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Originally Posted By Solo_: Beauty Originally Posted By Solo_: Beauty Says it’s 1 of 1 and authentic. Lots of great swag on etsy |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: Says it’s 1 of 1 and authentic. Lots of great swag on etsy Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Solo_: Beauty Says it’s 1 of 1 and authentic. Lots of great swag on etsy Why/how is it marked vintage 1990s? How does it have 5 stars if there's only one? I'm guessing they toss up one at a time and I doubt there's more than 50 or so, people can only sign their names so much before it's like "aw, screw this crap". |
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Got my tickets for an opening night IMAX showing.  
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“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
Disclosure Day swag-bag (VIP edition)
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Originally Posted By Solo_: Disclosure Day swag-bag (VIP edition)
Man thats cool. I like the hat. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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FIRST track of the original soundtrack released. Full album on the 12th. Fantastic, classic John Williams. Brings me back - with dust in my eyes - to the best of our classic times that most of us grew up with. Enjoy.
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Originally Posted By Solo_: FIRST track of the original soundtrack released. Full album on the 12th. Fantastic, classic John Williams. Brings me back - with dust in my eyes - to the best of our classic times that most of us grew up with. Enjoy.
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Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
short video Red Panda Koala @RedPandaKoala · 31m Steven Spielberg's first ever UFO film was called "Firelight" and it was made when he was 15 releasing in 1964 Steven was inspired to make the film based on his own interst in UFOs and the fact his scout troop had just had a UFO sighting on a campout he didn't attend. His dad helped with primitive computer effects; his mom assisted with practical effects; friends and siblings made up the cast. The plot of Firelight follows a group of scientists investigating colored lights in the sky and the disappearance of people, animals, and objects from a fictional Arizona town. The aliens are collecting humans for a zoo on their home planet. After two years of production and a $500 budget, the 135-minute film premiered at the Phoenix theater in March 1964. The audience — friends, family, and local press — recognized something special in the teenage director. |
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Originally Posted By kc-coyote: This is the first movie in a VERY long time I am actually looking forwarding to seeing in the theatre. Most stuff I just wait for it come out on Prime. This will definitely be something I go to see in the theatre on opening weekend. that's exactly what he said in one of the moments before launching some private view for a limited audience. |
| I can’t say that I look forward to seeing it in a theater, mainly because of my pain issues and not being able to watch it comfortably, but I will be going to see it. I feel like I absolutely must go to see it whatever the cost in comfort. I will survive the pain same as any other hour of the day. I just may be squirming around in my seat needing to stand up and walk around but can’t. Hopefully it will hold my attention long enough to keep my mind off my pain same as when I go fly RC planes, or when I am sitting in my boat fishing, or out riding my Harley. As long as my concentration is elsewhere I don’t think about my pain for a little while. I went fishing yesterday for just a couple of hours and was perfectly fine until the moment I stepped out onto the dock to go back the trailer back into the water and it took me a good 5 minutes it seemed just to walk back the 200 ft or so to my truck having to almost take baby steps to get there I was so stiff and stove up. |
🚨 SPIELBERG CONFIRMS VARGINHA ET RECOVERY?! 👽🇧🇷 Legendary director Steven Spielberg just dropped that he knows details on Brazil’s 1996 Varginha UFO crash, stating the US military quickly extracted two non human beings (one alive) after the incident. Eyewitnesses described red eyed creatures with oily skin and head horns. A military officer who handled one died mysteriously weeks later. With his new UFO film Disclosure Day dropping soon, this feels like soft disclosure. Hollywood insider with gov ties validating NHI retrieval? The Varginha case (Jan 1996) just got massive credibility!! Game changer for UAP/NHI truth. 👀 |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I can’t say that I look forward to seeing it in a theater, mainly because of my pain issues and not being able to watch it comfortably, but I will be going to see it. I feel like I absolutely must go to see it whatever the cost in comfort. I will survive the pain same as any other hour of the day. I just may be squirming around in my seat needing to stand up and walk around but can’t. Hopefully it will hold my attention long enough to keep my mind off my pain same as when I go fly RC planes, or when I am sitting in my boat fishing, or out riding my Harley. As long as my concentration is elsewhere I don’t think about my pain for a little while. I went fishing yesterday for just a couple of hours and was perfectly fine until the moment I stepped out onto the dock to go back the trailer back into the water and it took me a good 5 minutes it seemed just to walk back the 200 ft or so to my truck having to almost take baby steps to get there I was so stiff and stove up. A couple of Oxy and a pint of Crown will help.  I too plan to attend and take the wife. Pain is a consideration for both of us. I have a severe stenosis, herniated disc, etc and it’s rough. She has it way worse. But I plan to be there. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: A couple of Oxy and a pint of Crown will help. I too plan to attend and take the wife. Pain is a consideration for both of us. I have a severe stenosis, herniated disc, etc and it’s rough. She has it way worse. But I plan to be there. Man I understand that, my back is wrecked. Only thing really comfortable for me is my recliner. I’m going as well. Doing my kind of work I’ve learned to some how tune most of it out thank God. |
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Originally Posted By SharkStomper: I booked tickets next Friday at 11 and then later realized my bro in law is coming into town on Thursday. Wife says he won't wanna go, so i'll probably miss out.  It sucks you gonna miss out on your bro in law while you go to see the movie but fuck it this will be so worth it.
