[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why Full Auto? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/13/2011 11:54:24 AM EDT
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So.. some of the comments on the other topics got me to thinking..
I've been trying to rationalize and logic this through, but I can't. Why full auto? Against regular bodies, it's not super effective, but in a survival/zombie scenario, it's just down right wasteful. I against zombies, 1 to the head works.. so why pull the trigger and loose even 3, when one will do? What's the obsession with Full Auto? It's fun to shoot when you have ammo to burn, but when it's limited? |
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I've never even used full auto in combat (unless that's the only way said weapon fired like the M2, M240, or M249). The only time I could ever see it coming in handing is for the rager type zombies from 28 Days Later.... far too quick for calculated shooting. So, in other words, I completely agree with you that its wasteful.
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I've only shot an AK and a .22 on full auto, so experience is a little lacking for me, hence the question.
Now, the .22 on full auto is understandable. there really isn't any kick, so holding it in a steady pattern was easy.. but even using the die mothefucker die method of shot bursts on the AK I still had flyers all over the place. |
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So.. some of the comments on the other topics got me to thinking.. I've been trying to rationalize and logic this through, but I can't. Why full auto? Against regular bodies, it's not super effective, but in a survival/zombie scenario, it's just down right wasteful. I against zombies, 1 to the head works.. so why pull the trigger and loose even 3, when one will do? What's the obsession with Full Auto? It's fun to shoot when you have ammo to burn, but when it's limited? I think full auto would result in a FAST depletion of ammo supplies. I am sure it has its uses against crowds or if caught in a tight space, but I think being conservative with your movements and making good decisions about when to fight and when to lay low would serve better. |
| Just to have it. If you have the option and dont take it, then I'll be glad when you're zombie food. There's no law that says when you have a full auto weapon that you have to use it in only full auto. There's nothing wrong with having an ace in the whole if the need were to arise. Just my 2 dollars and 35 cents though. |
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I heard a saying once. If you dont have automatic weapons the first day that SHTF. You will by day two. That's more true than we would care to admit.... For me, a nice SBR and a Can would be my dream. I love suppressed weapons, but the combo of the two ........ Nothing crazy, just a 10-12 in AR (preferably piston like my LWRCi or MRP), and a nice AAC Can. I would trade ten full auto guns for that set-up. SOS |
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I've never even used full auto in combat (unless that's the only way said weapon fired like the M2, M240, or M249). The only time I could ever see it coming in handing is for the rager type zombies from 28 Days Later.... far too quick for calculated shooting. So, in other words, I completely agree with you that its wasteful. SOS +1. Most of the time you won't ever use it, but against ragers at close range it would be very useful PROVIDED you kept your head and didn't piss all your ammo away. I owned an NFA Mac 10 for a couple of years.I got pretty good at getting 3-5 round bursts center of mass at 50 yards consistently, but it took a lot of practice.Z Day probably won't allow anyone the luxury of tuning up for a fight.Sticking with semi auto is probably the best bet for most. |
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I heard a saying once. If you dont have automatic weapons the first day that SHTF. You will by day two. That's more true than we would care to admit.... For me, a nice SBR and a Can would be my dream. I love suppressed weapons, but the combo of the two ........ Nothing crazy, just a 10-12 in AR (preferably piston like my LWRCi or MRP), and a nice AAC Can. I would trade ten full auto guns for that set-up. SOS Awesome. I'll start the paperwork and send you my class 3 FFL's info tomorrow 
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Actually, I can think of a scenario or two and have/use FA/burst weapons for work and personal use. If we are talking about a genuine evil dead rising, and you find yourself in a position that is in peril of being over-run, full auto in controlled bursts can proved you an exfil path/lane by taking out the knees. No, it doesn't kill them. It does slow them down and reduce their mobility. Thats only one, but I can think of others. If you practice as others have pointed out, you can fire 2,3 and more round bursts just by touch. I'd rather have the option than not...
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I heard a saying once. If you dont have automatic weapons the first day that SHTF. You will by day two. I heard another saying, ACCURACY BY VOLUME 
If you have thousands and thousands of rounds put up, I guess I can agree. But if your on foot with limited supplies and ammo, not a good choice. JMHO. |
| I think a burst of full auto could be more useful as a deterrent than anything else. Someone wanting to steal your stuff might think twice if you fire at them, but they'd most likely shit their pants if it was a burst of auto in their direction. Aside from that I really don't want the option to burn through my supplies so quickly. |
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I heard a saying once. If you dont have automatic weapons the first day that SHTF. You will by day two. I heard another saying, ACCURACY BY VOLUME
If you have thousands and thousands of rounds put up, I guess I can agree. But if your on foot with limited supplies and ammo, not a good choice. JMHO. One zombie bite will ruin your whole life! I am pretty accurate with a M-16 under 100 yards and if I was facing a massed attack, I am going to rock and roll. Nothing like getting bitten but still having thousands of rounds of ammo. |
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Quoted: I've never even used full auto in combat (unless that's the only way said weapon fired like the M2, M240, or M249). The only time I could ever see it coming in handing is for the rager type zombies from 28 Days Later.... far too quick for calculated shooting. So, in other words, I completely agree with you that its wasteful. SOS So FA as an option available to you, with the flick of a switch, wouldn't be a bad idea then huh!? Keep it in Semi for you calculated shots, and Auto for 28 Days Later scenarios. |
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Full auto, am I correct in thinking it will quickly screw your barrel if you rock n roll too much. Andy. You will need sustained full auto fire with rapid reloading over the course of like 400+ rounds to fuck your shit up. Not sure how many 100rnd mags it would take though. Do some google fu. M4 catches fire... Thats a good term to start with 
