reasonable exchange Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'm not trying to sound self righteous by any means, If I do my apologies. Just make sure you can look yourself in the mirror and smile is all I'm saying. |
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If your buddy paid the asking price - then that is all they are worth. Anything extra is 'estimated' value that may or may not be realistic. To see this phenomena in action, take a field trip to a pawn shop. At worst, your buddy evened the score for all the people who have been ripped off by sellers. |
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What really happened is the old man pretended to be a little addled then he fucked the shit out of your friend on the RV. Old man thought "like taking candy from a baby" at the last moment he felt sorry for the fuckin he gave your friend and gave him a deal on the guns so he could sleep at night. Damn RV is probably going to go tits up right out the drive way.
Only the two that made the deal can know for sure who fucked who or didn't. |
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If he knew the man had a mental disorder, then he took advantage of the situation. As a man you have the duty to look after the elderly and their best interests. The man doesn't need firearms if he is truly off his rocker, but you don't take advantage of him either. just my.02 and I sleep well at night. sounds about right. |
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And FWIW: I see many, many elderly men with Alzheimer's on a daily basis - they exhibit cognitive slowing and poor recall, but it's typically of the short-term "Who are you?" type. Rarely would a functioning adult (living on his own?) be incapable of making basic decisions like the ones posted above. Not saying it couldn't happen - I just don't see it (and I am NOT a neurologist for the record). Sounds to me like the old-timer just under-estimated the value based on what he thought it was worth (to him); not on what the market would support. The guy probably had bills to pay or wanted to get rid of it because he's too old to use it - Fair deal, IMHO; don't lose any sleep over it. Well, I am a neurologist and I wouldn't want any of my dementia patients selling off their goods without someone helping with the negotiations. A lot of these people sound very normal in conversation, but when you test them they don't even know what year it is. You sound like another shark in the water who goes way out of his way to justify your actions. The OP is the one who brought up Alzheimer's dementia. If the friend knows the man has AD, he either knows the family or the man was demented enough for it to be obvious in conversation. Either way he should have balked. It's like buying a car from a child. I'm a little less unsettled by this after knowing that he bought the RV. In a deal worth thousands of dollars, you are more likely to get some freebies thrown in. |
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In my buddy defense, he's not much of a gun guy, so he didn't know the value of the guns till I told him. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Well unless the old fella had died, it's not too late to fix it. Since he didn't know the value and he does now, he should go back and give the guy at least $500 and buy him a burger or something. If it was your grandpa, what would you say about it? Heres the truth.. I know a woman right now that has a pristine model 17 no dash smith... she is 89 years old and I told her i would like to have the pistol and it would have a good home, She offered it to me for 100 bucks, now she is still sharp as a tack... but I will not give her less than it is worth. And I do not have that right now, therefore she still has the pistol. |