[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Aliens (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/19/2009 7:07:40 PM EDT
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I hope the Aliens 5 movie is good. I thought the second was the best. The Marines really made the movie. I found some youtube videos with cpl Hicks and pvt Hudson that are pretty good. 
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Alien was one of the best quality horror/scifi I ever saw. I rarely have dreams or nightmares about movies I see. I was 27 at the time I saw it on the big screen and I really enjoyed it. Didn't think I have much reaction to it, never had before (or after). Then I noticed I was have trouble sleeping, thought I was seeing things in the "gray" of my room. Was really eerie. Once I made the connection (took 3-4 days) that Alien was the culprit the "discomfort" away. 
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I just saw Alien in the theater tonight. First time seeing it on the big screen for me. Good stuff. http://www.originalalamo.com/Show.aspx?id=6551 My dad worked for Dolby Labs in the late 70s and they got to watch it before it was released. I was six years old and it scared the hell out of me, only made it about halfway through. |
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They have announced Ridley Scott will direct the Alien Prequel movie. article link
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– 'Alien' prequel takes off Ridley Scott attached to return as director By MICHAEL FLEMINGTwentieth Century Fox is resuscitating its "Alien" franchise. The studio has hired Jon Spaihts to write a prequel that has Ridley Scott attached to return as director. Spaihts got the job after pitching the studio and Scott Free, which will produce the film. The film is set up to be a prequel to the groundbreaking 1979 film that Scott directed. It will precede that film, in which the crew of a commercial towing ship returning to Earth is awakened and sent to respond to a distress signal from a nearby planetoid. The crew discovers too late that the signal generated by an empty ship was meant to warn them. The deal gives Fox another chance to keep the "Alien" franchise alive. There were three sequels to Scott's original, but it is the first time the director has set his mind on directing one. Spaihts has become a go-to-guy for space thrillers. After Keanu Reeves became attached to his Warner Bros. sci-fi script "Shadow 19," Reeves hired Spaihts to write the space journey epic "Passengers," which is berthed at Morgan Creek. That script got Spaihts the meeting with Fox and Scott Free, and he won the job with an "Alien" reboot take that the studio and Scott loved. Fox has separately hired him to rewrite "The Darkest Hour," which Timur Bekmambetov to produce with Tom Jacobson. Spaihts is writing "Children of Mars" for Disney and Scott Rudin, and he will follow by rewriting "St. George and the Dragon" for Sony and Red Wagon. |
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I found some director cut scenes. I haven't seen the 1st 2. They should have left them in. Thanks for posting those. While interesting, I can see why the first two were cut, especially the second one. It was totally unnecessary to the storyline and felt like a old sci-fi cliche plucking at the heartstrings of the audience. The first one probably took a nice chunk of the production budget with it though. 
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It seems like I read somewhere that it is a prequel. Ridley Scott has signed on to produce, but Fox is balking at his choice for a director. Yup, it it will be a prequel. It has been in development for at least a year now. Fucking hollywood is going to prequel us to death. 
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| I don't know if I like this prequel idea for the Alien franchise. The first one was good, the second was PURE WIN, and the rest sucked bad. If it doesn't take place in space, if it doesn't have Colonial Marines, if it isn't rated R, THEN IT WILL SUCK. Guys, I am a big Aliens, and Predator fan. The Predator remake scares me, this Alien prequel scares me, and you know what if they just listened to the fucking fans then these franchises wouldn't be in the shit can. |
| I know right, plus I really don't think actors are as good as they used to be. Modern CGI took away that grit feeling that the classics had. What made Aliens/Predator so scary was you didn't know when they are going to pop out, and when they did it was for a split second to cut someone's head off. When I watch the new ones, I see the Alien so much I sorta laugh, like "That thing just looks fucking retarded." |
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Quoted: If you tell me you made it to Elvira last week, I'm going to really hate you...I just saw Alien in the theater tonight. First time seeing it on the big screen for me. Good stuff. http://www.originalalamo.com/Show.aspx?id=6551 My dad worked for Dolby Labs in the late 70s and they got to watch it before it was released. I was six years old and it scared the hell out of me, only made it about halfway through. |
