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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: What does organized religion mean to you? Organized religion to me means the external structures and traditions that people build around faith. Those can be helpful for fellowship, learning, and encouragement, but they are not the heart of Christianity (Christ in you, the hope of Glory). In contrast, a personal relationship/personal faith centers on knowing and relating directly to the living Person of Jesus Christ by faith --- through the Word, prayer, witness of the Holy Spirit, and daily dependence on Him. The institution is not the source of life; Christ is. For me the essence is a personal relationship with the living Son of God. Eternal life itself is defined as knowing God and Jesus Christ personally. @Gullskjegg see the Word of God: John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ~Jesus Paul the Lord's Apostle counted everything else as loss compared to knowing Christ. Philippians 3:8-10 ‘More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord… that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings…’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Here, Jesus warned against forms of religion that stay on the surface Matthew 15:8-9 "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men." ~ Jesus And Paul cautioned believers not to be taken captive by human tradition instead of Christ. Colossians 2:8 ‘See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Sir, so while I do deeply value the body of believers and sound teaching, I don’t put my faith primarily in an institution or its ceremonies. I put it in a living relationship with Jesus --- who is a Person, risen and present, not a system or a religious formula. *The institution should serve that relationship, not replace it. Everything we have as believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ is through His death, burial and resurrection. He is alive. This event changed my life. I personally called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord! My mom is having a hard go at it and is in the hospital again. She fell and fractured a rib. It's getting difficult caring for her because of some other very challenging circumstances like her mental state and the living conditions she chooses. Whoever reads this, I'm asking that you would pray with me that she can make good decisions for her health now. For a home health care or even a rehabilitation facility. This is all heavy and I'm leaning on Jesus; He is my burden bearer. I trust Him. Have a blessed day in the Lord. Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Organized religion to me means the external structures and traditions that people build around faith. Those can be helpful for fellowship, learning, and encouragement, but they are not the heart of Christianity (Christ in you, the hope of Glory). In contrast, a personal relationship/personal faith centers on knowing and relating directly to the living Person of Jesus Christ by faith --- through the Word, prayer, witness of the Holy Spirit, and daily dependence on Him. The institution is not the source of life; Christ is. To me, the essence is a personal relationship with the living Son of God. Eternal life itself is defined as knowing God and Jesus Christ personally. @Gullskjegg see the Word of God: John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ~Jesus Paul the Lord's Apostle counted everything else as loss compared to knowing Christ. Philippians 3:8-10 ‘More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord… that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings…’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Here, Jesus warned against forms of religion that stay on the surface Matthew 15:8-9 "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men." ~ Jesus And Paul cautioned believers not to be taken captive by human tradition instead of Christ. Colossians 2:8 ‘See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Sir, so while I do deeply value the body of believers and sound teaching, I don’t put my faith primarily in an institution or its ceremonies. I put it in a living relationship with Jesus --- who is a Person, risen and present, not a system or a religious formula. *The institution should serve that relationship, not replace it. Everything we have as believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ is through His death, burial and resurrection. He is alive. This event changed my life. I personally called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord! My mom is having a hard go at it and is in the hospital again. She fell and fractured a rib. It's getting difficult caring for her because of some other very challenging circumstances like her mental state and the living conditions she chooses. Whoever reads this, I'm asking that you would pray with me that she can make good decisions for her health now. For a home health care or even a rehabilitation facility. This is all heavy and I'm leaning on Jesus; He is my burden bearer. I trust Him. Have a blessed day in the Lord. Thank you. Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: What does organized religion mean to you? Organized religion to me means the external structures and traditions that people build around faith. Those can be helpful for fellowship, learning, and encouragement, but they are not the heart of Christianity (Christ in you, the hope of Glory). In contrast, a personal relationship/personal faith centers on knowing and relating directly to the living Person of Jesus Christ by faith --- through the Word, prayer, witness of the Holy Spirit, and daily dependence on Him. The institution is not the source of life; Christ is. To me, the essence is a personal relationship with the living Son of God. Eternal life itself is defined as knowing God and Jesus Christ personally. @Gullskjegg see the Word of God: John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ~Jesus Paul the Lord's Apostle counted everything else as loss compared to knowing