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Posted: 10/16/2005 10:59:22 AM EDT
I don't want to hear how much you hate her, or wether or not YOU WANT her to win or not, but rather from a standpoint of a neutral observer. I personally don't think ANY woman would be able to get elected in the near future. I think that there are enough old timers out there who would just not vote, because they can't see puting a woman in office. WW2 vets and the like, even Vietnam vets. A lot of these guys are Dems, but I know a ton of 'em who I'm pretty sure wouldn't vote for a woman. I know they wouldn't vote against their party ether, so I figure they just won't vote if she (Hilery) runs.


What do you all think?
Link Posted: 10/16/2005 11:52:38 AM EDT
Knock on wood.

If the media has anything to say about it. From the producers of West spin wing. And the new show with Gena Davis. I'm sure they are planting the seeds. But all the Repubs would have to do is get someone better then the libratarians and they would win again. Don't worry about her liberal ass. Knock on wood.
Link Posted: 10/16/2005 6:39:24 PM EDT
Sadly, a majority of our WWII vets will be gone in 20 years.

Personally, if Hillary get elected, she will have to walk on eggs or risk some nasty backlashes. Just like Bill, she would spend much of her time under the light of scandal and I think she would be successfully Impeached.
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 12:19:55 PM EDT
Not only can she win, she is the person to beat in 2008. I think you are blowing the "women can't hang crowd" out of proportion. In Pakistan can elect woman the US can.
Link Posted: 10/22/2005 1:19:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2005 11:58:25 PM EDT by AROptics]
I only hope we don't lose the House of Representatives.

I am already changing my purchases to consider what will still be available after the renewal of the AWB (which will be worse with no sunset).

$3.00 gas, 350 billion dollar war with no end in sight, skyrocketing health care costs, uncontrolled border, uncontrolled illegal immigration, stagnant stock market, reemerging inflation,
UBL still free.

Will Hillary do anything to change these problems? Of course not, but people will want a change. Dems suck but holy crap this Admin is blowing it.

Maybe Rove and/or Libby being indicted will be a good thing and will refocus this Admin.

Link Posted: 10/23/2005 11:11:11 PM EDT
The Bush Administration has been comitting seppuku. There is a very real chance that the Dems will come to power in the coming elections.
Link Posted: 10/23/2005 11:43:59 PM EDT
As an outsider looking in..... IMO
There's no way y'all would go and elect a woman of any political stripe to the position of POTUS...
I'd say that for at least the next 500years your prez will be a middle-aged +, white male.

Link Posted: 10/25/2005 6:56:16 PM EDT
She "Hated" by to many "WHITE MALES
Won't win!
Link Posted: 10/25/2005 7:09:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Real_estate_salesman:
I don't want to hear how much you hate her, or wether or not YOU WANT her to win or not, but rather from a standpoint of a neutral observer. I personally don't think ANY woman would be able to get elected in the near future. I think that there are enough old timers out there who would just not vote, because they can't see puting a woman in office. WW2 vets and the like, even Vietnam vets. A lot of these guys are Dems, but I know a ton of 'em who I'm pretty sure wouldn't vote for a woman. I know they wouldn't vote against their party ether, so I figure they just won't vote if she (Hilery) runs.


What do you all think?




Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. By that I mean seniors, fringe leftys, and wemon.

Hitlarys platform National/socilized Healthcare and no cronyism, a joke to anyone here. Then thier is McCain as a gunowner you may as well vote for Hitlery.
Link Posted: 10/26/2005 12:42:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
The Bush Administration has been comitting seppuku. There is a very real chance that the Dems will come to power in the coming elections.



This is what concerns me. Especially with the media blitzing against GWB 24/7.
Link Posted: 10/26/2005 5:23:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sixgun_Symphony:
The Bush Administration has been comitting seppuku. There is a very real chance that the Dems will come to power in the coming elections.


I'm quite certain a dem will win next election, BUT I doubt a women would win.
Link Posted: 10/28/2005 6:52:23 PM EDT
She will run, she will not win. Who will GOP run? I'm not exactly sure on pres, but Vp just might be Condi. Lots of people are saying this
Link Posted: 11/2/2005 2:35:25 AM EDT
I'ts too early to tell but ii she is more successful than Kerry at convincing the voters that she's something other than what she is, she can win.

Although elections are won in the middle, it's the extremes of both parties that drive the parties. Since more Americans think of themselves as conservative, Republicans Presidential candidates can run as what they are. George H.W. was an exception as he won on Reagans coat-tails an never would have won from scratch.