| This new Alien film is a prequel with Ridley directing and his brother Tony producing, or a co-producer. Ridley directed the first one. Aliens is a must watch! It has a 100% score on rotten tomatoes and that's no small feat. But, one should watch the extended cut of Aliens. It can be found on the Quadrlogy and some stand alones that say "extended cut" or whatever it says. Alien though is a masterpiece as well, it's just not the gun-toting one that is Aliens. But seriously, folks, if you've never seen Aliens, buy it, set aside 2.5 hours of an evening and enjoy. |
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Yep. Aliens is one of the best movies of all time. Especially with the extra scenes that are in the extended version (mine says "collectors edition", but there may be others that have it, like "directors cut" or whatever). Here's one of the "deleted scenes" that's included in the long version, but wasn't in the original theater version: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/77536/aliens_bad_ass_deleted_scene/ |
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Quoted: OK, now I don't feel so bad. Quoted: I was planning on it, but they put the tickets up for sale way earlier than they normally do. By the time I found out, it was sold out.If you tell me you made it to Elvira last week, I'm going to really hate you...  I was initially somewhat-dismayed with my hosts, as they're supposed to have the inside track on all things Austin by now. I've been in love w/ Elvira since I first laid eyes on her in my youth. |
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It's not looking good for the aliens prequel. Looks like Ridley Scott is doing everything he can not to do it. He is finishing the Robin Hood movie and now he is
going to make a movie about the Gucci family with Angelina Jolie. Link –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Scott, Jolie join for 'Gucci' drama Fox 2000 plans 2010 start date By MICHAEL FLEMINGRidley Scott is in discussions with Angelina Jolie for a femme fatale role in "Gucci," a drama about murder and decadence in the Gucci fashion dynasty. Fox 2000 is fashioning a 2010 start date for the film, and Scott is talking with Jolie to play Patrizia Reggiano, who was sentenced to 29 years in jail for plotting the murder of her ex-husband, Maurizio Gucci. Pic is a priority for Fox 2000's Elizabeth Gabler and Carla Hacken, with Scott Free and Giannina Facio producing. The studio is about to hire a scribe to rewrite the drama that recaptures the glamorous days of the Gucci family dynasty in the 1970s and '80s, when the family was selling $500 million in product annually. Squabbles hobbled the clan until Maurizio, the grandson of founder Guccio Gucci, came out on top of a power struggle to run the family business. Just when he was about to reestablish the brand name by debuting a line designed by newcomer –– and now film director –– Tom Ford, Maurizio was gunned down in front of his Milan apartment in 1995. There are moving pieces in the film, as the script is still being developed and Scott needs to lock down an actor to play Maurizio. The director has approached his "Body of Lies" star Leonardo DiCaprio, but he is not attached at this point. "Gucci" becomes the second big project at Fox 2000 for Jolie. The studio is developing the Patricia Cornwell novel series about medical examiner Dr. Kay Scarpetta for Jolie to play the lead role in a film produced by Mark Gordon and Geyer Kosinski. As for Jolie, she is likely to next star with Sam Worthington in "The Tourist," the Spyglass thriller that has Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck in line to direct. Pending a deal with the director, the hope is to begin production early next year. Scott is in post-production with the Russell Crowe-Cate Blanchett starrer "Robin Hood" for Universal Pictures and Imagine. |
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I'm not sure that some of the original makers of "Alien" haven't lost their touch: Dan O'Bannon, who wrote the original, also co-wrote "Alien Resurrection". I also recall the fanfare over Joss Whedon being brought on board "Resurrection" to co-write, & how he was going to salvage the franchise. What an utter flop. Just having Scott onboard doesn't guarantee it there won't be yet another flop.
I actually wasted a free movie ticket on "Resurrection". Wasted 2-hours of my life. I'll let the beta testers spend & review it before I throw down. At this point, the best thing about the franchise anymore are the upcoming games, "Aliens: Colonial Marines" (Gearbox) & the "AvP" re-make (Rebellion). |
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Found a pretty good video with the Colonial Marines. I wish in the next movie they would resurrect cpl Hicks and send the Colonial Marines to the Alien homeworld, but I know that will never happen. You can click the little up arrow at the bottom right to get rid of the comments if you don't like them.  |
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are you kidding me, a prequal, they may actually make another one, and they wont be moving the story forward!!!