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Originally Posted By sq40: A couple of Oxy and a pint of Crown will help. I too plan to attend and take the wife. Pain is a consideration for both of us. I have a severe stenosis, herniated disc, etc and it’s rough. She has it way worse. But I plan to be there. Damnit if I even drink 2 beers most of the time now between Gabapentin and what low dose of Oxy my pain Dr is willing to give me I’m sound to sleep very soon after. I have barely had a drop to drink in the past 8 years and I love love love beer and could chug is mass quantities. I may drink 2 beers in a year currently.  Scoliosis , stenosis at 3 levels in the low back, 8 herniated or bulging disc, and not to mention whatever is causing my colon/gut and bladder pain that can’t be diagnosed apparently, it’s tough to get comfortable for very long without something very powerful to distract the brain. This movie may very well have that power if it’s like most of Spielberg’s other works. My wife is now off on Fridays so I’ll get her to check today if there are any Friday matinee tickets available. |
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Originally Posted By Subsonic300B: It sucks you gonna miss out on your bro in law while you go to see the movie but fuck it this will be so worth it. UPDATE... BRAKING NEWS!!! The bro in law has agreed to attend the movie with us! We will be at the Friday matinee showing.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Damnit if I even drink 2 beers most of the time now between Gabapentin and what low dose of Oxy my pain Dr is willing to give me I’m sound to sleep very soon after. I have barely had a drop to drink in the past 8 years and I love love love beer and could chug is mass quantities. I may drink 2 beers in a year currently. Scoliosis , stenosis at 3 levels in the low back, 8 herniated or bulging disc, and not to mention whatever is causing my colon/gut and bladder pain that can’t be diagnosed apparently, it’s tough to get comfortable for very long without something very powerful to distract the brain. This movie may very well have that power if it’s like most of Spielberg’s other works. My wife is now off on Fridays so I’ll get her to check today if there are any Friday matinee tickets available. Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By sq40: A couple of Oxy and a pint of Crown will help. I too plan to attend and take the wife. Pain is a consideration for both of us. I have a severe stenosis, herniated disc, etc and it’s rough. She has it way worse. But I plan to be there. Damnit if I even drink 2 beers most of the time now between Gabapentin and what low dose of Oxy my pain Dr is willing to give me I’m sound to sleep very soon after. I have barely had a drop to drink in the past 8 years and I love love love beer and could chug is mass quantities. I may drink 2 beers in a year currently. Scoliosis , stenosis at 3 levels in the low back, 8 herniated or bulging disc, and not to mention whatever is causing my colon/gut and bladder pain that can’t be diagnosed apparently, it’s tough to get comfortable for very long without something very powerful to distract the brain. This movie may very well have that power if it’s like most of Spielberg’s other works. My wife is now off on Fridays so I’ll get her to check today if there are any Friday matinee tickets available. You are going to need some uppers too then man! ETA: Just noticed the book in the background. There is your sign. Attached File |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
| On a serious note, to all of you suffering with chronic pain, and doing everything you can to carry on, you have my respect. I hope you all heal one day, and have more good days than bad. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
🚨 SPIELBERG CONFIRMS VARGINHA ET RECOVERY?! 👽🇧🇷 Legendary director Steven Spielberg just dropped that he knows details on Brazil’s 1996 Varginha UFO crash, stating the US military quickly extracted two non human beings (one alive) after the incident. Eyewitnesses described red eyed creatures with oily skin and head horns. A military officer who handled one died mysteriously weeks later. With his new UFO film Disclosure Day dropping soon, this feels like soft disclosure. Hollywood insider with gov ties validating NHI retrieval? The Varginha case (Jan 1996) just got massive credibility!! Game changer for UAP/NHI truth. 👀 I'm not sure if that is accurate. All I could find is that he confirmed knowing about the documentary that was made about the incident, not the he had any direct knowledge. I also couldn't find an actual quote from Spielberg. |
It's as if a big chunk of our adult population has lost the ability to tell the difference between what is possible, and what is probable.
