Posted: 10/12/2016 2:50:08 PM EDT
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I was looking at the thread for What to Know Before Buying a Guitar, and it got me looking at my own guitars and testing them. (Two relatively cheap acoustics, a Washburn D10CEQSB and Alvarez MSD1)
I had already sanded the bridges down a little to lower the action a few years back. I checked the neck and adjusted the nut for just a little bit of relief (using the strings as a gauge since I don't have an actual string gauge). I kind of want to lower the string action a little more towards the body, but don't have a lot of room left with the frets out on the neck. I was wondering what string heights you guys play with. I tested all the notes on each string and only have vibrations on one fret on the Alvarez (the high and low E both vibrate on the fret between 11 and 12). This makes me think that I have loose ends that need to be redone. Everything else plays and sounds great. ETA: I followed this website: http://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Online_Resources/Learn_About_String_Action_and_Setup/Dont_be_nervous_about_adjusting_that_truss_rod.html |
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You've done a lot more than I've ever done to my acoustics and I've been playing for like 25 years. With my acoustics, I just make sure there is not too much bow that it makes it dumb to play. You want just a tiny bit of a bow. But not much. At least that's how I like it. One test you can do to make sure you have enough is with one hand hold down the 1st and 7th fret and then check the frets inbetween to make sure there is a bit of room between the fret and the string. Even if it is minute. Over time they can shift one way or the other and it's good to check. If it gets too low, you'll notice fret buzzing. Like maybe your neck is too straight if you're getting some buzzing. But sanding down the bridge might have caused this too. Just sayin......
Only time I ever checked the height was when I set up my Tele and I just set it to what Fender recommended. Or close to it. (You might know that tests but it's about all I have to add, technically speaking) But really, it's up to a person how they like it. Some may like it a bit lower or higher. |
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String height is to a point an individual thing. I have got guitars that had a "Professional" setup that had an unacceptable high action for me. My Martin right now needs to have the neck reset because the saddle has no more life to give up. Some would still find it a great player but I don't play it anymore because the action is too high for me and the joy is gone. Anything at or over 5/32 at the twelfth fret is high to me..YMMV... Relief with a capo on the first fret and the low E string fretted at the 17th, measured at the 7th fret should be around .013..but this too is a personal thing. |
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If your strings are getting too close after shaving the bridge, you can either shim the nut or install a taller one. I shaved the bridge down a few years ago. Just never checked or set the relief...ever. I have had them since 04 or 05, I think. The only place that is close are those E strings between 11 and 12. Everything else rings true. They play much better now that I have adjusted the relief, just was curious what string height you guys use to see if I should try shaving the bridge a but more. |
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I shaved the bridge down a few years ago. Just never checked or set the relief...ever. I have had them since 04 or 05, I think. The only place that is close are those E strings between 11 and 12. Everything else rings true. They play much better now that I have adjusted the relief, just was curious what string height you guys use to see if I should try shaving the bridge a but more. Quoted:
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If your strings are getting too close after shaving the bridge, you can either shim the nut or install a taller one. I shaved the bridge down a few years ago. Just never checked or set the relief...ever. I have had them since 04 or 05, I think. The only place that is close are those E strings between 11 and 12. Everything else rings true. They play much better now that I have adjusted the relief, just was curious what string height you guys use to see if I should try shaving the bridge a but more. Hmm. If it's happening that far down the neck I would guess that maybe you have high frets, or your neck doesn't have enough relief, or could maybe be trying to bow backwards. When you look down your neck length way, is it flat, or is it bowing one way or the other? |
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Hmm. If it's happening that far down the neck I would guess that maybe you have high frets, or your neck doesn't have enough relief, or could maybe be trying to bow backwards. When you look down your neck length way, is it flat, or is it bowing one way or the other? Quoted:
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If your strings are getting too close after shaving the bridge, you can either shim the nut or install a taller one. I shaved the bridge down a few years ago. Just never checked or set the relief...ever. I have had them since 04 or 05, I think. The only place that is close are those E strings between 11 and 12. Everything else rings true. They play much better now that I have adjusted the relief, just was curious what string height you guys use to see if I should try shaving the bridge a but more. Hmm. If it's happening that far down the neck I would guess that maybe you have high frets, or your neck doesn't have enough relief, or could maybe be trying to bow backwards. When you look down your neck length way, is it flat, or is it bowing one way or the other? When I adjusted the neck, I ended up with a slight up bow for relief. I did this to both guitars and got rid of some of the buzzing that I had been having at random chords along the fret board. When I play each string on each fret, that one fret on the Alvarez is the only one that has contact, so I am guessing that the single fret has ends bowing up slightly and that it needs replaced. I can live with that for now (may just file the ends down to stop the buzz for now). |