If you look at the people that run the Democrat party you see mostly the delegation from California and Massachusetts and these folks are not acceptable to most Americans.
Since they control the party, the candidates they come up with cannot run except by fooling the people.

Regards,
Mild Bill
Link Posted: 11/2/2005 12:22:01 PM EDT
Hilary is already positioning herself as a "moderate" so she can fool the voters, just like Bill did. She has a very good chance of being elected. To start with, she will get all the "Bill" voters who seem to have been hypnotized by their idol, so she has a big base to start with. I don't see where being a woman will be a problem, because she will scream "sexist" at anyone who says anything about that. Add in the other fringers pulled in by money from Soros and propaganda from fatso/ratso Moore. Hilary has hired consultants to learn how to talk to the religious right, and several of the liberals such as Pelosi are pretending to be upset with Hilary's new "centrist" attitude. But they are just in on the joke and are hoping to to fool voters into thinking she has deserted the lefty-liberal side of the party. It's a very carefully set trap.

There is also a phony gunowners organization set up by the Democrap Leadership Council with the help of gun-ban groups to fool gunowners into voting for their candidate - just like many gunowners actually voted for Kerry. I think the group is called AHSA, for American Hunting and Shooting Association, which sounds like a pro-gun group. But they will be putting forth their lies and trying to get gullible gunowners to vote for Hilary. Combine all this with all the garbage being heaped on the right (the "culture of corruption" stuff) to make the Republicans look like bumbling idiots, and a weak Republican candidate (or a RINO like McCain - or worse yet, McCain running as VP!) and you have the recipe for a Hilary victory and a probable loss of control of the House or Senate (or both).

Remember that the Klinton administration brought us the debacle at Waco, the namby-pamby response to the Cole disaster, the loss of the opportunity to capture bin Laden, and the strange saga of the Oklahoma City bombing - and the list goes on and on. The only good that can come of Hilary being elected will be that she will push the country so far left (and we all know that Bill wants to be a Supreme Court justice or the head of the UN, which Hilary could easily arrange) that the day will come when the SHTF.
Link Posted: 11/2/2005 6:31:50 PM EDT

I think that she'll run and LOSE in the primary, only to be selected as the VP of the Democrapic Candidate.

Link Posted: 11/7/2005 12:57:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DWFAN:
I think that she'll run and LOSE in the primary, only to be selected as the VP of the Democrapic Candidate.



This is dead-on, and then she will have the president assasinated, envoke the 25th amendment, and then take all our guns, put us in slave labor camps... bassically like life today w/out guns.

You realize, of course, that there will be no more liberals however.
:)

Link Posted: 11/7/2005 7:44:36 PM EDT
No.

Think about it this way: Half the county, being Republican voters, hate her and wouldn't vote for her.

Now, from my experience and what all the women I know are telling me, half the women in the country hate her guts. (The foremost reason, by a long shot, is that she doesn't have the guts to toss Bill out after he's screwed everything with a skirt that can't run faster than he can. Women HATE her for that.)

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but half the country + half the Democrats = 3/4 of the country.

That adds up to a loss for Hillary.

That being said, I think she has a shot at winning the Democratic primary, and in a way I hope she does.

You think the fast-boat veterans were tough on Kerry? Just wait til some group starts playing back the sound bites of Hillary talking about things she'd prefer to forget she ever said...
Link Posted: 11/8/2005 4:28:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Model_One:
No.

Think about it this way: Half the county, being Republican voters, hate her and wouldn't vote for her.

Now, from my experience and what all the women I know are telling me, half the women in the country hate her guts. (The foremost reason, by a long shot, is that she doesn't have the guts to toss Bill out after he's screwed everything with a skirt that can't run faster than he can. Women HATE her for that.)

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but half the country + half the Democrats = 3/4 of the country.

That adds up to a loss for Hillary.

That being said, I think she has a shot at winning the Democratic primary, and in a way I hope she does.

You think the fast-boat veterans were tough on Kerry? Just wait til some group starts playing back the sound bites of Hillary talking about things she'd prefer to forget she ever said...



I guess it is fair to say we need to have less faith in the voting populace... Hilary is from a powerful camp that is starting to learn that gun control is a bit of a dead issue.
Factor that into Bush being the worst president in US history, and her re-engineering socialized healthcare, and running w/a strong presidential offering, like a party swung moderately liberal republican... maybe even an ex commando w/a good Iraq exit strategy.