Christ. Philippians 3:8-10 ‘More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord… that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings…’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Here, Jesus warned against forms of religion that stay on the surface Matthew 15:8-9 "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men." ~ Jesus And Paul cautioned believers not to be taken captive by human tradition instead of Christ. Colossians 2:8 ‘See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Sir, so while I do deeply value the body of believers and sound teaching, I don’t put my faith primarily in an institution or its ceremonies. I put it in a living relationship with Jesus --- who is a Person, risen and present, not a system or a religious formula. *The institution should serve that relationship, not replace it. Everything we have as believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ is through His death, burial and resurrection. He is alive. This event changed my life. I personally called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord! My mom is having a hard go at it and is in the hospital again. She fell and fractured a rib. It's getting difficult caring for her because of some other very challenging circumstances like her mental state and the living conditions she chooses. Whoever reads this, I'm asking that you would pray with me that she can make good decisions for her health now. For a home health care or even a rehabilitation facility. This is all heavy and I'm leaning on Jesus; He is my burden bearer. I trust Him. Have a blessed day in the Lord. Thank you. Prayers sent. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Organized religion to me means the external structures and traditions that people build around faith. Those can be helpful for fellowship, learning, and encouragement, but they are not the heart of Christianity (Christ in you, the hope of Glory). In contrast, a personal relationship/personal faith centers on knowing and relating directly to the living Person of Jesus Christ by faith --- through the Word, prayer, witness of the Holy Spirit, and daily dependence on Him. The institution is not the source of life; Christ is. To me the essence is a personal relationship with the living Son of God. Eternal life itself is defined as knowing God and Jesus Christ personally. @Gullskjegg see the Word of God: John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ~Jesus Paul the Lord's Apostle counted everything else as loss compared to knowing Christ. Philippians 3:8-10 ‘More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord… that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings…’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Here, Jesus warned against forms of religion that stay on the surface Matthew 15:8-9 "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men." ~ Jesus And Paul cautioned believers not to be taken captive by human tradition instead of Christ. Colossians 2:8 ‘See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Sir, so while I do deeply value the body of believers and sound teaching, I don’t put my faith primarily in an institution or its ceremonies. I put it in a living relationship with Jesus --- who is a Person, risen and present, not a system or a religious formula. *The institution should serve that relationship, not replace it. Everything we have as believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ is through His death, burial and resurrection. He is alive. This event changed my life. I personally called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord! My mom is having a hard go at it and is in the hospital again. She fell and fractured a rib. It's getting difficult caring for her because of some other very challenging circumstances like her mental state and the living conditions she chooses. Whoever reads this, I'm asking that you would pray with me that she can make good decisions for her health now. For a home health care or even a rehabilitation facility. This is all heavy and I'm leaning on Jesus; He is my burden bearer. I trust Him. Have a blessed day in the Lord. Thank you. Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: What does organized religion mean to you? Organized religion to me means the external structures and traditions that people build around faith. Those can be helpful for fellowship, learning, and encouragement, but they are not the heart of Christianity (Christ in you, the hope of Glory). In contrast, a personal relationship/personal faith centers on knowing and relating directly to the living Person of Jesus Christ by faith --- through the Word, prayer, witness of the Holy Spirit, and daily dependence on Him. The institution is not the source of life; Christ is. To me the essence is a personal relationship with the living Son of God. Eternal life itself is defined as knowing God and Jesus Christ personally. @Gullskjegg see the Word of God: John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ~Jesus Paul the Lord's Apostle counted everything else as loss compared to knowing Christ. Philippians 3:8-10 ‘More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord… that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings…’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Here, Jesus warned against forms of religion that stay on the surface Matthew 15:8-9 "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men." ~ Jesus And Paul cautioned believers not to be taken captive by human tradition instead of Christ. Colossians 2:8 ‘See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Sir, so while I do deeply value the body of believers and sound teaching, I don’t put my faith primarily in an institution or its ceremonies. I put it in a living relationship with Jesus --- who is a Person, risen and present, not a system or a religious formula. *The institution should serve that relationship, not replace it. Everything we have as believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ is through His death, burial and resurrection. He