Posted: 12/23/2013 7:30:15 PM EDT
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As some of you know, our beloved black Lab Boomer, is in her final days of having osteosarcoma. The wife and I have discussed getting a puppy after Boomer's gone. I have looked at some breeders, some that breed the English Labrador.
Boomer was a freebie, best damn dog I have owned and she is an American Field Labrador. Has any here had both? If so, what differences, if any have observed with them? We are not ruling out another one like Boomer, including a one that is given away. Thanks |
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As some of you know, our beloved black Lab Boomer, is in her final days of having osteosarcoma. The wife and I have discussed getting a puppy after Boomer's gone. I have looked at some breeders, some that breed the English Labrador. Boomer was a freebie, best damn dog I have owned and she is an American Field Labrador. Has any here had both? If so, what differences, if any have observed with them? We are not ruling out another one like Boomer, including a one that is given away. Thanks I've had neither, but my understanding is that the English bred labs tend to be shorter and stockier. No difference personality wise. |
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My first (black)lab was an "English lab". he weighed in at about 100 pounds and 28-29 inches at the shoulder. We ended up getting him for free since the place we got him never cashed our check. While he was a great dog, he wouldn't hunt and hated guns.
Our current lab, a chocolate, is a much smaller "American Lab" and meets the breed standard for bitches. at 11 months she is 55 pounds and about 23 inches at the shoulder. She is a very birdy dog and loves to work. Both dogs exhibit many of the same mannerisms, and if I take into account the circumstances under which the two dogs were raised, I'd say the only difference is size. Callie is almost done growing now and it's nice to have a smaller dog that can curl up on a single couch cushion, instead of a horse, that needs it's own bedroom. She is every bit the dog Sachmo was, but in a smaller package. ETA: I just looked up osteosarcoma, 
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English tend to be "blockier" and American tend to be "leggier" but in todays breeding all bets are off.
ColonelHurtz likes my dog and her lines  (mix of AKC with a MH title with a show dog mother with an AKC JH title) she is a cool as shit little duck dog and an amazing house dog the rest of the year.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_11/653378_Evolution_of_a_duck_dog__picture_heavy_.html Let me know if you want any more info on the breeding |
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English tend to be "blockier" and American tend to be "leggier" but in todays breeding all bets are off. ColonelHurtz likes my dog and her lines (mix of AKC with a MH title with a show dog mother with an AKC JH title) she is a cool as shit little duck dog and an amazing house dog the rest of the year.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_10_11/653378_Evolution_of_a_duck_dog__picture_heavy_.html Let me know if you want any more info on the breeding Oh man, that is a hell of a great looking dog. I miss my Boomer.. 
We have a breeder and we are getting an .American Field Labrador. I have a question-I'm not going to hunt her, but I do what to get her used to loud noises, like gun shots, fireworks, thunder. I have been reading up on how to train a puppy on that, how did you do it? Thanks |
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Take it slow, make it fun.......always associate the noise with something positive/fun. Blank pistol in the distance at feeding time is a start, when they get old enough that retrieving is the only thing in life it makes things much easier, and they will put the bang with fetching.
I have yet to have a lab that hated fireworks of thunder, they are always "on point" when they hear the noise.......but you could fire a cannon over their head and they would be looking for something to bring back to you 
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Take it slow, make it fun.......always associate the noise with something positive/fun. Blank pistol in the distance at feeding time is a start, when they get old enough that retrieving is the only thing in life it makes things much easier, and they will put the bang with fetching. I have yet to have a lab that hated fireworks of thunder, they are always "on point" when they hear the noise.......but you could fire a cannon over their head and they would be looking for something to bring back to you Awesome. I read about the blanks at a distance and feeding time or something to occupy them as you do it. How long until they were used to it or is it a work in progress? |
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Honestly I didn't do the shoot at feeding time with her, I just waited until she was drunk with retrieving and started with the pistol at a far distance during training sessions. It took all of 2 sessions and we were shooting right over her (I am sure we could have done it on the first one) dead pigeons also helped. My first chocolate I was killing pigeons over her at the farm when she was 4 months, my second chocolate needed a longer time, and worked into it slower.
So yes, they are all different and better to take it slow and safe then fire a 12 ga. over their head and say suck it up......it is a lot easier to break them in slowly, than un fuck a gun shy dog who eats your furniture or craps all over the floor at the first sign of a t-storm. |
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Honestly I didn't do the shoot at feeding time with her, I just waited until she was drunk with retrieving and started with the pistol at a far distance during training sessions. It took all of 2 sessions and we were shooting right over her (I am sure we could have done it on the first one) dead pigeons also helped. My first chocolate I was killing pigeons over her at the farm when she was 4 months, my second chocolate needed a longer time, and worked into it slower. So yes, they are all different and better to take it slow and safe then fire a 12 ga. over their head and say suck it up......it is a lot easier to break them in slowly, than un fuck a gun shy dog who eats your furniture or craps all over the floor at the first sign of a t-storm. Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it. |
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Hey Dog1, Check out my post about a black lab rescue in the works. You may very well have another great freebie in the making. If you IM joker1 from my thread, you can converse with him about her rehab progress and find out more about her temperament and suitability for your purposes. She'll be up for adoption when he's done with her unless he falls in love with black labs (he's a fan of Springers).
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1577517_Paging_Fluffy_the_Cat____and_any_other_dog_lovers.html I visited her at the humane society today to give her some treats and walk and brush her...she is really coming out of her shell. Big-boned, long-legged, gorgeous. Moves out like a racehorse. Don't know if she has a soft mouth for ducks but she loves her honking stuffed duck toy and she has the typical goofy lab friendliness. :-) I'd take her myself if I had the room and a husband that doesn't already resent me for my german shepherd/lab mix rescue, lol. Oops! Missed your post about already having a breeder. Well, if you know anyone looking for a nice lab...check out the thread. She's gonna be a beaut.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1577517_Paging_Fluffy_the_Cat____and_any_other_dog_lovers.html |
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Honestly I didn't do the shoot at feeding time with her, I just waited until she was drunk with retrieving and started with the pistol at a far distance during training sessions. It took all of 2 sessions and we were shooting right over her (I am sure we could have done it on the first one) dead pigeons also helped. My first chocolate I was killing pigeons over her at the farm when she was 4 months, my second chocolate needed a longer time, and worked into it slower. So yes, they are all different and better to take it slow and safe then fire a 12 ga. over their head and say suck it up......it is a lot easier to break them in slowly, than un fuck a gun shy dog who eats your furniture or craps all over the floor at the first sign of a t-storm. Thanks for the tips, I appreciate it. No prob! Any questions come up feel free to IM me......I will try to help. 
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Quoted: As some of you know, our beloved black Lab Boomer, is in her final days of having osteosarcoma. The wife and I have discussed getting a puppy after Boomer's gone. I have looked at some breeders, some that breed the English Labrador. Boomer was a freebie, best damn dog I have owned and she is an American Field Labrador. Has any here had both? If so, what differences, if any have observed with them? We are not ruling out another one like Boomer, including a one that is given away. Thanks MY parents have had both, they like the smaller stockier ones. The all seem to have the lab puppy that lasts 3-4 years. All great dogs. Our Boomer on the right. Good luck OP, losing a dog is hard.   |