I guess many of us will soon find out what this movie is really all about.
Steven Spielberg says his new film Disclosure Day addresses how UFO Disclosure would impact the religions and God “The movie also takes the position of the church. What does this do to the fundamental beliefs that many of us have? And is God our God only on this planet or is God a God for every system where there's civilization, intelligent life and even developing life.” |
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Originally Posted By dukeofearl: I believe God created everything, the universe and everything in it. God created "existence". I find recent speculation about "aliens created us", "hybrid Jesus"", etc., very disturbing. The Bible warns us and predicted this shit. same. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By dukeofearl: I believe God created everything, the universe and everything in it. God created "existence". I find recent speculation about "aliens created us", "hybrid Jesus"", etc., very disturbing. The Bible warns us and predicted this shit. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Or you could look at it another way: God is an NHI being. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By dukeofearl: I believe God created everything, the universe and everything in it. God created "existence". I find recent speculation about "aliens created us", "hybrid Jesus"", etc., very disturbing. The Bible warns us and predicted this shit. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. delete |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Or you could look at it another way: God is an NHI being. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By dukeofearl: I believe God created everything, the universe and everything in it. God created "existence". I find recent speculation about "aliens created us", "hybrid Jesus"", etc., very disturbing. The Bible warns us and predicted this shit. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. This is one of the conclusions I’ve come to after a lot of thought about it. |
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Originally Posted By macman37: This is one of the conclusions I've come to after a lot of thought about it. Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By dukeofearl: I believe God created everything, the universe and everything in it. God created "existence". I find recent speculation about "aliens created us", "hybrid Jesus"", etc., very disturbing. The Bible warns us and predicted this shit. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. This is one of the conclusions I've come to after a lot of thought about it. Just, by the very definition, God is a "non-human intelligence". |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: To be clear, I didn't exactly mean "God is an alien". Just, by the very definition, God is a "non-human intelligence". Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By dukeofearl: I believe God created everything, the universe and everything in it. God created "existence". I find recent speculation about "aliens created us", "hybrid Jesus"", etc., very disturbing. The Bible warns us and predicted this shit. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. This is one of the conclusions I've come to after a lot of thought about it. Just, by the very definition, God is a "non-human intelligence". I’ve been reading Birthright by Timothy Alberino and he dives deeply into the distinction that anything not of Earth origin is Extra Terrestrial. But, we are part of the family of God. Earth is our domain and we hold dominion over it, in service to and subservience to God. Other NHI, the Morning Stars/the Angels/The Watchers, are our elder siblings. The fallen watchers want to hybridize so thst their offspring can have a claim on our dominion, Earth. Pretty interesting book so far. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By dukeofearl: I believe God created everything, the universe and everything in it. God created "existence". I find recent speculation about "aliens created us", "hybrid Jesus"", etc., very disturbing. The Bible warns us and predicted this shit. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Or you could look at it another way: God is an NHI being. For all of humanity's existence, we've been trying to understand and explain God. While the stories vary, the main themes are very similar. What we're seeing, to a certain extent, is the 21st century version of explaining God. Don't see it as an attack on your religion or a revision, but more of a validation that the mysteries keep leading back to the same answer and the terminology is all that changes. Just food for thought... there is no better mechanism of social control than religion. If we're tribals in 10,000 BC, and I come to the village and say "I've decided I know better, and so I'm going to be in charge now. Thag and Grog here, they're my muscle. You shall not steal, or kill, or bang someone else's woman. If we catch you, we're going to bash your brains in." Compare that to "God spoke to me, and said I'm in charge. Thag and Grog are my fellow priests. Thou shalt no steal, kill, or commit adultery. If you do, you'll go to hell and suffer for all eternity. And God is ALWAYS watching." Which of those controls social behavior better? The first one? Nah. You, Thag, or Grog has to catch me. The second one, obviously. It's an absolute