Posted: 4/9/2013 12:54:49 PM EDT
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So where did the need biologist go? Did they forget about him or will he be back to infect the shop in the next movie?
What did David say to the alien? Why did the alien ship crash? After it crashed you get a good overhead view and there is no damage from the Prometheus impact. If there was a sound track for Prometheus, would the captain be playing the accordion and singing?
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http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-promises-he-didnt-screw-over-prometheus-461601706
Scott may be having a hard time coming up with the next story? |
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Prometheus sucked. That is all. It was a let down, I won't go all the way to "it sucked", idiot turned it into a movie about religion instead of sticking with the evil corporation plot of the original movies. They were supposed to be heading to the planet to find terraforming technology, not some old guy in search of eternal life. |
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So where did the need biologist go? Did they forget about him or will he be back to infect the shop in the next movie?
Either they just left him there once they got told of the incoming storm or they took him back without showing it. My suspicion is that he will show up in the next movie as a zombie stowaway. What did David say to the alien? The line that David speaks to the Engineer (which is from a longer sequence that didn’t make the final edit) is as follows: "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life" I find that line particularly stupid. They traveled 500 million miles to meet their maker and that is the 1st thing they ask? |
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So where did the need biologist go? Did they forget about him or will he be back to infect the shop in the next movie? Either they just left him there once they got told of the incoming storm or they took him back without showing it. My suspicion is that he will show up in the next movie as a zombie stowaway. What did David say to the alien? The line that David speaks to the Engineer (which is from a longer sequence that didn’t make the final edit) is as follows: "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life" I find that line particularly stupid. They traveled 500 million miles to meet their maker and that is the 1st thing they ask? The old man wanted eternal life. That was the whole point of him paying for the mission. The original script, the corporation wanted to go to the alien planet to obtain alien technology for terraforming. The idiot writer from lost changed the concept to the old man trying to stay alive. That was the first question they asked b/c the old man only had a "few days of life left in him". This is what sucks about this movie. You have to read about everything they changed and left out to make sense of the movie and realise how much potential it had. |
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I don't agree with that perspective. I'd say the film has to be judged based upon what was put in it, not what was left out. It sounds like just so much "woulda, shoulda, coulda". Is it possible that your appreciation of the film was spoiled by these "sour grapes"?
If it were based on a book, and the book contained what you are describing, you'd have a better basis for your argument. Is there a book that precedes the movie? I rented it at Red Box and will view it later tonight. I've previously watched it, several times. It's far from perfect but I liked it. |
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The two things that bothered me most: 1.) What was the point of the opening sequence? Why did it appear that he was left behind like that, and why was he doing what he did - at a waterfall? 2.) David triggered the hologram of the Engineers running (where one was decapitated at the door). Why were they running in panic, and what were they running from? There's a bunch of other stuff that can only be regarded as loose ends. It's just annoying that they all seem so pointless. It's also important to point out that regardless of the fact that it parallels the Alien story so closely, Scott claims that it's a stand-alone tale. ![]() |
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From what I have read, and the speculation, the Engineer at the beginning is sacrificing himself by drinking the black stuff so that his DNA will "create" some new life.............