is alive. This event changed my life. I personally called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord! My mom is having a hard go at it and is in the hospital again. She fell and fractured a rib. It's getting difficult caring for her because of some other very challenging circumstances like her mental state and the living conditions she chooses. Whoever reads this, I'm asking that you would pray with me that she can make good decisions for her health now. For a home health care or even a rehabilitation facility. This is all heavy and I'm leaning on Jesus; He is my burden bearer. I trust Him. Have a blessed day in the Lord. Thank you. The heart of the issue is you are following the traditions of men by being outside the structure of the Catholic Church which is the keeper of the Apostolic traditions given to us by Jesus Christ Himself. There is a reason all of the Apostolic Churches are nearly identical in doctrine and practice, because they have a single source. The One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church: 'Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ' - 2 Thessalonians 2:14 Every protestant denomination (Whose sole unifying characteristic is being Anti-Catholic): 'Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ: 'Colossians 2:8 Prayers for your mother, offer it all up to Jesus my brother. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Pope is not in the Bible. but you say he is, You prove it. Your the ones always making the claim that your "it" Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. When did this happen? You tell me when the pope showed up, but then I don't care. The NT are the oldest books of the early church, No one wrote about a pope. And anything we know about Peter, whether it's his 2 epistles or in Acts, he was not a pope. You made the claim and have nothing to back it up? Did you just come up with it out of thin air or are you just wishing really hard. Any of you that reject organized religion, specifically that of the true God worshipped and defended by the Church Christ founded, are going to have to give up every book of the New Testament (except maybe the four Gospels); they are by their most basic identity authoritative letters of a functioning hierarchical Church, aside from Acts which is the earliest workings of said Church. Pope is not in the Bible. but you say he is, You prove it. Your the ones always making the claim that your "it" The first three "popes" are in the Bible actually and the Apostle Saint John was still living while Clement was the Bishop of Rome, the church in Corinth sent for help from him during this time and we have his letter back to them. 'Make haste to come before winter Eubulus and Pudens, and Linus and Claudia, and all the brethren, salute thee. ' - 2 Timothy 4:21 'And I entreat thee also, my sincere companion, help those women who have laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement and the rest of my fellow labourers, whose names are in the book of life. ' - Philippians 4:3 As to the primacy of Peter, the roots as it were. There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as “Peter and those who were with him” (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). Peter’s name occurs more in scripture than all the other Apostles combined, just an interesting fact. The keys to the kingdom (Matthew 16:18)(Isaiah 22). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). Peter brings in the fish in a net untorn (not in schism)(John 21:11). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48). "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles." - Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, 155 AD "For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: "Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!" Matthew 16:18 The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these:— Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius." - Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, 400 AD |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The heart of the issue is you are following the traditions of men by being outside the structure of the Catholic Church which is the keeper of the Apostolic traditions given to us by Jesus Christ Himself. There is a reason all of the Apostolic Churches are nearly identical in doctrine and practice, because they have a single source. The One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church: 'Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ' - 2 Thessalonians 2:14 Every protestant denomination (Whose sole unifying characteristic is being Anti-Catholic): 'Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ: 'Colossians 2:8 Prayers for your mother, offer it all up to Jesus my brother. Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: What does organized religion mean to you? Organized religion to me means the external structures and traditions that people build around faith. Those can be helpful for fellowship, learning, and encouragement, but they are not the heart of Christianity (Christ in you, the hope of Glory). In contrast, a personal relationship/personal faith centers on knowing and relating directly to the living Person of Jesus Christ by faith --- through the Word, prayer, witness of the Holy Spirit, and daily dependence on Him. The institution is not the source of life; Christ is. To me the essence is a personal relationship with the living Son of God. Eternal life itself is defined as knowing God and Jesus Christ personally. @Gullskjegg see the Word of God: John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." ~Jesus Paul the Lord's Apostle counted everything else as loss compared to knowing Christ. Philippians 3:8-10 ‘More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord… that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings…’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Here, Jesus warned against forms of religion that stay on the surface Matthew 15:8-9 "This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men." ~ Jesus And Paul cautioned believers not to be taken captive by human tradition instead of Christ. Colossians 2:8 ‘See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.’ ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Sir, so while I do deeply value the body of believers and sound teaching, I don’t put my faith primarily in an institution or its ceremonies. I put it in a living relationship with Jesus --- who is a Person, risen and present, not a system or a religious formula. *The institution should serve that relationship, not replace it. Everything we have as believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ is through His death, burial and resurrection. He is alive. This event changed my life. I personally called on the name of the Lord and He rescued me. Jesus is Lord! My mom is having a hard go at it and is in the hospital again. She fell and fractured a rib. It's getting difficult caring for her because of some other very challenging circumstances like her mental state and the living conditions she chooses. Whoever reads this, I'm asking that you would pray with me that she can make good decisions for her health now. For a home health care or even a rehabilitation facility. This is all heavy and I'm leaning on Jesus; He is my burden bearer. I trust Him. Have a blessed day in the Lord. Thank you. The heart of the issue is you are following the traditions of men by being outside the structure of the Catholic Church which is the keeper of the Apostolic traditions given to us by Jesus Christ Himself. There is a reason all of the Apostolic Churches are nearly identical in doctrine and practice, because they have a single source. The One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church: 'Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ' - 2 Thessalonians 2:14 Every protestant denomination (Whose sole unifying characteristic is being Anti-Catholic): 'Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ: 'Colossians 2:8 Prayers for your mother, offer it all up to Jesus my brother. Brother, I'd sincerely ask for you to consider, for yourself, more deeply the revelation of who He is. He wants you to know Him. John 14:19-21 After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” ~ Jesus Matthew 16:17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Galatians 1:11-12 “For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.” Galatians 1:15-16 But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, ... ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle 2 Corinthians 4:6 “For God, who said, ‘Light shall shine out of darkness,’ is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.” ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Ephesians 3:2-3, 7-8 “…if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you; that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery… of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power. To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ.” God loves people, He doesn't differentiate what your religious preferences are. Thank you for your prayers. Love God love people shine, shine His Light (Jesus is the Light of the world) Maranatha |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Ephesians 3:2-3, 7-8 “…if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you; " What business is that of Paul? And why would the church that is in Ephesus listen? You're quoting the Church exercising it's God given authority and preaching against that Church in the very same breath. "He doesn't differentiate what your religious preferences are." This is liberalism |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: What business is that of Paul? And why would the church that is in Ephesus listen? You're quoting the Church exercising it's God given authority and preaching against that Church in the very same breath. "He doesn't differentiate what your religious preferences are." This is liberalism Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Ephesians 3:2-3, 7-8 “…if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you; " What business is that of Paul? And why would the church that is in Ephesus listen? You're quoting the Church exercising it's God given authority and preaching against that Church in the very same breath. "He doesn't differentiate what your religious preferences are." This is liberalism Have you ever seen for yourself any man, a wounded enemy? 'Love your enemies.' 1 Corinthians 13:12-13 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. 1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. Giving is receiving (something I believe I've learned). You can't out give God. He gave all. Even so, come Lord Jesus. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Have you ever seen for yourself any man, an wounded enemy? 'Love your enemies.' 1 Corinthians 13:12-13 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. 1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. Giving is receiving (something I believe I've learned). You can't out give God. He gave all. Even so, come Lord Jesus. Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Ephesians 3:2-3, 7-8 “…if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you; " What business is that of Paul? And why would the church that is in Ephesus listen? You're quoting the Church exercising it's God given authority and preaching against that Church in the very same breath. "He doesn't differentiate what your religious preferences are." This is liberalism Have you ever seen for yourself any man, an wounded enemy? 'Love your enemies.' 1 Corinthians 13:12-13 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. 1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. Giving is receiving (something I believe I've learned). You can't out give God. He gave all. Even so, come Lord Jesus. It's like an old sci-fi robot that starts spouting random quotes and gibberish when presented with it's own paradoxical claim. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: It's like an old sci-fi robot that starts spouting random quotes and gibberish when presented with it's own paradoxical claim. I sometimes wonder. The posts between Bishop3 and Raidersgone just instinctively make me think of Dead Internet Theory. Like all I'm reading is noise... |
