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11/8/2011 4:49:28 AM EDT


What is the general consensus from those in the training biz about these two types of leashes?






Is a fixed leash better for training/controlling a dog?





Does having the extra lead length give the dog a perception of being more in control than the owner?





I have both kinds and find sometimes it is more difficult to get my dog to respond to commands when the retractable is fully extended.





I am wondering if switching is confusing for the dog.




 
11/8/2011 6:13:11 AM EDT
[#1]
I am not a trainer, but I have been very successful with the handful of bully breeds I have trained.  So IMO If your dog is sub 25lbs, retractables are OK... Anything over 25lbs requires a fixed length lead.  I have 2 pitts (45 & 61lbs full grown)  

Collar height around the neck is also important.  The higher the collar the more control the owner has over said animal.

I live in a condo complex and watch dumb owners loose control over their dogs all the time, 99% of them are all on retractable leads, the rest just small owners unable to control a 100lb dog.  One good sharp pull will break most retractable mechanisms.  I know they make retractables for large breeds, but I still prefer a fixed lead wrapped securely around my wrist.    
11/8/2011 6:19:47 PM EDT
[#2]
Both tools have value for training, as does a regular long line. However retractable leashes (otherwise known by the trade name "Flexi") are more normally used by totally clueless idiots and their completely untrained dogs, hence they have a very bad reputation.

All basic training should take place with a 6' lead, preferably one of light leather construction, no more than 1/2" wide, even for a large dog. Using too heavy a leash provides leash cues when you don't want them (for example my rather large dog is sensitive even to a 3/8" light leather training leash). In basic training, heel, sit, down, stay and stand and place are all taught with this lead, as are the beginning rudiments of come (recall). Same for more advanced behaviors such as the left and right finish, pivots, fronts, reverse heeling, high jump, bar jump and broad jump.

The Flexi is great for training the recall and for shaping certain more advanced behaviors that require more freedom of movement by the dog, for example the broad jump as performed in AKC Obedience competition. However for most people the recall is better accomplished using a long line as it is a lot easier to use.

All that said, you can probably tell that in general 99% of the time you want the 6' leash. It doesn't sound like your training has progressed to the point where there is any value in using the Flexi.

Remember: restraining is not training. Your leash provides a mechanism to make collar corrections (leash "pop") and should not be used to drag a dog around. If your leash has any tension in it you are "doing it wrong".

Also, the leash and collar are a system. If you are not getting the results you want on a flat collar get a prong collar (or if the prong lights the dog up, a choke, but those are much harder to use). My neighbor has been dragged down the street by her Golden for the last 6 years. I *finally* convinced her, secondary to an ankle injury from the dog pulling her over, to shitcan the damn Halti and put a prong and a light leash on her dog. I put 5 minutes in with the dog, getting it through a little meltdown that it had in initial reaction and then gave her the dog and taught her to make corrections, not apply pressure. In just 20 minutes that dog was heeling nearly perfectly. She couldn't believe it, especially after 6 years of "doing it wrong". Super smart dog, BTW.

For all you prong-haters: they apply less pressure and are therefore safer than flats or chokes. Get over the looks of it. More/smaller prongs are better––more pinch per inch
11/9/2011 6:20:18 AM EDT
[#3]


 Thanks for the input. I use the flexi for general walks and daily business. If we are going to a more crowded area I'll usually take the 6 foot line.


He is a 15.5 lb 6 yr old mini schnauzer. He is pretty well behaved but I have learned that things will catch his eye and as the ratter he is he will try to take off after things that appear to be small animals.






11/9/2011 8:13:09 AM EDT
[#4]
Good advice above. Use a lightweight, 6 foot or so leather leash (mine is only 1/2" wide and my dog is 28" tall and weighs 85 pounds)  for daily use and most training. Use either a very long, lightweight lead or a long retractable one for training recalls ("come" command).
11/9/2011 1:01:44 PM EDT
[#5]
Those retractables are junk. Dog should be at your side, not ten feet out in front.
11/13/2011 6:01:29 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Those retractables are junk. Dog should be at your side, not ten feet out in front.


Unless your a bomb dog handler, then retractables are awesome!
11/13/2011 6:23:26 PM EDT
[#7]
I have a small dog and I find the retractable  to be a great device for general walking and such .

No tangling around his legs due to slack in the line . Very controlable too w one hand . also eazy to shorten w one hand .

I find it superior .
11/14/2011 4:13:41 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Both tools have value for training, as does a regular long line. However retractable leashes (otherwise known by the trade name "Flexi") are more normally used by totally clueless idiots and their completely untrained dogs, hence they have a very bad reputation.