leash on behavior, especially when you couple it with a reward for behaving correctly (Heaven). Now, let's imagine that God is an advanced alien species that came here and engineered humanity to be what we are (which could be argued that it makes them a bunch of fuck-ups as far as alien engineers go). When they leave, and the people they left behind don't have the understanding or vocabulary to describe them properly, it could easily be imagined it would revert to religious belief as opposed to scientific understanding. Hinduism with multi-armed blue gods, Egypt with animal-headed gods, Christianity with multi-headed angels and wheels within wheels. Eyes? Nah, lights around the circumference of the craft. I'm not here to shit on religion. I'm agnostic, and I'll never tell you your god doesn't exist. I can't. But there's a lot more potential rational explanations for existence than "omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being made everything." Lovecraft said it best in a letter he wrote to a friend. "If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences. With such an honest and inflexible openness to evidence, they could not fail to receive any real truth which might be manifesting itself around them. The fact that religionists do not follow this honourable course, but cheat at their game by invoking juvenile quasi-hypnosis, is enough to destroy their pretensions in my eyes even if their absurdity were not manifest in every other direction." If you simply set everyone on the path of the truth, everyone would come to the same conclusion, and we wouldn't have up to 10,000 religions on Earth (even if 10 or so dominate the actual numbers). God could be God. Aliens could be God. The programmers of the simulation could be God. A lot of other things could be... God. Again, just food for thought, especially in light of whatever might be disclosed in the future. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Just food for thought... there is no better mechanism of social control than religion. If we're tribals in 10,000 BC, and I come to the village and say "I've decided I know better, and so I'm going to be in charge now. Thag and Grog here, they're my muscle. You shall not steal, or kill, or bang someone else's woman. If we catch you, we're going to bash your brains in." Compare that to "God spoke to me, and said I'm in charge. Thag and Grog are my fellow priests. Thou shalt no steal, kill, or commit adultery. If you do, you'll go to hell and suffer for all eternity. And God is ALWAYS watching." Which of those controls social behavior better? The first one? Nah. You, Thag, or Grog has to catch me. The second one, obviously. It's an absolute leash on behavior, especially when you couple it with a reward for behaving correctly (Heaven). Now, let's imagine that God is an advanced alien species that came here and engineered humanity to be what we are (which could be argued that it makes them a bunch of fuck-ups as far as alien engineers go). When they leave, and the people they left behind don't have the understanding or vocabulary to describe them properly, it could easily be imagined it would revert to religious belief as opposed to scientific understanding. Hinduism with multi-armed blue gods, Egypt with animal-headed gods, Christianity with multi-headed angels and wheels within wheels. Eyes? Nah, lights around the circumference of the craft. I'm not here to shit on religion. I'm agnostic, and I'll never tell you your god doesn't exist. I can't. But there's a lot more potential rational explanations for existence than "omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being made everything." Lovecraft said it best in a letter he wrote to a friend. "If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences. With such an honest and inflexible openness to evidence, they could not fail to receive any real truth which might be manifesting itself around them. The fact that religionists do not follow this honourable course, but cheat at their game by invoking juvenile quasi-hypnosis, is enough to destroy their pretensions in my eyes even if their absurdity were not manifest in every other direction." If you simply set everyone on the path of the truth, everyone would come to the same conclusion, and we wouldn't have up to 10,000 religions on Earth (even if 10 or so dominate the actual numbers). God could be God. Aliens could be God. The programmers of the simulation could be God. A lot of other things could be... God. Again, just food for thought, especially in light of whatever might be disclosed in the future. I subscribe to these new possibilities where God = other higher (at least technologically) civilization. I've spoken about this before here. There's a former biblical translator (Italian) called "Mauro Biglino". He started translating the Bible DIRECTLY from the original Hebrew sources instead of interpreting (the way the Vatican wanted) and he was fired by the Vatican and wrote several books about it. By summarizing his many books and videos (YouTube, with English translation) he says there is no whatsoever talk of ANY God in the old testament. There's a group of people called "Elohim" which is CLEARLY an actual group - with several members named individually ("Yaveh " being one of them). Many of the writings lend itself to technological interpretation (devices, flying vehicles et cetera). Once you listen to Biglino's translation (NOT interpretations) there's no going back to the theological, evidently interpreted if not completely invented "version". The Bible still remains the ACTUAL history/story of early people, just with a completely different perspective Food for Thought |
