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2/16/2010 6:51:54 AM EDT
My airport manager told me yesterday that a Cessna 150 qualifies under the rule. Does anyone here know?

I sold the Bonanza and "let" my medical lapse as I suspected that I wouldn`t be able to pass this time. I , due to lasic, can`t pass the color blindness test. I failed it last time and the doc told me that he couldn`t slide me again. I have been looking at the LSA offerings and have some criteria that they just don`t meet. My "mission profile" has changed hence the bonanza sale. I need room for wife and I as well as an overnight bag plus the 65 lb Boxer.

I owned a Cessna 150 way back when and I think it just might fit the bill. Now I only need daylight and non-ifr flights. Any help would be appreciated.
2/16/2010 7:27:08 AM EDT
[#1]
Too heavy.  1320# is the cutoff for LSA.
2/16/2010 7:32:27 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks. I knew there was a weight limit.
2/16/2010 7:54:22 AM EDT
[#3]
But there are other A/C that are just as good. Some with nearly the same performance as a 150. Aircoupes are a nice little plane to fly around on a pretty day. Cubs, early Champs, Luscombe (a favorite) come to mind, I am sure there are others. There was a old Mooney Mite at the old grass strip that might make the cut. Or a Cessna 120/140. WJ
2/16/2010 8:00:01 AM EDT
[#4]
I need something to travel appx 150 miles in on a repeated basis vfr only. Dog and overnight bag mandatory,,,wife
2/16/2010 8:05:05 AM EDT
[#5]
Aircoupe is the ticket theperformance and specifications

Wingspan: 30 feet
Length: 20 feet 9 inches
Height: 5 feet 11 inches
Wing Area: 142.6 square feet
Weights

Empty Weight: 838-lbs.
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 1,400 -lbs.
Powerplants

No. Engines: One
Engine Manufacturer: Continental
Engine Designation: C-85
Engine Power: 85-hp
Performance

Normal Maximum Speed: 125-mph at sea level
Conservative Cruising Speed: 110-mph at sea level
Climb Rate: 560-fpm
Service Ceiling: 11,000-feet
Range: 430 miles at 110-mph
530 miles at 80-mph
n. The others are just for fun times. I wonder if the TR-2 would fit the bill. might be too fast. It was a fun little airplane. Good for going places. WJ
2/16/2010 8:19:09 AM EDT
[#6]
http://www.popularaviation.com/Ercoupe/
2/16/2010 11:13:13 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Aircoupe is the ticket theperformance and specifications

Wingspan: 30 feet
Length: 20 feet 9 inches
Height: 5 feet 11 inches
Wing Area: 142.6 square feet
Weights

Empty Weight: 838-lbs.
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 1,400 -lbs.
Powerplants

No. Engines: One
Engine Manufacturer: Continental
Engine Designation: C-85
Engine Power: 85-hp
Performance

Normal Maximum Speed: 125-mph at sea level
Conservative Cruising Speed: 110-mph at sea level
Climb Rate: 560-fpm
Service Ceiling: 11,000-feet
Range: 430 miles at 110-mph
530 miles at 80-mph
n. The others are just for fun times. I wonder if the TR-2 would fit the bill. might be too fast. It was a fun little airplane. Good for going places. WJ


That weight busts the LSA category.
2/16/2010 11:28:05 AM EDT
[#8]
LSA wiki
2/16/2010 11:40:26 AM EDT
[#9]
It's on the FAA LSA list. ??
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/light_sport/media/ExistingModels.pdf
The Wiki page above has a list of new A/C but the above link shows a PDF list of older existing A/C. So what is correct? WJ
2/16/2010 11:40:54 AM EDT
[#10]
LSA and Travel don't really go together. Are you sure you aren't able to obtain a certificate?
2/16/2010 12:05:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
LSA and Travel don't really go together. Are you sure you aren't able to obtain a certificate?

I have an instrument ticket and about 3000 hrs. The problem is my medical and my mission profile change. I sold my ranch and now have ONLY one repeated flight that I`d like to make. It will be about an hour in duration on cavu days only. Me ,wife and dog only.

2/16/2010 12:29:58 PM EDT
[#12]
The reality is that you want to carry too much weight to operate a LSA.

Unless both you and the wife are both under about 120 lbs, the dog is putting you well over the top.  

That and there'd be no cabin space for him given the 1-2 seat LSA restriction.
2/16/2010 12:54:18 PM EDT
[#13]
Kids these days....havnt you ever been in a Champ?

Get one with an 85hp put the dog in the baggage compartment and be on your way. My parents did that and flew all over the midwest and clear to Canada (from central IL)  every summer up until one of them had the bright idea to stop having fun and start a family.
2/16/2010 12:57:27 PM EDT
[#14]
Just color blindness...?

Can you not take the light gun test for a waiver?
2/16/2010 1:40:34 PM EDT
[#15]
Some models of Ercoupe make the cutoff, others are too heavy.