I don’t know mang, you have WAAAAYYYY too much faith in the American public.
I won’t easily forget how stupid we are as a collective anytime between now and 08.

Of course, I will post pictures here of me standing in a chicken suit w/a large sign saying 'God bless the USA' on the busiest road in Austin if she isn't elected.

HRC is one of the most evil people in America… I don’t put anything past her.
I think she would ‘off’ the front-man as a way to control this country.

Wait long enough and the GOP could loose control over the house and senate, put her in and WHAMO… no more guns, no more freedom!
Link Posted: 11/8/2005 5:00:50 PM EDT
God help all of us if she even gets into the primary. There are bad politicians, but damn, Im not sure I wouldn't rather have a sleezy fucktard that was into all sorts of nafarious stuff instead of her. At least I know where that fucktard stands.
Link Posted: 11/8/2005 5:06:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fla556guy:
God help all of us if she even gets into the primary. There are bad politicians, but damn, Im not sure I wouldn't rather have a sleezy fucktard that was into all sorts of nafarious stuff instead of her. At least I know where that fucktard stands.



you mean like another nepotist Bush hiding behind the GOP w/a socialist agenda of a one world government?
Link Posted: 11/8/2005 5:11:47 PM EDT
I will look forwaed to viewing some nice chicken picks in 08. Klinton2 will be the nom because she has the best name recognition, behind the scenes backers etc. There is no way she will win unless the war spirals down badly. I agree she is an evil power hungry bitch and a clever one at that. She will not win because she is very polarizing and a LOT of people loathe her. If you thought the swift boat ads and the like were tough on Kerry just wait till she runs. People will come out from the woodwork after her.
Link Posted: 11/8/2005 5:19:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheGoon:
I will look forwaed to viewing some nice chicken picks in 08. Klinton2 will be the nom because she has the best name recognition, behind the scenes backers etc. There is no way she will win unless the war spirals down badly. I agree she is an evil power hungry bitch and a clever one at that. She will not win because she is very polarizing and a LOT of people loathe her. If you thought the swift boat ads and the like were tough on Kerry just wait till she runs. People will come out from the woodwork after her.



There are a lot of non-bush appologists out there who shudder to think what could be wrong in our world by 08. If you think things are going well in Iraq, or they will go well, I dont know what to say there... we differ in opinion.

I would love to be wrong, but this whole thing seems to be engineered to screw us into a false choice.
And 'Ah-nuld'... shivvering thinking of that.
Link Posted: 11/8/2005 5:29:16 PM EDT
No
Link Posted: 11/11/2005 11:15:23 AM EDT
Why not; care to offer some insight?
Link Posted: 11/11/2005 9:03:06 PM EDT
If things continue like they are the Republicans will NEED her to run in 2008 because so many people automatically hate her and it would be a great voter turnout aid. I know many people that voted for GWB for the simple reason that he wasn't Kerry and the same reasoning will be there tenfold against Hillary in 2008.
Link Posted: 11/11/2005 9:39:12 PM EDT
The unpredictable liberal dumbass can never be underestimated
Link Posted: 11/11/2005 9:47:19 PM EDT
Kerry was a decoy... it was all about getting HRC in office.
Never under-estimate the power of Oprah, Rosie, etc.

Did you see that bullshit debate on 'The West Wing' we are a bunch of Fox news viewing idiots, we think that we have a choice.
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 12:42:36 PM EDT
i'm a blue centrist. i really hope they dont run her. i dont approve of bush and what hes done and i would love to see some of the people in power right now, on both sides, get out because i just can't stand the dirt slinging politics is now. i can't stand the nationalism that we are in, and how we aren't actually accomplishing anything. running her isn't anything but a statement of "its a woman". she isn't presidental material at this, and i dont know her stances enough to know much else about her. i hate the idea of family politics, but thats sort of a "too bad, so sad" case.
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 3:42:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cigolon:
i'm a blue centrist. i really hope they dont run her. i dont approve of bush and what hes done and i would love to see some of the people in power right now, on both sides, get out because i just can't stand the dirt slinging politics is now. i can't stand the nationalism that we are in, and how we aren't actually accomplishing anything. running her isn't anything but a statement of "its a woman". she isn't presidental material at this, and i dont know her stances enough to know much else about her. i hate the idea of family politics, but thats sort of a "too bad, so sad" case.