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Originally Posted By Solo_: As I said before, I consider myself a "Christian " (and I was raised as such) but only in traditional terms today. Also agnostic looking for "truth". I subscribe to these new possibilities where God = other higher (at least technologically) civilization. I've spoken about this before here. There's a former biblical translator (Italian) called "Mauro Biglino". He started translating the Bible DIRECTLY from the original Hebrew sources instead of interpreting (the way the Vatican wanted) and he was fired by the Vatican and wrote several books about it. By summarizing his many books and videos (YouTube, with English translation) he says there is no whatsoever talk of ANY God in the old testament. There's a group of people called "Elohim" which is CLEARLY an actual group - with several members named individually ("Yaveh " being one of them). Many of the writings lend itself to technological interpretation (devices, flying vehicles et cetera). Once you listen to Biglino's translation (NOT interpretations) there's no going back to the theological, evidently interpreted if not completely invented "version". The Bible still remains the ACTUAL history/story of early people, just with a completely different perspective Food for Thought The Septuagint was translated directly from Hebrew to Greek in about 300 BC. This was long before the Vatican existed. It’s called the Septuagint because 70 elders were commissioned to do the translation. They all worked individually with no interaction between any of the 70. All 70 translations were the same. What you’re saying is people who were fluent in both Hebrew and Greek during that time are wrong in their translation, but someone thousands of years later is correct. |
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I just look at it like this. If you have believed all your life that there is a God that you cannot see and that man was created in the image of god. Then in some way or another you have always believed that another dimension exists. So the god we had imagined isn’t quite the god we pictured in our head being the big white bearded old man. There is still a god and a creator. The creator of the universe is unreachable and far more powerful than the god we are under, just from something I’ve been told. I don’t know, I just want the truth to come out so we can each decide for ourselves. ETA I don’t know about the rest of you but I never pictured a time in my life I would be living through this, but I am told my soul signed up to be here during the Great Awakening. A contract I sure don’t remember signing. |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: The Septuagint was translated directly from Hebrew to Greek in about 300 BC. This was long before the Vatican existed. It’s called the Septuagint because 70 elders were commissioned to do the translation. They all worked individually with no interaction between any of the 70. All 70 translations were the same. What you’re saying is people who were fluent in both Hebrew and Greek during that time are wrong in their translation, but someone thousands of years later is correct. Except that story is exactly that, a story... a legend passed down from the very religion(s) it supports. There's no proof that actually happened beyond the story that it did. It's the equivalent of saying "the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true." It's a circular reasoning logical fallacy ("Begging the Question"). "King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher". God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did." That's pretty much it. And it assumes a lot, such as that the twelve tribes were still extant in the time of Ptolemy. So... yes. Modern scholarship might be given more weight than a self-confirming legend and logical fallacy. |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: What you're saying is people who were fluent in both Hebrew and Greek during that time are wrong in their translation, but someone thousands of years later is correct. |
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Originally Posted By Solo_: I am saying that I entertain this option - yes. And that I question earlier parts of history if it, in fact, is 'history' Originally Posted By Solo_: Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: What you're saying is people who were fluent in both Hebrew and Greek during that time are wrong in their translation, but someone thousands of years later is correct. If you’re questioning the legitimacy of how the Bible is translated, how it was assembled or if you can trust it, this is an excellent place to start. https://www.wesleyhuff.com/can-i-trust-the-bible Also modern archeology continues to uncover ancient cities from the Old Testament. Expedition Bible is a good YouTube channel for this. |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: If you're questioning the legitimacy of how the Bible is translated, how it was assembled or if you can trust it, this is an excellent place to start. https://www.wesleyhuff.com/can-i-trust-the-bible Also modern archeology continues to uncover ancient cities from the Old Testament. Expedition Bible is a good YouTube channel for this. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Except that story is exactly that, a story... a legend passed down from the very religion(s) it supports. There's no proof that actually happened beyond the story that it did. It's the equivalent of saying "the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true." It's a circular reasoning logical fallacy ("Begging the Question"). "King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher". God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did." That's pretty much it. And it assumes a lot, such as that the twelve tribes were still extant in the time of Ptolemy. So... yes. Modern scholarship might be given more weight than a self-confirming legend and logical fallacy. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: The Septuagint was translated directly from Hebrew to Greek in about 300 BC. This was long before the Vatican existed. It’s called the Septuagint because 70 elders were commissioned to do the translation. They all worked individually with no interaction between any of the 70. All 70 translations were the same. What you’re saying is people who were fluent in both Hebrew and Greek during that time are wrong in their translation, but someone thousands of years later is correct. Except that story is exactly that, a story... a legend passed down from the very religion(s) it supports. There's no proof that actually happened beyond the story that it did. It's the equivalent of saying "the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true." It's a circular reasoning logical fallacy ("Begging the Question"). "King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher". God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did." That's pretty much it. And it assumes a lot, such as that the twelve tribes were still extant in the time of Ptolemy. So... yes. Modern scholarship might be given more weight than a self-confirming legend and logical fallacy. Even if you don’t believe the story of the 72 people translating from Hebrew to Greek, it was still translated! We can use modern tools on the internet to verify the Hebrew to Greek translation today, so it doesn’t matter if that story is true. All translations today come from original text. When there are discrepancies between different manuscripts, the Bible has footnotes to document those differences. |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: Even if you don’t believe the story of the 72 people translating from Hebrew to Greek, it was still translated! We can use modern tools on the internet to verify the Hebrew to Greek translation today, so it doesn’t matter if that story is true. All translations today come from original text. When there are discrepancies between different manuscripts, the Bible has footnotes to document those differences. Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: The Septuagint was translated directly from Hebrew to Greek in about 300 BC. This was long before the Vatican existed. It’s called the Septuagint because 70 elders were commissioned to do the translation. They all worked individually with no interaction between any of the 70. All 70 translations were the same. What you’re saying is people who were fluent in both Hebrew and Greek during that time are wrong in their translation, but someone thousands of years later is correct. Except that story is exactly that, a story... a legend passed down from the very religion(s) it supports. There's no proof that actually happened beyond the story that it did. It's the equivalent of saying "the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true." It's a circular reasoning logical fallacy ("Begging the Question"). "King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers, each of them in a separate one, without revealing to them why they were summoned. He entered each one's room and said: "Write for me the Torah of Moshe, your teacher". God put it in the heart of each one to translate identically as all the others did." That's pretty much it. And it assumes a lot, such as that the twelve tribes were still extant in the time of Ptolemy. So... yes. Modern scholarship might be given more weight than a self-confirming legend and logical fallacy. Even if you don’t believe the story of the 72 people translating from Hebrew to Greek, it was still translated! We can use modern tools on the internet to verify the Hebrew to Greek translation today, so it doesn’t matter if that story is true. All translations today come from original text. When there are discrepancies between different manuscripts, the Bible has footnotes to document those differences. But, again... the only "proof" of those texts being "true" is the text itself telling you it is. The logical fallacy is the same. It's fine if you believe, that's your prerogative. It's also fine to have a closed mind and be unwilling to question those beliefs. Not saying you do, but if that's the case, it's still your prerogative. What's not fine is presenting your version of fact based on known logical fallacies and expecting anyone else to accept them. That leads nowhere but an argument that I'm not willing to be a part of, especially on this board. Which is about open-mindedness, I might add. Even if I fall short of that myself sometimes. |
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