As for the Engineers running, I think they were running from their "weapon", which had gotten loose. Notice the pile of Engineer bodies with holes in them Quoted:
The two things that bothered me most: 1.) What was the point of the opening sequence? Why did it appear that he was left behind like that, and why was he doing what he did - at a waterfall? 2.) David triggered the hologram of the Engineers running (where one was decapitated at the door). Why were they running in panic, and what were they running from? There's a bunch of other stuff that can only be regarded as loose ends. It's just annoying that they all seem so pointless. It's also important to point out that regardless of the fact that it parallels the Alien story so closely, Scott claims that it's a stand-alone tale. ![]() |
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There's a bunch of other stuff that can only be regarded as loose ends. Are loose ends bad? Do loose ends prompt thinking in the audience? Do loose ends leave options for future film makers to weave a story of their own? It's also important to point out that regardless of the fact that it parallels the Alien story so closely, Scott claims that it's a stand-alone tale. Usually, the term "stand alone" is used to imply something that is a whole unto itself. It can be viewed and appreciated without ever having seen the other Alien films. I think this is a stand alone. There is a debate about whether it is a "prequel" to Alien. ![]() |
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So where did the need biologist go? Did they forget about him or will he be back to infect the shop in the next movie? Why did the alien ship crash? After it crashed you get a good overhead view and there is no damage from the Prometheus impact. What is a "need biologist"? The biologist (wears glasses, his arm is broken by the snake) is killed hosting the snake-like organism. He and the geologist (red haired Mohawk, tattooed head) are found by members of the search party after the storm subsides. They are both dead. In most of the views, the alien ship is on fire. In the overhead view after it impacts the surface the fire is no longer evident. Continuity error or perhaps not visible from this perspective or fire went out or,... perhaps the impulse took the guidance and control system outside its control envelope and it became unstable with insufficient control authority to right the ship and get it back on course. Is this really troubling to you? Make or break, really? What I thought was cool in that shot was you could see the hulk of the Prometheus in the background. |
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paging vxtip545... here's his epic prometheus rant in all its glory: SPOILERS - - SPOILERs.. Ok, Prometheus, i was really excited to see this in theaters, fortunately i DIDN"T. The movie was terrible, if you want pretty special effects and mindless Sci-Fi than ya, it's miles ahead better than anything on television. The spaceship is pretty, the special effects are all really nice and nothing came off as too bad except for... spoiler... spoiler... the alien, no i don't mean The Alien, i mean the "Engineers" who look like large pale human men. Like with everything CGI it's all too smooth and too pretty, although i think they actually used a real go-cart and their large wheeled vehicle looked to be real. So i'll give'm props for some real stuff. The landscapes in the beginning looked mostly real, idk how much was real places or just CGI. Anyway, enough about how it looked. The story, omg the story, it's like they just wanted to do it and it didn't matter HOW they did it, and they seemed to go out of there way to do it poorly, and then in the end you find out, they still screwed it up. Ok so problems. Everyone wakes up from cryosleep and then they meet each other. They went out into space for two years and they hadn't even met each other yet... and right off the bat they have a character displaying his having no interest in being another guy's friend. So really? I'm expected to believe that $1 trillion dollar mission to a planet that may have advanced intelligent life on it is being lead by a bunch of people who largely never met, and did not train together? This already is so absurd; consider the idea of astronauts going up to the moon and not meeting each other until they were in it's orbit, yea, that's beyond stupid. Next thing, half the crew looks like they should be playing in some indie band and right off the bat the two members put in charge display some attitude at the notion that the company they work for actually had some motivation for sending them out there even though they don't even know what that is. Ok this is absurd because such an immense, risky, costly, time-consuming, significant project as that is not going to be given to people who aren't completely team-players, and devoted to the companies goals. I just can't see this group of people being put together and chosen for this mission. Moving on, 2 years and a trillion dollars later and THEN they receive their mission briefing, so again, this is the first time they'll have met, worked together, and they didn't even know what they were doing out there...it just seems like this is the sort of thing you would do back on earth, in fact it would be at that point that many of the crew would have weeded themselves out as unsuitable for said mission. Dumb, just dumb, writers just did it for the sake of doing it apparently without any consideration for the plausibility of such mundane aspects of the movie which should not require suspension of disbelief. Aliens, ok, i can suspend my disbelief; putting a bunch of strangers on a ship and two years later telling them