Running her would be so much smarter as a VP, then get some Iraq vet that was moderately conservative, that wanted out of the middle east, was green-conscious, etc... then we are hosed.

That is the soccer-mom vote which is the toughest demographic to crack.

I am not so sure of myself, or my party, HRC is an effective weapon, if they choose to use it effectively.
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 6:53:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Thumper_Three0Eight:
Running her would be so much smarter as a VP, then get some Iraq vet that was moderately conservative, that wanted out of the middle east, was green-conscious, etc... then we are hosed.

That is the soccer-mom vote which is the toughest demographic to crack.

I am not so sure of myself, or my party, HRC is an effective weapon, if they choose to use it effectively.


i dont really want to see her as a VP either. i would love to see the trend of family politics stop, and if that means starting with the dems. thats fine by me, i have no desire to see it continue another go around. i do appreicate that running her as a vp would be wiser.
i do see what you are saying about the stronger pres figure, but to be honest, i dont think the left can stomach another 4 years of any sort of conservative. thats just what happens in the polarized situation we have now. more conservative? honestly, i dont know half of what hillaries stances are so i can't really evaluate in an objective means- but anything thats too conservative and they wont make it past primaries. although i agree, find an iraq vet and let them go at it.
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 8:16:31 PM EDT
Question... what is a blue centrist, I've heard that term before, I think it was called a conservative Democrat; if so, isn't that a contradiction in terms?
Link Posted: 11/12/2005 8:55:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2005 9:17:14 PM EDT by Model_One]
Well, I think that Hillarity has a good shot at winning the Democratic Primary - just as Dean did, at least until the Day of the Scream. If it hadn't been for the primal scream, it probably would have been Bush v. Dean, and how do you think that would have played out?

But think about this. The looney left comes out in droves for the primaries and chooses an unelectable candidate people won't line up to vote for. Think what would have hapened if the dems had chosen a Zell Miller instead of Kerry.

And as someone else said, this country is probably not yet ready to elect a woman president. Almost, and when the right woman comes along it'll happen - but Hillary is not that woman. Condie? Maybe, but she is just not ready for prime-time... I think she'd make a killer candidate for VP, though. "We'll call your female candidate, and raise you a black woman!" The Dems would just crap themselves trying figure out how to trash her without shooting themselves in the foot. Frist/Rice 2008? I'd vote for that slate.

Someone said I have too much faith in the American public. Well, first I will tell you that FAITH has NOTHING to do with it. And I'm not talking about the American public, I'm talking about the VOTING public. If you think they're so completely stupid, I would simply ask you to look at the results of the elections in 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002 and 2004 and YOU tell ME how they voted and why, despite the best efforts of the liberal socialist media machine to sway them to the left. What is the trend?

Tell me, is the Republican majority more, or less, than it was in 2000 or 2002?

Remember that Congress passes the laws, and Congress writes the checks. If it comes down to it, it is more important to have a conservative Congress than a conservative President.

Digression alert -
Think about this - the 2nd Amendment does not grant the right, it merely guarantees the right. Even if it were overturned tommorow, there is a huge volume of law, both civil and statutory, federal, state, county, city, spelling out the rights of Americans to Keep and Bear. And absent a Federal imperative, the States would be able to choose for themselves, and Congress would have to find some Constitutional basis granting the power to override state sovereignty in that resect - and there isn't one. They might try interstate commerce, but in these days of CNC machinery, a local cottage industry could easily spring up within each state over which the Commerce Clause would give Congress no cause of action.

If the 2nd Amendment were repealed tomorrow, the Constitution would be completely silent on RKBA and the States could choose for themselves. To go further than neutrality would require not merely a repeal, but a new amendment stating that the people do NOT have RKBA - does anybody think that 2/3 of the states would ratify that? I don't F*&%ing think so.

It is true that most of the federal gun laws pertaining to FFL holders derive from the Congress' power to regulate interstate commerce. But some of the worst, such as the NFA, are upheld via interpretations of the 2nd Amendment (specifically, U.S. v. Miller).
So, despite the 2nd Amendment guarantee, there are a whole lot of other ways for us to keep that right.
Absent 2nd Amendment derived laws like the NFA, what would keep a state from declaring machineguns legal?

