Posted: 7/28/2014 1:55:55 PM EDT
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Here ye, here ye fellow divers....I have a quandary and since we don't have a "watch sub forum" I'll ask here.
I somewhat a fan of Citizen Dive Watches due to the ability to back up dive computers with time, depth, temp information. My current mule, Aqualand Promaster Anniversary has a busted 'crystal' and is out for repair. Estimate came back today, the Mineral Glass 'crystal' is shattered and pieces have gotten inside the Eco-Drive movements. Total repair estimate is $230.87 which IMO is pretty steep and damn near a new watch. So hive do I: -Suck it up and pay the repair? -Buy another watch? I'm leaning toward a new watch, perhaps just a straight watch like a Seiko Monster or Citizen Eco-Zilla. If I went this route, it would replace my current every day watch. Thoughts?? |
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I have an orange monster. I like it and it stands out. I don't actually dive with it much, but I do some. Solid watch at a reasonable price. Yeah that's an option but I'd miss depth/time/temp/log functions but that's not absolutely critical. My rub is that Citizen is quoting *almost* new pricing for my witch to repair it so I'm looking at buying something new. Current watch: 
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Yea, it would be nice to at least have depth. I can set the dial to follow time...if I pay attention. Basically the monster is, if we are going to be honest here, a watch that says "ooh, I am a diver" but doesn't actually add much in this day and age of computers.
Thought stay in in the honest vein...it does look good. |
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Yea, it would be nice to at least have depth. I can set the dial to follow time...if I pay attention. Basically the monster is, if we are going to be honest here, a watch that says "ooh, I am a diver" but doesn't actually add much in this day and age of computers. Thought stay in in the honest vein...it does look good. Yeah I don't care about image atall, especially when I'm on a dive trip. I have a primary and backup computer, one could argue I don't need a watch but when I'm not diving I want to have something on and I'm not fond of diving with my dressy watch (which is dive rated.) I'm leaning towards a new Citizen Promaster so I have the added functions as I'm in the price ballpark of the repair and I'll have a full wayentee. Truth be told, I never really liked the model I've got as the band is non standard and uncomfortable; no NATO strap. My current model replaced an Aqualand Duplex TI which I loved but it the case of that watch, the main sealed failed and the watch flooded on a dive. To Citizen's credit, they replace my Duplex with the model I have now, (I had to pay $50,) so kudos to them but I feel the Promaster line ain't what they used to be. |
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I have the citizen Professional Diver 300m-built like a tank but big and chunky Edit-check out Tag Aquaracer. Pricey of course but I wear mine daily and dove a few times with it If I were going to go the expensive watch route >$1000, I'd go with an Omega SeaMaster. I can't see taking an expensive 'luxury' watch u/w, I know guys who do it but I can't. I'm looking at Citizen Aqualand's now, I can get essentially the same watch I have now for $40 over the repair price and that nets me a *new* watch. |
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A bit off topic but this discussion made me look up the Submariners. In my head they were like 3k...holy crap now I know why I have a Seiko. Yep, they're pricey but you can buy used for $3K. I do want a Seamaster but can't bring myself to drop that kind of coin for a watch. |
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I have a Citizen Pro Master Eco Dive watch and love it. http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg420/danwest/1369411761_zps83147461.jpg Yep, they're good watched although I do not like that all analog setup. I've opted to let the repair center fix my existing watch, once I get it back I'll update. |
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Submariner is what I have. I dive with it as well, but most of my diving is in a dry suit.