their mission, that's a little hard to swallow. So they land on the planet. I'm a nerd and i wanna point out some technical problems I had with the movie... The ship has a glass canopy on the front, bottom-side of the nose. So that canopy would be hit by all the force and heat of re-entry into atmosphere...it's cool looking but technically unlikely, and the other stuff...there's a radar dish on the roof spinning and several antenna like projections...i suppose these survived re-entry as well? Wouldn't it be more plausible that say, a smaller portion of the ship, ie. like the drop ship in ALIENS, or like the separate medical section, would land on the surface while the rest of the vessel stays safely in space...ok i get it, they were giving homage to Alien, fine. Since i'm on technical problems, this is a pseudo-prequel to Alien set in 2091. Alien was made in 1979 and it shows, but it's setting was the year 2179. Obviously the tech in Alien and Aliens is dated, however, knowing that this is a science fiction prequal in the universe of Aliens and knowing the technology portrayed in Alien looks like equipment in 1979, why oh why did they make everything sleek and advanced, far more advanced than anything in the other movies; form fitting spacesuits, hologram screens, advances hover-sensor things. As a huge Aliens fan it would have been more fun to see them be consistent than to make it look like Avatar and the new Star Trek. Show me green screen CRT's and panels of flashing light switches darn it! Alright back to the story. So they landed on the planet and immediately found a clearly artificial structure, ok fine. They suit up and go to take a look inside, once inside, they tell us the air has deadly levels of CO2, however something in the structure is producing breathable air and...can you guess? One of these scientists, who must have been highly vetted before such a prestigious journey right, takes off his helmet. Like he's some cool cowboy risk-taker, as if ones only concern on an alien planet in an alien structure producing its own atmosphere is whether or not there is a correct mixture of oxygen and CO2. Really? REALLY? What are the writers doing to me? Did the actors just not want to have to wear the helmets for very long or what? So, logically, after seeing him take off his helmet with no ill effect the others follow suit. So we are to suspend our disbelief yet again and suppose that these rational, highly educated people, who have a 2 year journey, a trillion dollar ship, and this amazing scientific discovery under their belts, are going to...take..off...their...helmets... what..this might just be the hardest thing to swallow in this whole movie, but then again, it might not. Let me make a technical aside, the spacesuit helmets, you'll notice the lights are on the INSIDE, both behind their head and facing down almost into their eyes...so i think I've unveiled the real reason the actors didn't want to wear helmets, they're design is stupid and impractical. So what, they're supposed to walk around with glare totally blinding them? Why would you put lights on the inside?! If i remember correctly they also lacked any external lights, so not only do they have lights pointing at their eyes but they aren't able to illuminate anything else either. But never mind that, the cave is conveniently lit enough to see and the glare is never an issue during the times they have any sense to wear their helmets. Moving on, they go inside and send out probes which begin mapping the entire structure. It's actually something you would think a robot could do more safely and would have been something you would do matter-of-factly before doing anything else, because... if you can map out an alien structure from complete safety why would you not do that first? ...So at this point a map is being constructed in the ship which the crew can see, meanwhile the guy who's an android. Ignore that this android comes off as being far more sophisticated and human than those of Alien and Aliens, forget that. The android touches a wall and for no reason supposes some recesses are actually a sort of touch-technology and touches them in such a way that a hologram occurs which portrays some things which leads the scientists to a door where one of the "Engineers" got it's head chopped off. What reasonable thing happens next? Two of the crew, the mohawk guy who, earlier claimed to be "security" and was denied taking a weapon because they were doing "science" but is actually a geologist, and another guy, all of a sudden, for no reason, just FREAK OUT because of the 2000 year old dead body and go running back to the ship. This is just stupid and comes off as forced. So they manage to open the door and go inside and they start screwing around with stuff. Remember they are no longer wearing their helmets and they are touching alien goo stuff. Ok so they start messing with things which begin coming to life but they don't bother using instruments to collect any of it, then the ship tells them they have 15 minutes to get back inside before a storm of silica shards hits them. So were supposed to believe this structure which has a human face carved outside of it is both 2000 years old and hit regularly with 400 miles per hour glass shard storms? Really? ok, fine, erosion doesn't exist in this universe. With that in mind, we see our "heroes" scrambling to get the aliens head and get back to the ship. Why are they scrambling? The head has been there for 2000 years and they've spent 2 years getting there, there is literally no hurry to start screwing around with what they've found and yet they're acting like if they didn't get it now they'd never get another chance. Again, it just doesn't make