I'm not saying this is the way to go or anything like that, but it's certainly something to be aware of and to think about...
Link Posted: 11/13/2005 4:39:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Thumper_Three0Eight:
Question... what is a blue centrist, I've heard that term before, I think it was called a conservative Democrat; if so, isn't that a contradiction in terms?


no more than liberal republican. liberal and conservative are not muturally exclusive to either party and each party has both. i tend to fall right in the middle on a lot of issues, switching between republican and democrat values. that being said, i vote blue more often because i believe in more of what they have as of late- particularly social issues.
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 1:02:43 PM EDT
A Frist/Condi ticket ??? That makes TWO women since Frist has proven that he has no balls.

We could very well face a Hillary/McCain ticket. He's not a Republican and likes all those stupid campaign-reform things and could very well be seduced by the "Dem Side". Lots of the masses would vote for the ticket because of McCain, never mind that he would have no role after the election.

Then you have a coalition of Clinton lovers who voted for Bill and will vote for Hillary just to get Bill back in the White House in any capacity. They (men AND women) did not run away just because Bill couldn't keep his fly zipped. It turned into admiration for HRC because she "stood by her man". Yes there are many women who don't like Hillary, but there are many who do.

Factor in George Soros throwing billions of $$$ into the HRC campaign and fatso Moore putting out another fuckumentary movie. And what do you guys think that the TV show "Commander In Chief" is all about? It's the media getting in their early licks portraying a woman president who just happens to look like HRC (note the hair, makeup, etc.). She gets into trouble every week because the other side is evil but she always triumphs and becomes even more popular than ever. The media will be out in force - they learned from the last election. Instead of just one lie at a time, they will absolutely flood the conservative candidate with lies, so that he/she would have no chance of refuting them all - and would be on the defensive all the time. This makes the candidate less attractive to voters.

There's a lot of wishful thinking out there that Hillary will energize the right. She will also energize the left. People also say a woman can't be elected. They are the same ones that said a Catholic could never be elected but JFK proved them wrong. Those things are only speedbumps in the road to the massive Hillary machine being built right now. Hillary will do literally ANYTHING to become President, and she has the resources to back her.

Unless conservatives get a strong ticket out there, HRC will be in the White House again, and for two terms. Then, Feinstein and Boxer will be going door to door collecting your guns.
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 4:25:00 PM EDT
Sounds like someone is informed...
Link Posted: 11/18/2005 4:27:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Girlieman:
As an outsider looking in..... IMO
There's no way y'all would go and elect a woman of any political stripe to the position of POTUS...
I'd say that for at least the next 500years your prez will be a middle-aged +, white male.




Sure hope you are right
Link Posted: 11/19/2005 7:53:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/21/2005 5:16:01 AM EDT
Not only is it possible, it's highly likely IMHO. I think it all really depends on who the republicans nominate in '08. If it's McCain, then I'm certainly going to have issue with his anti-gun stance as well as his weak kneed approach to terrorism, and the border. Guiliani is really a closet democrat and anti gun as well. Condi is pro gun, and I think she stands the best chance however I don't think she will run. As of right now we are in serious risk of another two terms of Clinton. Republicans need to take on the issues that their base is upset with and get their support back.
Link Posted: 11/21/2005 6:53:46 AM EDT
Read my comments from earlier, GOP is weak...
And, just out of spite, I would not even vote for Rudolph W. Giuliani to stop HRC, he is pathetic.
Cheney's not going to get it; and Jeb Bush... Ni'ya pleeeze!
McCain won’t stand a chance against EVERY SINGLE soccer mom in the us.

You watch, all it takes is this 'Jack Bower' type as a running mate w/HRC, an Iraq Vet, someone that everybody likes... and it's all going to be over.

I am, however, starting to think that a Dem in office, w/the GOP house/senate may actually thwart the gears in the machine of tyranny. Our government is spending money out of control, and it's because Bush is either a fascist or a socialist (I can't tell) and the all republican government gives him carte' blanch to spend as he wishes.

Link Posted: 11/21/2005 7:03:44 AM EDT
Absolutely not!
Link Posted: 11/21/2005 7:11:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2005 7:12:20 AM EDT by Thumper_Three0Eight]
You wrote "Absolutely Not!", but w/out clarification I'll assume that you are commenting on having a Dem in office.

It's like this, remember when HRC tried to socialize healthcare, and Senator Dole filibustered it till it was dropped? THIS is what we need in our government right now, gridlock, absolute, complete, and total opposing magnet forces.