disgusting, ok, 1st one, space+horror=GREAT moving on, 2nd space+action=GREAT! 3rd.. space+horror..again..why, story didnt go anywhere, poorly mimicked the first film 4th.. space+just terrible everything, took the story way past relevency, 100 years in the future, ran it into ground.. i propose 3 and 4 are stricken from the record, ive read almost every single aliens novel, theyre great, the LOGICAL progression for the 3 rd film should have been, Ripley returning to earth, Aliens investing earth, action/horror ensues... that is a meaningful progression for the story, its obvious, and it had a lot of potential, perhaps they could do it with a 5th film, but theyve killed off the main characters a couple of times now so no, no hollywod please just stop |
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Just ignore Aliens 3 and 4 as though hey never existed. I mean why should we allow the Aliens franchise to be destroyed like that? Audiences wouldn't care...piss on the last two movies.
Pick-up where Aliens left off and have Hicks and Ripley find out that one Alien egg stowed away and the company got ahold of it for their bio-weapons division when they recovered the ship without their knowledge. Then Ripley's fear of it being brought back to earth is fulfilled and you could do a hell of a movie. |
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IIRC, the prequel will tell the story of the "Mariner" or "Navigator" (Cant remember what RS called him) and how his ship got to LV426. If you dont know, the "Mariner" is the dead guy they find in the chair in Alien.  From Wiki: Around the release of Alien Resurrection, Joss Whedon wrote an Earth-set script for Alien 5, which Weaver disliked. Before 20th Century Fox greenlit Alien vs. Predator, James Cameron had been working on a story for a fifth Alien film. Alien director Ridley Scott had talked with Cameron, stating "I think it would be a lot of fun, but the most important thing is to get the story right." In a 2002 interview, Scott's concept for a story was "to go back to where the alien creatures were first found and explain how they were created", however he has not shown interest in pursuing the project. On learning that Fox intended to pursue Alien vs. Predator, Cameron believed the film would "kill the validity of the franchise" and ceased work on his story, "To me, that was Frankenstein Meets Werewolf. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other...Milking it." On December 5, 2008 Sigourney Weaver hinted in an interview with MTV that she and Ridley Scott are working on an Alien spinoff film which will focus on the chronicles of Ellen Ripley rather than the Aliens. In May 2009, Carl Rinsch signed on to direct a prequel, which Ridley Scott and Tony Scott will produce. Tony Scott said filming may begin later in 2009.However, Fox would prefer Ridley Scott direct the film. In July 2009 it was confirmed that Ridley Scott would be returning to direct an Alien prequel with Jon Spaihts writing the script. In October 2009, Ridley Scott said that he was "looking forward" to directing the prequel, and that it was "kind of interesting". He also briefly talked about the time period of the film, saying "It’s a brand new box of tricks. We know what the road map is, and the screenplay is now being put on paper. The prequel will be a while ago. It’s very difficult to put a year on Alien, but [for example] if Alien was towards the end of this century, then the prequel story will take place thirty years prior." |
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Quoted: The "space jockey"... damn, I can't wait. They'd better not fuck *this* one up!IIRC, the prequel will tell the story of the "Mariner" or "Navigator" (Cant remember what RS called him) and how his ship got to LV426. If you dont know, the "Mariner" is the dead guy they find in the chair in Alien. http://images.allmoviephoto.com/1979_Alien/1979_alien_006.jpg <snip> |
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So wait, the prequel isn't actually going to have humans in it at all? It's going to be the story of how the alien ship came to be on that planet?
