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6/14/2008 2:00:29 PM EDT
Yes, it is a legitimate question, and a part of a much larger debate.

Do animals sin? Or, put another way, are animals capable of committing sin?

I'll explain more of the larger debate later.

ETA - this is related to my other thread about 'do animals go to heaven?'. I will tie the two together shortly and explain what they have to do with each other and why this has caused some questions.
6/14/2008 2:05:15 PM EDT
[#1]
AND, If that little monster digs JUST ONE MORE HOLE in my carpet, I'm taking him out!...
6/14/2008 6:04:41 PM EDT
[#2]
Wow, I never thought about that. I don't think animals have a conscious  therefore I don't think they have the capacity for knowledge of right and wrong. I think what most people mistake a domestic animals reaction to something we feel as wrong behavior is just merely a reaction to our actions towards them.

But then again, I haven't got a clue.
6/14/2008 10:56:43 PM EDT
[#3]
No.

To commit sin requires the knowledge of good and evil.

Animals were never given the proscription and didn't eat of the tree.
6/16/2008 3:44:08 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted: Do animals sin?


Animals are not created in his image. No, animals don't sin.
6/16/2008 4:00:11 PM EDT
[#5]
YES!  Of course they do, otherwise my son wouldn't be crying today after the dufus rufus ate his friggin tadpoles he caught.  They were growing legs and the whole bit.  Had them for about a week, he was warned time after time not to go bobbing in the tank, but the debbil got the best of him.    

I think animals that have been trained and loved sin, in general animals are animals.  It's their nature.
6/16/2008 7:36:38 PM EDT
[#6]
No.  They can behave, or misbehave, but not sin.  To sin, they would have to be given the light of Christ that is given to all MEN, and then act against it.
6/16/2008 7:48:22 PM EDT
[#7]
To sin, they would have to knowingly violate a matter of conscience. I don't think that's possible for an animal.
6/16/2008 7:48:28 PM EDT
[#8]
sorry, double tap . . .
6/16/2008 8:15:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Animals can and often do things that we would call bad, but since they have no concept of right or wrong they are not held accountable.
6/16/2008 9:22:26 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Yes, it is a legitimate question, and a part of a much larger debate.

Do animals sin? Or, put another way, are animals capable of committing sin?

I'll explain more of the larger debate later.

ETA - this is related to my other thread about 'do animals go to heaven?'. I will tie the two together shortly and explain what they have to do with each other and why this has caused some questions.


if they did then they would be human.


6/16/2008 9:23:27 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
No.  They can behave, or misbehave, but not sin.  To sin, they would have to be given the light of Christ that is given to all MEN, and then act against it.


And there you go!

She has closed the thread!

6/17/2008 7:26:43 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
No.

To commit sin requires the knowledge of good and evil.

Animals were never given the proscription and didn't eat of the tree.


QFT
6/20/2008 12:18:57 AM EDT
[#13]
I'd say most animals can be and are corrupted by sin. If they are one of the more intelligent creatures they can probably develop different degrees of sinfulness as well.

People who've owned things like Octopuses for example. They've had their pets grow to hate them and plot to murder them. An Octopus can hate you enough to escape its tank, go into your kitchen to get a frying pan or knife and then try to kill you to while you sleep. Just the fact that its premeditated and trying to kill is probably some evidence for sinfulness.

Its common for Elephant males, who weren't raised by other Elephant males, to be very angry toward other Elephants. They'll kill and basically rape female elephants they come in contact with. If they are raised and taught to control themselves and respect other female elephants by older males. They won't do that because they are taught right from wrong. In my mind, that implies they understand sin to some degree and can choose to become sinful.

Have you ever scolded a cat or dog and then watched it go attack one of your other pets in anger? Just because it felt hurt and angry, it felt a need to go attack someone just because they are angry. There is an intentional desire to hurt another just because it felt a certain way. It might not be sin exactly, but it is definitely influenced by sin.
6/20/2008 12:23:25 AM EDT
[#14]
The owners can sin and utilize an animal for sinful purposes, but that does not mean the animal committed the sin any more than a gun can commit a sin if it is used for evil purposes.
6/20/2008 3:14:48 PM EDT
[#15]
No they don't,yeah what she said
6/20/2008 4:15:08 PM EDT
[#16]
"Before I had the law, I did no sin'. Since animals don't have any law, they cannot sin. But if an armadillo digs a hole in my yard you can be sure I'm playing god the next night with my boom stick.
6/23/2008 8:53:53 AM EDT
[#17]
No. They don't have a soul.
6/25/2008 1:55:27 PM EDT
[#18]
As stated before, animals have no sense of self.  Though totally worthy of respect and love by humans, and animals typically inate capability to become "part of the familly", this can't be construed into anything else.

They are what they are.

I had several ferrets at one time--truly a "business"!  As they typically are cancer-magnets, three surgeries over four years--well, do the math; I could have replaced each cancer-ridden critter with ~ 10 others for the cost.  However, they were part of my familly, and provided us with lot's of laughs.

I hope there is a special place for loved, lost pets, though after this Jew dies, I truly hope, if there is an afterlife, it doesn't include those little shitters!  

6/25/2008 5:38:55 PM EDT
[#19]
no sense of self? How in the heck do you figure that?
6/25/2008 5:41:28 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
no sense of self? How in the heck do you figure that?


I think he means that they don't realize that they exist and question why/how.


ETA: scuba-ed, correct me if I am wrong.
6/25/2008 5:48:30 PM EDT
[#21]
Erm, no.
To sin, one must understand the concept of evil. And....One must choose evil over good.
All animals know is:
1.Can I eat it?
2. Can I <bleep> it?
That's all they really know.

6/25/2008 5:49:20 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Erm, no.
To sin, one must understand the concept of evil. And....One must choose evil over good.
All animals know is:
1.Can I eat it?
2. Can I <bleep> it?
That's all they really know.



Sounds like some members in GD.
6/25/2008 5:53:18 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

All animals know is:
1.Can I eat it?
2. Can I <bleep> it?
That's all they really know.



That pretty much described my 20's.  I'm reformed now though.  I ask my wife's permission first.
6/25/2008 6:36:51 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
no sense of self? How in the heck do you figure that?


I think he means that they don't realize that they exist and question why/how.


ETA: scuba-ed, correct me if I am wrong.



I think they more than realize they exist, obviously. As for questioning why or how, I would agree they don't quite have the intellect to consider that.