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1/10/2008 10:36:42 PM EDT
An all female crew.

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1/10/2008 11:33:26 PM EDT
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Not a C-5,  Its a KC-135

I've had all female crews before and they perform just fine, sometimes better than some of the guys i've flown with.  The only thing that worries me is they do not have the strength to fight a runaway stab if we were to have one.
1/10/2008 11:36:41 PM EDT
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the (only enlisted girl in the photo) FE is pretty cute!
1/11/2008 1:49:09 AM EDT
[#3]
Box office

1/11/2008 2:50:06 AM EDT
[#4]

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the (only enlisted girl in the photo) FE is pretty cute!


That would be the Boomer.  135s don't carry FEs.
1/11/2008 3:52:49 AM EDT
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Not a C-5,  Its a KC-135

I've had all female crews before and they perform just fine, sometimes better than some of the guys i've flown with.  The only thing that worries me is they do not have the strength to fight a runaway stab if we were to have one.



manual reversion would also be an issue with females.
1/11/2008 10:48:17 AM EDT
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Not a C-5,  Its a KC-135

I've had all female crews before and they perform just fine, sometimes better than some of the guys i've flown with.  The only thing that worries me is they do not have the strength to fight a runaway stab if we were to have one.



manual reversion would also be an issue with females.


The only hydraulically boosted flight control on a KC-135 is the rudder, with the powered rudder turned off it behaves just the same as the elevators and ailerons.
1/11/2008 12:36:24 PM EDT
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Not a C-5,  Its a KC-135

I've had all female crews before and they perform just fine, sometimes better than some of the guys i've flown with.  The only thing that worries me is they do not have the strength to fight a runaway stab if we were to have one.



manual reversion would also be an issue with females.


The only hydraulically boosted flight control on a KC-135 is the rudder, with the powered rudder turned off it behaves just the same as the elevators and ailerons.


you are correct
1/11/2008 1:48:34 PM EDT
[#8]

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Not a C-5,  Its a KC-135

I've had all female crews before and they perform just fine, sometimes better than some of the guys i've flown with.  The only thing that worries me is they do not have the strength to fight a runaway stab if we were to have one.



manual reversion would also be an issue with females.


The only hydraulically boosted flight control on a KC-135 is the rudder, with the powered rudder turned off it behaves just the same as the elevators and ailerons.


you are correct


It acutally makes me quite comfortable flying on a 135.  Flight controls are all cable and pulley.  You can lose all three generators and the copilot still has instruments.  You can lose both hydro systems and still manually lower the gear and flaps.

Boeing made a hell of a plane.
1/11/2008 7:05:06 PM EDT
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I know those 2 in the front. The both graduated with me at the USAFA. One one the left was a class behind me at Columbus, The one on the right flew with my wife in the UK.

There 135 chicks
1/12/2008 12:24:34 AM EDT
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1/12/2008 3:42:41 AM EDT
[#11]

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There 135 chicks


Yep, a Zoo grad!

Those pesky homonyms!  
1/12/2008 8:23:49 AM EDT
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"I've got airport in sight. Gear down, give me flaps 35..oh.. OOOH Girls- its a camera, hey quick- hand me my purse so I can put on some lipstick...."


I've been modifing this pic for years, I wish someone would do right- my PS skills = not so much
1/12/2008 9:11:26 AM EDT
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"I've got airport in sight. Gear down, give me flaps 35..oh.. OOOH Girls- its a camera, hey quick- hand me my purse so I can put on some lipstick...."


I've been modifing this pic for years, I wish someone would do right- my PS skills = not so much


1/13/2008 7:29:02 PM EDT
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"I've got airport in sight. Gear down, give me flaps 35..oh.. OOOH Girls- its a camera, hey quick- hand me my purse so I can put on some lipstick...."




Oh, BTW, I saw your avatar picture in a thread over on BodyBuilding.com last week.  It was a thread about what pictures people have on their computers that make them laugh their asses off every time they see it.  You're FAMOUS!  
1/13/2008 7:45:45 PM EDT
[#15]

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It acutally makes me quite comfortable flying on a 135.  Flight controls are all cable and pulley.  You can lose all three generators and the copilot still has instruments.  You can lose both hydro systems and still manually lower the gear and flaps.

Boeing made a hell of a plane.



My father spent 6000 of his 8000 flying hours in KC and RC-135s. (Command pilot)

I never knew the controls weren't hydraulically boosted.

So tell me, how much muscle does it take to maneuver a 135, then?

I have some idea how big the control surfaces are on a 135.  I'm surprised that it's
practical for an ordinary man (or woman) to operate them without hydraulics.


CJ
1/13/2008 8:20:20 PM EDT
[#16]

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It acutally makes me quite comfortable flying on a 135.  Flight controls are all cable and pulley.  You can lose all three generators and the copilot still has instruments.  You can lose both hydro systems and still manually lower the gear and flaps.

Boeing made a hell of a plane.


Thats why i love these jets, also very crew chief friendly
1/14/2008 9:25:34 AM EDT
[#17]

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It acutally makes me quite comfortable flying on a 135.  Flight controls are all cable and pulley.  You can lose all three generators and the copilot still has instruments.  You can lose both hydro systems and still manually lower the gear and flaps.

Boeing made a hell of a plane.



My father spent 6000 of his 8000 flying hours in KC and RC-135s. (Command pilot)

I never knew the controls weren't hydraulically boosted.

So tell me, how much muscle does it take to maneuver a 135, then?

I have some idea how big the control surfaces are on a 135.  I'm surprised that it's
practical for an ordinary man (or woman) to operate them without hydraulics.


CJ


I don't have the 2-8GA-1 in front of my to give you the book answer, but here's off the top of my head:
When the controls are operated you are directly moving the tab on the control surface the opposite direction of the intended flight control movement.  That tab moving changes the air pressure to a balance bay that is connected to the flight control.  That air pressure is actually what moves the flight control.

The rudder is boosted so that the pilot would have enough rudder command to correct any adverse yaw from the loss of an engine.

The system works well except for in the winter we have to get any ice and snow out of the bays which can be a real pain.
1/14/2008 12:08:54 PM EDT
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Theres alot going on with the 135 aileron system, would be hard to fully explain even with the System description and schematic in the 2-8GA-1 in front of you !

Spoilers and flaps are also tied into the control system.

Inboard ailerons have control tab with trim actuator.

Outboard ailerons have balance tab and " Lockout " with flaps up.

spoilers will move with aileron input if cut in.