sense. Furthermore the main character almost dies trying not to lose it in the storm and while they just told us the storm would tea them up and fry their suits we actually see none of the scientists gets harmed at all, they're suits don't even have any scratches and the glass helmets are pristine. Woops, guess the storm wasn't that dangerous after all. This is another perfect example of why the ship would be better served safely in orbit and not exposed to things like that. Anyway, they take the alien "engineer's" head back inside to the lab; things like bio-hazard suits, face-masks, goggles, are all foreign to these people as they start messing with it fully exposed. This is just... i mean what...are we, the audience, supposed to suspend everything we know about the risks of biological and chemical contamination from things we are not used to??!! If water from Mexico can make us hurl and poop, i'm pretty sure a 2000 year old alien corpse head is worth maybe covering your face. But they don't, instead they, for reasons i did not catch, they decide to stick a giant needle that is some kind of electric probe into the head so that it will make facial expressions. I know, you discover their are intelligent aliens on a foreign planet and the first thing you do when you find a dead one is try to have it make faces. So they do, and it works, they get it to make faces, but then they can't stop it and the head ends up exploding. Yes, that's right, that thing worth dying for, that discovery of the ages, they blow it up because they wanted it to make faces. Fortunately, they moved it into a quarantine box before it spewed green brains all over the place, good timing too, had that occurred sooner they would have all gotten brains in the face and it would have been in the air too. One might think that a hazmat suit would have been perfect for such an occasion, but no, these are scientists and they have no time for that nonsense, they have science to do! So the android man does some of his own research on some of the alien stuff. He discovers some sort of dark living liquid, which he, of course, subtly drops into one of the other main characters drinks. Ya know, just to see what happens i suppose, it must be a lot faster than actually notifying the crew about it and doing real research, which none of the crew seem actually capable of. Meanwhile, remember those guys who got scared and ran back to the ship, well, they never made it, they got lost. Remember those sensors that were mapping the place out and how the crew could see this hologram map, well, they knew where these guys were the whole time. So it turns out these guys have actually been in radio contact with the ship despite the storm and they're communicating with the captain who can actually see exactly where they are and he tells them the probes found life nearby. Something you'll notice in this scene is that...well.. THEY NEVER ASK FOR DIRECTIONS TO GET BACK OUT! WTF, really, again, this is just beyond stupid. So they wind up back in the room where the aliens head was. Ya know, that dead thing that scarred them soooo much that they left and got lost, ya, go back there and are all of a sudden totally cocky and goofing around. Which, while puts them back in character, makes no sense at all with the earlier scene of them running away. Anyway, at at least they're wearing their helmets still because they find an alien that comes out of some oily liquid and, one of them decides touching this snake-like thing is a good idea. Well, it wasn't and well, ok he dies, the other doofus with the mohawk gets oil splashed on his face which promptly begins burning his helmet in homage to the original Alien. Maybe i'm nitpicking here but why would he instinctively grab at his face upon it getting liquid on it. Sure it was burning but it's a helmet several inches from his face, as in, while the acid might eat through the helmet it no longer has forward momentum so it wouldn't come at your face. But anyway he dies. What else what else, so the rest of the crew suit up to go back out there, they find the dead guys and the oil and return to the ship, however our main hero guy has been infected, and Charlize Theron won't let him back on the ship. So she tells him he can either stay outside or she'll burn him up, naturally, he forces her to burn him to death instead of wait patiently outside and perhaps use scientific research to grasp what is going on. It's almost like none of these people are scientists...So the main female character wakes up, the android tells her she's 3 months pregnant and that it's not exactly human, but that he won't take it out of her. So instead of, idk, lying to her or not telling her anything, he puts her in a real hard spot. Sh he drugs her and takes her to surgery where her two ship mates turn out to, all of a sudden, be part of an evil conspiracy to get an alien out of her. Bear in mind they've never been to this place before or interacted with any of these alien things, and thus have no idea what they are dealing with. Yes suspend your disbelief again, they know co-worker is infected with a creature and they want it. Things don't go as planned because it turns out she's awake and somehow manages to knock-out both scientists, who are both strangely wearing hazmat suits all of a sudden. This is even more ridiculous because they'd established earlier that if the oxygen and CO2 levels are right then air is safe to breath, period, and that dissecting alien heads if perfectly safe too. So why they are now wearing suits when dealing with their own crew-mate who'm they themselves had interacted with earlier, doesn't quite make sense. Oh well, la la la, the girl breaks free and gets to the automated surgery machine