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Full auto, am I correct in thinking it will quickly screw your barrel if you rock n roll too much. Andy. You will need sustained full auto fire with rapid reloading over the course of like 400+ rounds to fuck your shit up. Not sure how many 100rnd mags it would take though. Do some google fu. M4 catches fire... Thats a good term to start with Good enough reason for semi then afaic. Andy. |
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I've never even used full auto in combat (unless that's the only way said weapon fired like the M2, M240, or M249). The only time I could ever see it coming in handing is for the rager type zombies from 28 Days Later.... far too quick for calculated shooting. So, in other words, I completely agree with you that its wasteful. SOS The only type that could possibly be real. |
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I've never even used full auto in combat (unless that's the only way said weapon fired like the M2, M240, or M249). The only time I could ever see it coming in handing is for the rager type zombies from 28 Days Later.... far too quick for calculated shooting. So, in other words, I completely agree with you that its wasteful. SOS The only type that could possibly be real. Afraid I will have to disagree with you there. Look at day to day life... Mindless driving to and from work. Waking up following the same routine day in and day out. Never stepping outside the norm. That's a zombie. When there is an accident on the highway or someone has a flat and no one steps up to help. A fire in a home with people inside and no one rushes in to try and save them. A gun man enters a bank or store and no one dares assault him. That's a zombie... People live in a daze and will not break the cycle for fear of consequence. So we are surrounded by zombies even as we sit here. Sheeple are just fresher zeds. |
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Select Fire is another tool in your tool box. It's good against breathers, Marauders, raiders, or Pirates. CQB to out to 100 yards to suppress fire or break contact. Just my .02 -Arbiter Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This... But I agree that occasions for it's appropiate use would be few and far between. If the opportunity to acquire a select fire weapon presented itself in SHTF it would probably be a good idea to grab it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Full auto, am I correct in thinking it will quickly screw your barrel if you rock n roll too much. Andy. You will need sustained full auto fire with rapid reloading over the course of like 400+ rounds to fuck your shit up. Not sure how many 100rnd mags it would take though. Do some google fu. M4 catches fire... Thats a good term to start with I don't own full-auto toys anymore but do own cans and SBR's so I kinda speak from experience. Yes, you can fubar your barrel, but it will take some abuse. A good chrome-lined barrel will stand up to a beta-mag or two back to back, but the gas tube will not. I dumped a beta mag and slapped in a 30 right after (doing a durability test for a board sponsor back in the day) and I added a nice extra curve to the gas tube. This was with a 11.5" CL 1/7 twist barrel running just an H-buffer so it was running pretty fast. You are correct in the 400 rounds or so statement. Depends on the barrel profile. The SOCOM teams went with the M4A1 profile due to the break contact drills the SEAL teams were doing (it's all detailed in the M16 pt2 book). It was sometimes causing standard M4 profile barrels to rupture under the handguards. If memory serves this was in the 300+ round territory. Mind you, this was with 30rnd mags so there would have been minor down time with mag changes. With 60 or 100 round mags it would occur faster just due to the sustained fire. |
| By and large I agree that FA is wasteful come z-day, but there are always exceptions. Most notable IMHO would be the belt fed M2. Even w/out headshots, the effectiveness of blowing limbs off and physically knocking them down can not be dismissed. Now do I have a M2... no, but come z-day it would be a priority to procure one. |
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By and large I agree that FA is wasteful come z-day, but there are always exceptions. Most notable IMHO would be the belt fed M2. Even w/out headshots, the effectiveness of blowing limbs off and physically knocking them down can not be dismissed. Now do I have a M2... no, but come z-day it would be a priority to procure one. That and it would be great for repelling any sort of vehicle born attack on your BIL by hostile survivors... It would be a bitch though if you were lugging it around while on the move. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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By and large I agree that FA is wasteful come z-day, but there are always exceptions. Most notable IMHO would be the belt fed M2. Even w/out headshots, the effectiveness of blowing limbs off and physically knocking them down can not be dismissed. Now do I have a M2... no, but come z-day it would be a priority to procure one. That and it would be great for repelling any sort of vehicle born attack on your BIL by hostile survivors... It would be a bitch though if you were lugging it around while on the move. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Unless its in a turret mount of a HMMWV 
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I think I see where this is going. I almost got banned for the soon to come discussion of plans. Just a heads up so you dont make the same mistake as me
An interesting point that was brought up to me is you'll have to beat every other disgruntled E3 to the guns, vics, and ammo. I still havent figured my way around that 
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I heard a saying once. If you dont have automatic weapons the first day that SHTF. You will by day two. I heard another saying, ACCURACY BY VOLUME
If you have thousands and thousands of rounds put up, I guess I can agree. But if your on foot with limited supplies and ammo, not a good choice. JMHO. One zombie bite will ruin your whole life! I am pretty accurate with a M-16 under 100 yards and if I was facing a massed attack, I am going to rock and roll. Nothing like getting bitten but still having thousands of rounds of ammo. But that is where making good decisions about when and where you move comes into play. There WILL be times when it safer to move around than others, and there WILL be places that it is safer to move though than others. I still say staying quiet, and not attracting attention to yourself is the way to go here. Full auto will bring them running Zeds or the living. |
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I think I see where this is going. I almost got banned for the soon to come discussion of plans. Just a heads up so you dont make the same mistake as me
An interesting point that was brought up to me is you'll have to beat every other disgruntled E3 to the guns, vics, and ammo. I still havent figured my way around that Little different when talking in the survival forum where you get your arms, food, etc. from after the EMP or financial collapse. When talking zombies, A.) there are liable to be "charity" guns lying around from now zombies LE/MIL, and B.) its a fantasy world and social norms may not apply (heck, there is a lengthy thread on sexual relations with zombies for crying out loud). |