All basic training should take place with a 6' lead, preferably one of light leather construction, no more than 1/2" wide, even for a large dog. Using too heavy a leash provides leash cues when you don't want them (for example my rather large dog is sensitive even to a 3/8" light leather training leash). In basic training, heel, sit, down, stay and stand and place are all taught with this lead, as are the beginning rudiments of come (recall). Same for more advanced behaviors such as the left and right finish, pivots, fronts, reverse heeling, high jump, bar jump and broad jump.

The Flexi is great for training the recall and for shaping certain more advanced behaviors that require more freedom of movement by the dog, for example the broad jump as performed in AKC Obedience competition. However for most people the recall is better accomplished using a long line as it is a lot easier to use.

All that said, you can probably tell that in general 99% of the time you want the 6' leash. It doesn't sound like your training has progressed to the point where there is any value in using the Flexi.

Remember: restraining is not training. Your leash provides a mechanism to make collar corrections (leash "pop") and should not be used to drag a dog around. If your leash has any tension in it you are "doing it wrong".

Also, the leash and collar are a system. If you are not getting the results you want on a flat collar get a prong collar (or if the prong lights the dog up, a choke, but those are much harder to use). My neighbor has been dragged down the street by her Golden for the last 6 years. I *finally* convinced her, secondary to an ankle injury from the dog pulling her over, to shitcan the damn Halti and put a prong and a light leash on her dog. I put 5 minutes in with the dog, getting it through a little meltdown that it had in initial reaction and then gave her the dog and taught her to make corrections, not apply pressure. In just 20 minutes that dog was heeling nearly perfectly. She couldn't believe it, especially after 6 years of "doing it wrong". Super smart dog, BTW.

For all you prong-haters: they apply less pressure and are therefore safer than flats or chokes. Get over the looks of it. More/smaller prongs are better––more pinch per inch


Question... Why the harp on leather training leashes? From my experiences a solid 6' single or double stick nylon lead works just as well and is usually cheaper and lasts longer.
11/14/2011 11:22:02 PM EDT
[#9]
Leather is a million times easier on your hands. The nylon ones will tear you to pieces if you have anything bigger than a chihuahua.  



Oh, and flexi's suck.
11/15/2011 4:52:54 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
All basic training should take place with a 6' lead, preferably one of light leather construction...


Question... Why the harp on leather training leashes? From my experiences a solid 6' single or double stick nylon lead works just as well and is usually cheaper and lasts longer.


That's a completely fair statement and question. I thought the same thing, too, but when I started serious dog training I found that the "feel" both for the handler and the dog was not what it needed to be with a nylon lead. A 3/8 or 1/2", broken-in, leather lead give the least amount of unintended leash cues to the dog, feels great in the hand and, if you compete, distracts the judges the least. When you jump into a class with a bunch of experienced handlers and they are all using leather leads it's not because the training place wanted to sell a bunch of them!

11/15/2011 8:29:41 PM EDT
[#11]
When in a populated area, my dog is on a fixed leash and at my side where he belongs.
I think that the retractable leashes give the dogs a false sense of being in charge.
11/17/2011 4:44:42 PM EDT
[#12]
I had an old time trainer call my Flexi leash a faggot leash.  I never used the Flexi for training, but it is great for early morning walks when I'm sleepy and don't feel like dealing with much.
11/17/2011 5:31:11 PM EDT
[#13]
If it's a large dog a fixed is better.  A pinch collar is great too.  Once the dog is trained you can get an appropriate sized retractable for casual walks.
11/18/2011 7:47:08 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
I had an old time trainer call my Flexi leash a faggot leash.  I never used the Flexi for training, but it is great for early morning walks when I'm sleepy and don't feel like dealing with much.


Your trainer is sort of right. I rarely see anything other than yappy little designer dogs on the "dog" end of those, and I rarely see anything other than spoiled women and queers on the "human" end of them.

No offense to anyone in this thread who isn't a spoiled woman or a queer and uses one, but they really do suck for a multitude of reasons.
11/19/2011 7:23:58 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
All basic training should take place with a 6' lead, preferably one of light leather construction...


Question... Why the harp on leather training leashes? From my experiences a solid 6' single or double stick nylon lead works just as well and is usually cheaper and lasts longer.


That's a completely fair statement and question. I thought the same thing, too, but when I started serious dog training I found that the "feel" both for the handler and the dog was not what it needed to be with a nylon lead. A 3/8 or 1/2", broken-in, leather lead give the least amount of unintended leash cues to the dog, feels great in the hand and, if you compete, distracts the judges the least. When you jump into a class with a bunch of experienced handlers and they are all using leather leads it's not because the training place wanted to sell a bunch of them!



Rog, appreciate the input.