I don't see much need in a dive watch when I have two computers and a buddy. Plus, I cut tables for anything that will have deco. But if you want a decent dive watch that lasts... http://www.worldofwatches.com/detail.asp?d=Seiko&iq=1&bo_products_variance_id=62148&rid=googlebase&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlebase&utm_campaign=watches&utm_content=SEIKO-SKX009K2&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=COPX96OE8L8CFYMF7Aodkk8Aiw I gave my brother one of these and he has had it for 10 years. You might want the rubber one http://www.worldofwatches.com/detail.asp?iq=1&bo_products_id=0&bo_products_variance_id=216699&gid=gidmybuys&green=4297907C-2DBA-524E-BCB8-E8C03A3347B2 I used World of Watches a few times... Happy with them. |
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Submariner is what I have. I dive with it as well, but most of my diving is in a dry suit. I don't see much need in a dive watch when I have two computers and a buddy. Plus, I cut tables for anything that will have deco. But if you want a decent dive watch that lasts... http://www.worldofwatches.com/detail.asp?d=Seiko&iq=1&bo_products_variance_id=62148&rid=googlebase&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlebase&utm_campaign=watches&utm_content=SEIKO-SKX009K2&CAGPSPN=pla&gclid=COPX96OE8L8CFYMF7Aodkk8Aiw I gave my brother one of these and he has had it for 10 years. You might want the rubber one http://www.worldofwatches.com/detail.asp?iq=1&bo_products_id=0&bo_products_variance_id=216699&gid=gidmybuys&green=4297907C-2DBA-524E-BCB8-E8C03A3347B2 I used World of Watches a few times... Happy with them. Well, I'll eventually pick up an Omega or maybe a Rolex and also dive with two computers. Call me old-fashioned but I like a watch backup plus having a watch for when I'm above water; nice t hing about Citizens is you break, loose or get it stolen you're not out $$$$$. Repair place called and told me the watch was mailed today so I'll have it in a couple of days. |
| The Seamaster Professional is everything that the Submariner is for less than half the price except for the little crown if that matters to you. With that said, a G-Shock does everything and more than a either, will go down to any depth that we're diving at, costs WAY less, and will survive just about any abuse that you can throw at it. My Seamaster broke the crown after a 4 foot fall and the bezel popped out numerous times after other "shocks", repair bill was almost $600. I now use my "diving watch" for dressing up, and my G-Shock for work, diving and just about everything else. |
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Yep, that's what I had/still have. The Eco-Drive really is *the* killer feature on these watches. Quoted:
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Citizen with eco-drive Yep, that's what I had/still have. The Eco-Drive really is *the* killer feature on these watches. I was on my phone and didn't read the whole thing. But yes, eco drive really is the best feature on these watches. Although Seiko has a solar option i have been meaning to look into. |
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I was on my phone and didn't read the whole thing. But yes, eco drive really is the best feature on these watches. Although Seiko has a solar option i have been meaning to look into. Quoted:
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Citizen with eco-drive Yep, that's what I had/still have. The Eco-Drive really is *the* killer feature on these watches. I was on my phone and didn't read the whole thing. But yes, eco drive really is the best feature on these watches. Although Seiko has a solar option i have been meaning to look into. I haven't seen Seiko's solar offerings, honestly I think Seiko build's a better watch over Citizen. Honestly, I almost got a Seiko Monster but really wanted to keep depth/temp/dive log functions but looks like Citizen has gone away from those functions in their current offerings. Honestly in the days of good, cheap dive computers it really makes no sense. I found a ScubaPro Meridian for $500 NIB which makes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more sense than the MSRP on these watches. |
| I've been diving for over 30 years (was PADI as a teenager and later was a diver in the mil) and I don't believe in dive computers- too expensive and don't trust technology on something that can be so catastrophic should something go wrong. In fact, we weren't even allowed to use them in the mil. That being said, my every day and very capable dive watch is a casio G shock- $50 at Wal Mart. |
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I've been diving for over 30 years (was PADI as a teenager and later was a diver in the mil) and I don't believe in dive computers- too expensive and don't trust technology on something that can be so catastrophic should something go wrong. In fact, we weren't even allowed to use them in the mil. That being said, my every day and very capable dive watch is a casio G shock- $50 at Wal Mart. I've been diving for 20 years and love the information and extended diving a computer offers. I also keep dive tables in my bag and make a mental note before heading down what my nodeco limit is in case of computer failure. I actually dive with two computers also in case of a failure of the primary. |
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I've been diving for 20 years and love the information and extended diving a computer offers. I also keep dive tables in my bag and make a mental note before heading down what my nodeco limit is in case of computer failure. I actually dive with two computers also in case of a failure of the primary. Quoted:
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I've been diving for over 30 years (was PADI as a teenager and later was a diver in the mil) and I don't believe in dive computers- too expensive and don't trust technology on something that can be so catastrophic should something go wrong. In fact, we weren't even allowed to use them in the mil. That being said, my every day and very capable dive watch is a casio G shock- $50 at Wal Mart. I've been diving for 20 years and love the information and extended diving a computer offers. I also keep dive tables in my bag and make a mental note before heading down what my nodeco limit is in case of computer failure. I actually dive with two computers also in case of a failure of the primary. No shit, those days of wonky computers are looooooooong gone not to mention how cheap DC are are. I dive with two, mainly because I have them, plus a single-head pressure gauge. Shit, I still have an Eon circa 2000 that's still chugging along just fine and some older Nikteks I can't kill. In recreational diving, computers offer so much more freedom while staying in a conservative profile. Knowing tables is still VERY important but PADI and SSI are moving away from teaching them in basic O/W which IMO is a bad idea. The story of Navy Dive Tables is fascinating by the way. |