Two parties in opposition, keep government stalemated... which I am in favor of as something should be done to forestall our governments rampant spending, and 1984 mindset.
Link Posted: 12/9/2005 4:43:12 PM EDT
YES, Thats why I pray Newt Gingrich runs and gets the GOP nomination. And return's the party
to it's stated and founding principals.
Link Posted: 12/9/2005 4:50:26 PM EDT
No, but you need a poll.

Most Dem women I know would vote for Hillary, but a lot of the men would swing or stay home if the Dems run Hillary.
Link Posted: 12/9/2005 5:54:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AROptics:
I only hope we don't lose the House of Representatives.

I am already changing my purchases to consider what will still be available after the renewal of the AWB (which will be worse with no sunset).

$3.00 gas, 350 billion dollar war with no end in sight, skyrocketing health care costs, uncontrolled border, uncontrolled illegal immigration, stagnant stock market, reemerging inflation,
UBL still free.

Will Hillary do anything to change these problems? Of course not, but people will want a change. Dems suck but holy crap this Admin is blowing it.
Maybe Rove and/or Libby being indicted will be a good thing and will refocus this Admin.




Amen Brother. The public backlash against the Republicans could be huge. It all depends on the Inflation and unemployment rates in 2008.
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 5:17:57 AM EDT
I would say no but I was wrong twice about slick willy. Never underestimate the stupidity of the masses. A million people might vote for her because they heard once her husband was president twice so she must be good at 'presidenting'. If she ever gets into that kind of power and Bill rises to the top of the UN I do think our nation will be in big trouble. We will be a world socialist hub of resources for people who hate us and want us all enslaved in economic control and regulation along with this notion of a world court and treaties on eliminating water flush toilets. Sound crazy? Well it’s all stuff Clinton wanted but could not get sign off. If his old lady makes it into the White House just wait.
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 5:25:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2005 5:28:23 AM EDT by PBIR]

Originally Posted By Mattl:


Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. By that I mean seniors Mattl, fringe leftys, and wemon...



How are seniors stupid?

Back on topic, She is definitely a threat just like almost anyone else the dems would run because of the mistakes the republicans have made. It's hard to blame the other guy when you have control of congress and the white house.
Link Posted: 12/10/2005 7:11:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/10/2005 7:13:03 AM EDT by Essayons]
The Republicans I talk to are much more confident in Hillary's chances than the Democrats I talk to. The soccer mom point is valid, but there are other Democrat candidates Soros would throw money behind. Both parties need to think hard about who they run.
Link Posted: 12/11/2005 1:18:19 AM EDT
I think Hillary has a great shot at the primary, but not the presidency. If the Dems were smart, they'd be backing Lieberman, but all the naive idealists vote in the primary and then take a powder in the federal election when their favored extremist candidates lose out. What tends to happen is that a fairly liberal person winds up running for the dems, and loses.

For that matter, Senators don't have a good track record of becoming presidents. I think the last one to do so was JFK and he only got the office through massive fraud (e.g., Daley/Chicago).

Hillary would rather eat shit-covered barbed wire than run as VP to some male candidate, so I just think she'll melt down one way or another.

Frist is a pretty fair senator, but has not shown the ability to be Presidential material.

We still have almost three years - and an off-year election - to go before the next big one, and a hell of a lot can happen politically in that time. Iraq, immigration, world terrorism, bird flue and a hundred other things could take wild swings in the meantime, and new leaders will emerge to folllow W and challenge Hitlery.

Keep the faith and bang the conservative drum, loudly.
Link Posted: 12/11/2005 5:12:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CombatAccountant:


Unless conservatives get a strong ticket out there, HRC will be in the White House again, and for two terms. Then, Feinstein and Boxer will be going door to door collecting your guns.



WORD - glad to see some other clear thinking out there by a fellow conservative.
Link Posted: 12/12/2005 1:42:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2005 1:50:23 PM EDT by PanzerMK7]
I think its a sad state that America is in right now, it seems like so many of our politicians are consumed with appealing to the special interest groups that I personally can't think of one prominent political figure that would make a truly good candidate for president(on either side). That being said I don't think Hillary would stand a snowballs chance in hell, she'd get a few votes because shes a woman, even fewer because shes bill's wife, and a few more based on her other policy proposals, but she'd come up way short of even winning the primarys I think. We really need to give women a little more credit(Blasphemy!!!) the vast majority of them are not stupid enough to vote for Hillary just because they share the same plumbing.
Link Posted: 12/14/2005 5:45:26 PM EDT
No she HATED by 3 out of 5 white males
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