Uh. Okay. Weird. The Joss Whedon version of aliens coming to earth is the story I've been waiting for ever since the second movie. It should be Aliens vs Colonial Marines set on earth of that time period. Hollywood. Feh. I imagine in the Predator remake, it'll be revealed that the Predators are actually here to convince us to stop destroying the planet with our evil CO2 polluting ways and that if we can't do this, they're just going to send us a plague of face huggers to terraform the planet or something. Somehow a pure military action movie is beyond Hollywood's reach unless the military can be portrayed as evil and incompetent while the bad guys are revealed to actually be caring, nice people/aliens/facehuggers, if only we'd get to know them... Whoa. Slightly off topic rant there. Anyway, the point is I can never hear about an upcoming movie anymore without fear of how Hollywood is going to screw it up by turning it into a political message. |
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So wait, the prequel isn't actually going to have humans in it at all? It's going to be the story of how the alien ship came to be on that planet? IMO, it's fascinating. The entire H.R. Geiger design of the derelict alien ship, and the "facehugger" and "xenomorph" forms and the "space jockey" fossilized into his control-chair left you with tons of questions. Was the Space Jockey ship infested with xenomorphs? Was the Space Jockey ship taking xenomorph eggs somewhere intentionally? Since the Space Jockey, the Xenomporph, and the ship itself all kind of had the same extruded skeletal/bio-mechanical look, and the Space Jockey seemed to be built into his control chair/navigation telescope-thing... were they all bio-engineered products of one race? Adding human interest into this is probably the difficult part. Although Weyland Yutani repeatedly covered up evidence of the Aliens/Xenomorphs, and we also learn that they sent the Nostromo to LV-428 on purpose even in the first film. So having contact happen in a prequel is certainly plausible. A straight on science/survey mission that runs into them with disastrous results could even explain why "The Company" decided to sacrifice the crew of the Nostromo to collect a "sample" the second time around, with Ash, the hidden synthetic/android to try and ensure the mission went to plan. |
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So wait, the prequel isn't actually going to have humans in it at all? It's going to be the story of how the alien ship came to be on that planet? IMO, it's fascinating. The entire H.R. Geiger design of the derelict alien ship, and the "facehugger" and "xenomorph" forms and the "space jockey" fossilized into his control-chair left you with tons of questions. Was the Space Jockey ship infested with xenomorphs? Was the Space Jockey ship taking xenomorph eggs somewhere intentionally? Since the Space Jockey, the Xenomporph, and the ship itself all kind of had the same extruded skeletal/bio-mechanical look, and the Space Jockey seemed to be built into his control chair/navigation telescope-thing... were they all bio-engineered products of one race? Adding human interest into this is probably the difficult part. Although Weyland Yutani repeatedly covered up evidence of the Aliens/Xenomorphs, and also sent the Nostromo to LV-428 on purpose even in the first film, so having contact happen in a prequel is certainly plausible. Good questions and interesting possibilities. I was just thinking about the Zenomorphs (Aliens) last night while shoveling snow off of the driveway. The more I think about them, the more I'm convinced that they're an advanced form of extraterrestrial parasite. They can't reproduce without a host species. However, they also manifest hive/colony-like social structure which is atypical of parasitic creatures in general. Makes me wonder about the possiblity you mentioned of the Zenomorphs being the result of bio-engineering, possibly for the express intent of bio-warfare. |
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Good questions and interesting possibilities. I was just thinking about the Zenomorphs (Aliens) last night while shoveling snow off of the driveway. The more I think about them, the more I'm convinced that they're an advanced form of extraterrestrial parasite. They can't reproduce without a host species. However, they also manifest hive/colony-like social structure which is atypical of parasitic creatures in general. Makes me wonder about the possiblity you mentioned of the Zenomorphs being the result of bio-engineering, possibly for the express intent of bio-warfare. Honestly, I think that's what the initial Alien movie was trying to imply. The Xenomorphs grew beyond the control of the "Space Jockey" and it was a metaphor for "The Company" which was now trying to do the same. Of course, you can take any direction with it you want. Harlan Ellison once pitched a script treatment that made the Xenomorphs discovered on LV-428 were feral, and that when raised properly, the Xenomorph was sentient, and relatively peaceful. Ripley runs into them again, and after the initial shock-horror-fear, they establish communication, and the civilized Xenomorphs are appalled at what has happened so far. Ripley and the Xenomorphs then kick Weyland Yutani company butt or some such thing. 
Imagine a Xenomorph that was friendly, and had technology and weapons of it's own. That's something I'd like having on my side in a fight.
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Good questions and interesting possibilities. I was just thinking about the Zenomorphs (Aliens) last night while shoveling snow off of the driveway. The more I think about them, the more I'm convinced that they're an advanced form of extraterrestrial parasite. They can't reproduce without a host species. However, they also manifest hive/colony-like social structure which is atypical of parasitic creatures in general. Makes me wonder about the possiblity you mentioned of the Zenomorphs being the result of bio-engineering, possibly for the express intent of bio-warfare. Honestly, I think that's what the initial Alien movie was trying to imply. The Xenomorphs grew beyond the control of the "Space Jockey" and it was a metaphor for "The Company" which was now trying to do the same. Of course, you can take any direction with it you want. Harlan Ellison once pitched a script treatment that made the Xenomorphs discovered on LV-428 were feral, and that when raised properly, the Xenomorph was sentient, and relatively peaceful. Ripley runs into them again, and after the initial shock-horror-fear, they establish communication, and the civilized Xenomorphs are appalled at what has happened so far. Ripley and the Xenomorphs then kick Weyland Yutani company butt or some such thing.