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No shit, those days of wonky computers are looooooooong gone not to mention how cheap DC are are. I dive with two, mainly because I have them, plus a single-head pressure gauge. Shit, I still have an Eon circa 2000 that's still chugging along just fine and some older Nikteks I can't kill. In recreational diving, computers offer so much more freedom while staying in a conservative profile. Knowing tables is still VERY important but PADI and SSI are moving away from teaching them in basic O/W which IMO is a bad idea. The story of Navy Dive Tables is fascinating by the way. Quoted:
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I've been diving for over 30 years (was PADI as a teenager and later was a diver in the mil) and I don't believe in dive computers- too expensive and don't trust technology on something that can be so catastrophic should something go wrong. In fact, we weren't even allowed to use them in the mil. That being said, my every day and very capable dive watch is a casio G shock- $50 at Wal Mart. I've been diving for 20 years and love the information and extended diving a computer offers. I also keep dive tables in my bag and make a mental note before heading down what my nodeco limit is in case of computer failure. I actually dive with two computers also in case of a failure of the primary. No shit, those days of wonky computers are looooooooong gone not to mention how cheap DC are are. I dive with two, mainly because I have them, plus a single-head pressure gauge. Shit, I still have an Eon circa 2000 that's still chugging along just fine and some older Nikteks I can't kill. In recreational diving, computers offer so much more freedom while staying in a conservative profile. Knowing tables is still VERY important but PADI and SSI are moving away from teaching them in basic O/W which IMO is a bad idea. The story of Navy Dive Tables is fascinating by the way. SSI doesn't require teaching the tables any longer although there are questions on the ow exam that refer to them. The shop I am getting my instructor cert through does require teaching them. |
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SSI doesn't require teaching the tables any longer although there are questions on the ow exam that refer to them. The shop I am getting my instructor cert through does require teaching them. Quoted:
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I've been diving for over 30 years (was PADI as a teenager and later was a diver in the mil) and I don't believe in dive computers- too expensive and don't trust technology on something that can be so catastrophic should something go wrong. In fact, we weren't even allowed to use them in the mil. That being said, my every day and very capable dive watch is a casio G shock- $50 at Wal Mart. I've been diving for 20 years and love the information and extended diving a computer offers. I also keep dive tables in my bag and make a mental note before heading down what my nodeco limit is in case of computer failure. I actually dive with two computers also in case of a failure of the primary. No shit, those days of wonky computers are looooooooong gone not to mention how cheap DC are are. I dive with two, mainly because I have them, plus a single-head pressure gauge. Shit, I still have an Eon circa 2000 that's still chugging along just fine and some older Nikteks I can't kill. In recreational diving, computers offer so much more freedom while staying in a conservative profile. Knowing tables is still VERY important but PADI and SSI are moving away from teaching them in basic O/W which IMO is a bad idea. The story of Navy Dive Tables is fascinating by the way. SSI doesn't require teaching the tables any longer although there are questions on the ow exam that refer to them. The shop I am getting my instructor cert through does require teaching them. IMO that's dumb, every diver should understand them at least the science behind them. Even with computers one should plan their dives and stick to that profile, a mandatory safety stop should be followed even if your computer tells you one is not required. Knowing you own limits is key and always asses divers before you jump off the boat, in your mind figure out who may be a problem. I've seen some really dumb and careless divers in my day; OP I feel for you. 
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I have a Citizen Pro Master Eco Dive watch and love it. http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg420/danwest/1369411761_zps83147461.jpg Love mine |
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I dive with a marathon TSAR with a zulu 'nitrox orange' drysuit extended length band. its quite literally the perfect dive watch. I also have a submariner but when diving dry I hate changing out the straps, plus quite honestly the TSAR with the tritium dials and bezel is simply a better dive watch. Count me in the group of those that would never ever do a serious dive without having a true dive watch (with one way dive bezel) strapped to my arm in case i need to reach for my tables and plan profile at soem point. |
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If Citizen made this watch again, I'd buy another just to have as backup. I wear it everyday. http://www.princetonwatches.com/images/watches/BM6210-56A.jpg The current Citizen diving selection sucks, if I were buying new I'd go with a Tuna or EcoZilla now or roll with a basic Dive computer watch. I opted to repair my Aqualand as I use it for my 'outdoor' watch as well but I won't be going back for thirds. I will say that Citzen's accent alarm is to GD sensitive, while diving last month the bitch was whining while both my DC showed normal range. |
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If I were going to go the expensive watch route >$1000, I'd go with an Omega SeaMaster. I can't see taking an expensive 'luxury' watch u/w, I know guys who do it but I can't. I'm looking at Citizen Aqualand's now, I can get essentially the same watch I have now for $40 over the repair price and that nets me a *new* watch. Quoted:
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I have the citizen Professional Diver 300m-built like a tank but big and chunky Edit-check out Tag Aquaracer. Pricey of course but I wear mine daily and dove a few times with it If I were going to go the expensive watch route >$1000, I'd go with an Omega SeaMaster. I can't see taking an expensive 'luxury' watch u/w, I know guys who do it but I can't. I'm looking at Citizen Aqualand's now, I can get essentially the same watch I have now for $40 over the repair price and that nets me a *new* watch. Seamasters can definitely handle it. 
Why buy a luxury diver if you're afraid to dive with it? If you're worried about losing it to a springbar mishap, throw it on a NATO. If you want to go budget, Seiko makes a solar powered diver that looks pretty nice. Looks more traditional than most of the offerings from Citizen, though it does lack the useful features of your watch (mostly depth). |