and programs it to cut her open and pull the alien out, it does, it crudely staples her back up and she is good-to-go for the rest of the movie. She proceeds to leave the alien in the room and wonders back to find that the Company owner is on the ship with some extra crew members, surprise! Oh ya, remember how they were just trying to do surgery on her, well, they don't care any more, they don't even seem to mention it, and then never bother to even ask what happened to the alien inside her...oh and don't worry, she doesn't really have any hard feelings about the whole drugging her attempted surgery thing, water under the bridge. Did i mention the Company owner came all the way out to the alien world to find eternal life, as if he was just going to stroll in and they'd have a cure for human aging waiting for him, all based on some old hieroglyphics of stars. Where's my "Jump to Conclusions" mat? So that dead burned up guy appears at the spaceships main door in a weird position and so, of course, a guy goes out to check it and the man promptly smashes his face. Ok so, when they burned their friend to death apparently it wasn't so much to have even burned up the suit, let alone keep him from...resurrecting and going on a rampage. Anyway, he runs taking bullets, getting lit on fire, and crushed and eventually dies but not before killing several more unnamed crew. Did i mention he looked like one of the "engineers." So the black stuff turned the human being into a completely different but already existing species. This ,of course, garners no follow up questions from the crew. So our lead female character suits up and goes out with the unhinged Company owner and his lackies back to the alien structure. Meanwhile, I think i'm keeping this pretty well in chronological order, the ships captain explains to Charlize Theron's character his hypothesis that the alien engineers do not live on this planet at all but that it is an installation for creating bio-weapons which were meant to destroy earth and thus they must not let the alien ship escape. At first glance this scene seems ok until you actually put thought into it and realize the captain has very little information and is entirely jumping to conclusions...did the captain read the script?? How could he know these things?? So they go inside the ship and wake up one of the Engineers sleeping in the ships control room and our evil android character begins talking to him. That's right, for no reasons given the android can talk to the alien. I forgot to mention earlier the android brought up a star map hologram by accident in the room, again just by hitting buttons, and it showed earth. So maybe that's how the captain jumped to conclusions like he did. Anyway, the Engineer tears the androids head off and beats up the rest of them to death, except for our female hero. He does get shot once by one of the goones but it, again for reasons unexplained, is very strong and unaffected. So it starts up the ship and the woman escapes and tells the crew back at the ship what's gonna happen. So the captain decides he's gonna crash the ship and the other crew can leave, the captain is confident he can crash the ship with no help and yet for some reason the other two crew members with no reservations about killing themselves, decide to stay and help. So we're to believe that when told they essentially aren't needed and could save themselves these two guys are gonna err to the side of caution, and get themselves killed too..really.. idk man. Meanwhile Charlize Theron ejects in an escape pod while the medical "life boat" ejects as well and, go figure, smashes part of itself into the ground. How inconvenient right? So alien takes off and the humans take off, they crash the aliens ship and take it down and it lands on it's side and begins rolling...of course, our two female characters happen to be in the narrow path of this rolling space ship. And what do they do? They run straight away from it...i mean come on... COME ON!! it's rolling after them and they need only run to the left or to the right and be clear in second and they don't do it. Charlize ends up falling and getting crushed, bringing her dry irrelevant character to a frustrating unnecessary end. While the other woman...can you guess? She runs sideways, in fact almost as soon as she does she clears the thing, so actually they could have both done that at any point earlier and been fine. But then it looses momentum and falls on top of her. Fortunately a small bolder appears to prevent the ship from crushing her, yep the rock she falls next to ends up apparently stopping the whole ship.. ok. You think this is over? It's not over, i will tell you when it is over! So the main female is that last whole character left and she proceeds to the life pod only for the android head to warn her via radio that the Engineer was actually alive and coming for her. Bam, there it is, she has an axe but doesn't end up using it and right when the engineer is going to kill her it turns out that little alien that everybody forgot about had turned into a giant octopus monster and it ends up grabbing him while she gets free. She goes back to the alien ship, gets the android and they go to another alien engineer ship to fly away happily ever after in search of the alien homeworld, don't get me started on how stupid that is, lets just say, i hope there's food and water on that thing but i wouldn't err, hold my breadth. Aha, ahaha. And so the alien octopus ends up mouth raping the alien engineer and then the engineer is shown being split open and what looks like our classic "Alien" from the Aliens movies pops out of him. End Movie. That ending, really wraps everything up nicely right, i mean