Imagine a Xenomorph that was friendly, and had technology and weapons of it's own. That's something I'd like having on my side in a fight. Well, except there's still that "host required" aspect to them. Still, running with this train of thought, if there was a more "domesticated" version of the Xenomorphs they could be very useful as laborers or obviously as soldiers. Considering their design (resistant to IR optics, stealth, super acid for blood, weaponized claws, tail, mouth, ability to operate in all sorts of environments with and without much atmosphere) they are ideal as soldiers assuming they can be domesticated and controlled. Also, if you can select the host, it could be potentially manageable. On earth for example we might use cattle or sheep as hosts. We breed them for slaughter anyway. But there would always be that threat of some Xenomorph going rogue unless constantly supervised. All embryo pods would have to be managed in the most strict manner. This, of course, then plays into your example of a colonly of Xenomorphs going feral. If the bioengineers have any sense at all they would also build a "control" into the species. It could be a sensitivity to some gas, or perhaps a sensitivity to specific spectrums of light or radiation, or perhaps a sensitivity to some kind of sound waves. Something that can be used to exterminate them en masse or individually as needed, should they get out of hand. At least, if I were the bioengineer I'd darn well make sure such a control was in place. 
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Another possibility: What if these are early stage undomesticated samples of the Xenomorphs? The SpaceJockey could have been transporting samples to one of the bioengineering centers when the "samples" got loose....
Meanwhile, as the SpaceJockey's crashed ship rests for milenia on a quarantined planet (quarantined for the SpaceJockey's race anyway), development has continued and domesticated variants have been successfully bioengineered on the SpaceJockey's home system. Hehehe...that still leaves open another potential storyline of the slaves rising up against their masters or something like that. Needless to say, lots of potential storylines here.
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Another possibility: What if these are early stage undomesticated samples of the Xenomorphs? The SpaceJockey could have been transporting samples to one of the bioengineering centers when the "samples" got loose.... Meanwhile, as the SpaceJockey's crashed ship rests for milenia on a quarantined planet (quarantined for the SpaceJockey's race anyway), development has continued and domesticated variants have been successfully bioengineered on the SpaceJockey's home system. Hehehe...that still leaves open another potential storyline of the slaves rising up against their masters or something like that. Needless to say, lots of potential storylines here.Ridley Scott once opined in an interview that the Space Jockey's were using the xenomorph as a weapon, and the derelict was a "bomber" which would drop the eggs on a planet to be subjugated. OTOH, other novelizations of the Alien movie had Ash gurgling away in his milky demise to Ripley that the Space Jockey's were a "Wise and noble species.... and that he hoped Humanity could meet them under better circumstances." (why they were then screwing around with a shipload of xenomorphs is a good question...) Although that implies the company knew all sorts of hints about alien activity, current or ancient out there on the edges of human space. I've never seen it all the way through, but it's my understanding that in the AvP movies, the original Weyland of Weyland Yutani was on the "present day" mission to discover the Aliens and Predators hunting them under the ice in Antarctica or whatever... so you could make the claim "the company" always knew about the existence of the Xenomorph. 
An adventure where it turns out that the "space jockey" is just another bio-mechanoid like the xenomorph, for a biomechanical civilization full of all sorts of crazy creatures to serve every purpose imaginable, space jockey "autopilots", xenomorph soldiers/security, living vehicles that are "grown" rather than built, all with a creepy H.R. Geiger sensibility to their design look and feel, where it's a mystery as to who the original species is, who the "people in charge" are, or what their motives may be would be pretty fun IMO. |
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Quoted: I concur with you and my multitude of beta testers..For me the series ended with the second film (which is a masterpiece). Everything since has been trash unworthy of the franchise name. Maybe the 5th will be worthy of the first two, but I won't be holding my breath. I haven't watched the "others," and don't intend to. Jury's still out on this one, though... |