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Quoted: When I adjusted the neck, I ended up with a slight up bow for relief. I did this to both guitars and got rid of some of the buzzing that I had been having at random chords along the fret board. When I play each string on each fret, that one fret on the Alvarez is the only one that has contact, so I am guessing that the single fret has ends bowing up slightly and that it needs replaced. I can live with that for now (may just file the ends down to stop the buzz for now). Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If your strings are getting too close after shaving the bridge, you can either shim the nut or install a taller one. I shaved the bridge down a few years ago. Just never checked or set the relief...ever. I have had them since 04 or 05, I think. The only place that is close are those E strings between 11 and 12. Everything else rings true. They play much better now that I have adjusted the relief, just was curious what string height you guys use to see if I should try shaving the bridge a but more. Hmm. If it's happening that far down the neck I would guess that maybe you have high frets, or your neck doesn't have enough relief, or could maybe be trying to bow backwards. When you look down your neck length way, is it flat, or is it bowing one way or the other? When I adjusted the neck, I ended up with a slight up bow for relief. I did this to both guitars and got rid of some of the buzzing that I had been having at random chords along the fret board. When I play each string on each fret, that one fret on the Alvarez is the only one that has contact, so I am guessing that the single fret has ends bowing up slightly and that it needs replaced. I can live with that for now (may just file the ends down to stop the buzz for now). |
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If your strings are getting too close after shaving the bridge, you can either shim the nut or install a taller one. I shaved the bridge down a few years ago. Just never checked or set the relief...ever. I have had them since 04 or 05, I think. The only place that is close are those E strings between 11 and 12. Everything else rings true. They play much better now that I have adjusted the relief, just was curious what string height you guys use to see if I should try shaving the bridge a but more. Hmm. If it's happening that far down the neck I would guess that maybe you have high frets, or your neck doesn't have enough relief, or could maybe be trying to bow backwards. When you look down your neck length way, is it flat, or is it bowing one way or the other? When I adjusted the neck, I ended up with a slight up bow for relief. I did this to both guitars and got rid of some of the buzzing that I had been having at random chords along the fret board. When I play each string on each fret, that one fret on the Alvarez is the only one that has contact, so I am guessing that the single fret has ends bowing up slightly and that it needs replaced. I can live with that for now (may just file the ends down to stop the buzz for now). Good thought. I'll try it. |
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I usually always take my acoustics to get set up for me when I get one. I've never had much luck tweaking them for some reason. I had a Gibson SJ150 years ago that had two frets that were way off. My luthier couldn't believe it left the factory like it did. My most recent acoustic is a J45, but it also needed some work. The saddle was way too high for me and made it really spongy to play. I just got it back actually and it plays great now.
Oddly enough.. The nicest playing guitar right out of the box for me was a factory 2nd solid top Ovation that I got for around 200 bucks. It had a really nice low action right from the start. Anyway, the possibility of a fret being off is definitely something to look at. Also, a string can rattle if it isn't seated well in the bridge under the pin. Good luck. |
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I usually always take my acoustics to get set up for me when I get one. I've never had much luck tweaking them for some reason. I had a Gibson SJ150 years ago that had two frets that were way off. My luthier couldn't believe it left the factory like it did. My most recent acoustic is a J45, but it also needed some work. The saddle was way too high for me and made it really spongy to play. I just got it back actually and it plays great now. Oddly enough.. The nicest playing guitar right out of the box for me was a factory 2nd solid top Ovation that I got for around 200 bucks. It had a really nice low action right from the start. Anyway, the possibility of a fret being off is definitely something to look at. Also, a string can rattle if it isn't seated well in the bridge under the pin. Good luck. Last year I took my Alvarez into the luthier because it had some vibration. He looked at it and showed me a few places it was cracked. He said that he could glue it back together and it would be fine. I said, "Can you set it up for me too? I have heard that they play better when they are setup and it's never been looked at for that." He said, "What do you mean?" That was my first lesson in all the variations in how to set up a guitar. More than just fixing frets; what strings you play, the string height, and the bow of the neck all combine with the bridge and nut setup for an overall "setup." This was why I have been looking at how you guys setup your guitars, what string heights you play, and general advice. Thanks to all for the replies so far. |