we have the crashed alien vessel and we have the alien...and the woman flew off but not to earth so they can make a Prometheus 2 without further damaging the Alien Quadrilogy. Problems: When the alien engineer ship is found on LV426 in the Aliens series the Engineer is seated in the seat with his chest burst opened. There are a couple problems here. Obviously this isn't how Prometheus ended, so you might say it's a different ship. However the ship found in both Alien and Aliens was a crashed ship on the surface. So why would they clearly lead up to Aliens with the crashed ship if they didn't intend it on being the same. What's really frustrating is that they had it sort of right, they had the Engineer implanted and all they needed to do was have him go to one of the other ships and then get chest bursted and die, except this would necessarily really him to also crash that ship, which would have been stupid and redundant and taken too much extra time. Another problem with the ending, or i should say, the entire story, is that they never bothered explaining the black oil which seems like homage to the X-Files, and the writers apparently had never seen Alien or Aliens because the Engineer control room wasn't supposed to have black oil and tall stone...things... do you remember what it's supposed to be full of? Yes that's right, ALIENS, Alien eggs, that is what they find, that is what plants itself onto John Hurt's face in Alien, and that plot point is what leads to the second film. So they have the ship crash but then neither the engineer is in or nor the alien eggs, furthermore, had their been human remains or a destroyed human spaceship, or other alien surface structures/spaceships they would have found them in either Alien, or Aliens, both in the ship and around it. Obviously that is not the case. Which conveys the idea that while this movie alludes to being a prequel with strong signs that that is exactly what they wanted it to be, they went out of there way to make sure it wasn't. Which only leaves me to wonder if this was on purpose or if they truly are so incompetent as to not be able to fit their story in with the other movies. Judging by how terrible the story and the plot devices were, i'm gonna say, they tried to make it a prequel and really did totally screw it up. Ok i'm done. |
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I would waste too much time, and most of the criticism is very poor, reflecting a possible lack of comprehension of what they were shown in the video. Just one example, the paragraph about examining the alien head - the head was scanned for "contagion" and none was found, therefore they proceed with a level of caution consistent with a non-contagious specimen.
The lights are INSIDE the helmets so we can see the faces of the actors and know who is who. It's that simple. They run in line with the rolling spaceship so you will sit there and scream, "Run sideways!" It is a gimmick to get your adrenaline flowing. Based upon the emotional nature of that rant, I'd say it worked. |
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Here is one of several reasons I liked the movie -
When given the option to go home, Elizabeth Shaw says no, "I don't want to go where we came from, I want to go where they came from." <-- great idea, and not just to generate a sequel. She doesn't simply head home, like Ripley did, she heads outward. I like that. |
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I liked Prometheus till the dumb ass biologist "scientist" tried to pet the cobra looking alien thingy.
Hey, dumbass, dosen't it ring any bells in your head that this could be Timothy Treadwell bad. Cobras are a bad idea to pet but they must be extinct at the time they left earth. |
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Quoted: I would waste too much time, and most of the criticism is very poor, reflecting a possible lack of comprehension of what they were shown in the video. Just one example, the paragraph about examining the alien head - the head was scanned for "contagion" and none was found, therefore they proceed with a level of caution consistent with a non-contagious specimen. The lights are INSIDE the helmets so we can see the faces of the actors and know who is who. It's that simple. They run in line with the rolling spaceship so you will sit there and scream, "Run sideways!" It is a gimmick to get your adrenaline flowing. Based upon the emotional nature of that rant, I'd say it worked. I don't think that these people embarking on a trillion dollar mission having never trained together or anything is poor criticism. Nor is the idea that the guys so freaked out about the dead body all of a sudden have no fear when encountering cobra-like creatures. The lights in the helmet, for me, takes away the 4th wall and acknowledges that we're supposed to be able to identify actors in a fiction. The last bit about running in line was just as you said, gimmicky. Too much suspension of disbelief on what should have been easy-to-nail-down plot devices. It felt contrived and hasty, like maybe they spent too much time on CGI and special effects and had to get a team of tards to work out the plot. |
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One part I find very intriguing and am going to revisit the film for: David is about to infect Charlie with the black goo via a drink. They are discussing their respective creators. The dialogue was a LOT of double entendre.
Another interesting theme/analogy - God's destruction of mankind (Noah and his ark) : The Engineers' intended destruction of the humans. Why do the Engineers want to destroy all of humanity? Why was the one remaining Engineer so openly hostile to humans? |