Same with Champs.

Depending on the model, they can fall on either side of the line.

If the LSA limitations were bumped up enough to include the C-150/152, interest general aviation would really grow.
2/16/2010 1:42:46 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Just color blindness...?

Can you not take the light gun test for a waiver?


Never heard of a light gun test,,,yes only color blindness.

2/16/2010 1:49:27 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Just color blindness...?

Can you not take the light gun test for a waiver?


Never heard of a light gun test,,,yes only color blindness.



There are some ways to get around color blindness failing your medical. I know someone that took like a colorblindness checkride with an examiner or something.
2/16/2010 2:14:38 PM EDT
[#18]
Light gun test is really simple. If, out at the airport, you can tell the difference between the lights you get a waiver. It depends on being able to tell the different shades of light. My brother got one. A buddy at Martinaire also got one.  The green is a bit darker shade of light than the red. So you don't "see" green or red but you can tell the difference between the two. If not its a nogo.  I would not know how your eye procedure would effect seeing shades. WJ
2/16/2010 2:34:52 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Light gun test is really simple. If, out at the airport, you can tell the difference between the lights you get a waiver. It depends on being able to tell the different shades of light. My brother got one. A buddy at Martinaire also got one.  The green is a bit darker shade of light than the red. So you don't "see" green or red but you can tell the difference between the two. If not its a nogo.  I would not know how your eye procedure would effect seeing shades. WJ



Me either . I see colors fine and have 20/20 uncorrected. It doesn`t matter too much as we`ve sold the plane and really can`t afford such a nice plane without a partner. It was good while it lasted,,,almost 20 yrs with the same fellow. His wife has stage 4 cancer and is not in a position to aquire another plane. Wife and I want the lsa because I can fly it for many yrs and I take really good care of my rides. If we can find the right one I`ll pay cash and go on down the road. We are moving and as such have been driving back and forth to the new place (about 3.5 hrs one way) hauling stuff for a few months while the house is being built anyway. Once we get actually moved we`ll need to come back occasionally for elderly parent issues and the ability to shave 2.5 hrs off the trip if needed is attractive.

Dealing with the FAA med guys is never fun and I kinda like not having to sweat it anymore.

2/16/2010 2:41:24 PM EDT
[#20]
Go to the link I posted above and look at the last plane pictured. Metal finished bright and painted in American Airlines paintjob. For two and a dog I think it would do just fine for a hour and a half day VFR trip. For a plane old take me 150 miles I would jump on it. But for fun give me a stick and rudder. I saw one sold a while back for 12K with a low time engine. No vaccum system just the old horn venturi. Simple. WJ
2/16/2010 2:51:02 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:

Dealing with the FAA med guys is never fun and I kinda like not having to sweat it anymore.



Do you know any Medical Examiners that are willing to give a "pre-medical exam physical"?
2/16/2010 3:00:43 PM EDT
[#22]
Here is a coupe for sale. Sure has gone up in price but with 38hours on the engine and looks cherry. The space behind the seats is plenty big enough of you don't have a monster dog. As big as a 150.  WJ
http://www.jaaero.com/aircraft/view_aircraft.php?id=131
2/16/2010 3:02:14 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Dealing with the FAA med guys is never fun and I kinda like not having to sweat it anymore.



Do you know any Medical Examiners that are willing to give a "pre-medical exam physical"?


Easier is to go to the closest small tower and ask them for light gun signals. Be talking to them on the phone and ask for each color. Do it several times and you might see the difference. WJ
2/16/2010 3:20:35 PM EDT
[#24]
http://fsims.faa.gov/PICDetail.aspx?docId=DF9FB8A2B189B3FF86257434006B41B8

Read this.  If night is not a concern, talk to your DME and set up the test with the FSDO and fly what ever you want.
2/16/2010 3:45:11 PM EDT
[#25]
There's a BC-12d for sale next to me. It's my instructor's plane. His dad test flew it out of the factory. He and his father were taylorcraft test pilots, and it was built a mile away from the hangar. I know it qualifies as LSA.
2/16/2010 9:00:27 PM EDT
[#26]


I can only offer up my experiences with LSA.  I did a checkout in a CTSW and its a fun little airplane, it had more room than a 150/152 it was faster
and had better avionics (all Glass) than 98% of the airplanes I have flown.  The engine was a geared Rotax 912 liquid cooled, the airplane has a
parachute as well.  Visibilities were awsome but here is the trick, since you sit above the engine center line so your attitude perceptions are very
different. Its more like riding in a helicopter. It had finger brakes too and that took a little getting used to also.

As I recall the plane had a 900 nm range, and you may get a few comments like Hey there's a RC plane on the runway !  Im a CFI and have flown
many a airplane but only 1 light sport so there is my 2 cents.    All in all it was fun and will certainly take you X country,,,,,,just not real fast.