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Originally Posted By redmond: In my experience and opinion, most of today's "organized religions" stand in the way of a person's connection to God. Well, what do you mean by "connection to God"? Do you mean God such as reason could discern Him to be, or God such us many want Him to be? |
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[b]Originally Posted By wswartzendruber:[/ You talk about belief, yet you reject what he plainly says and instead mimic the disciples who abandoned him. There are really two options here, given that your position on the Lord's Supper didn't even exist until the Protestant Reformation: 1. The Holy Spirit, who Jesus promised would lead the Church into all truth, divinely guided its unanimous consensus that John 6 contains clear and obvious sacramental instruction. 2. Jesus is a liar. You don't really have any other way about this. You condemn yourself here. Mark 9: 43-47 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Do you mutilate your self when you sin? Jesus just told you to do so. When Jesus touches a sinner they get saved, Addictions and bondages are broken. Sin's are forgiven and taken away, (you stop doing that thing) They walk away from the old life of sin, and into a new life with Christ, Born Again. If that happens when you eat Jesus, you would have told me so. Matt 4:4 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 1 Peter 2: 1-4 2 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, 2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Consume the "Word of God" all of it, If you are actually eating Jesus, others who wrote the NT would have mentioned that many times over, But none of the writters of the NT did. Your not eating Jesus. Have a nice weekend. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The first three "popes" are in the Bible actually and the Apostle Saint John was still living while Clement was the Bishop of Rome, the church in Corinth sent for help from him during this time and we have his letter back to them. 'Make haste to come before winter Eubulus and Pudens, and Linus and Claudia, and all the brethren, salute thee. ' - 2 Timothy 4:21 'And I entreat thee also, my sincere companion, help those women who have laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement and the rest of my fellow labourers, whose names are in the book of life. ' - Philippians 4:3 As to the primacy of Peter, the roots as it were. There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as “Peter and those who were with him” (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). Peter’s name occurs more in scripture than all the other Apostles combined, just an interesting fact. The keys to the kingdom (Matthew 16:18)(Isaiah 22). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). Peter brings in the fish in a net untorn (not in schism)(John 21:11). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48). "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles." - Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, 155 AD "For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: "Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!" Matthew 16:18 The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these:— Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius." - Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, 400 AD Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that.  I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Consume the "Word of God" all of it, If you are actually eating Jesus, others who wrote the NT would have mentioned that many times over, But none of the writters of the NT did. Your not eating Jesus. Have a nice weekend. lol. Only just Matthew, Mark, Luke…John and Paul, especially. No one except them. Oh and then pretty much every disciple of the apostles, and then their disciples, and the disciples after that. No one really. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that. I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The first three "popes" are in the Bible actually and the Apostle Saint John was still living while Clement was the Bishop of Rome, the church in Corinth sent for help from him during this time and we have his letter back to them. 'Make haste to come before winter Eubulus and Pudens, and Linus and Claudia, and all the brethren, salute thee. ' - 2 Timothy 4:21 'And I entreat thee also, my sincere companion, help those women who have laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement and the rest of my fellow labourers, whose names are in the book of life. ' - Philippians 4:3 As to the primacy of Peter, the roots as it were. There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as “Peter and those who were with him” (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). Peter’s name occurs more in scripture than all the other Apostles combined, just an interesting fact. The keys to the kingdom (Matthew 16:18)(Isaiah 22). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). Peter brings in the fish in a net untorn (not in schism)(John 21:11). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48). "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles." - Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, 155 AD "For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: "Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!" Matthew 16:18 The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these:— Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius." - Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, 400 AD Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that. I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend If I sufficiently answered your objections to the papacy and Catholicism it wouldn’t change anything for you; because it isn’t finding the truth that motivates you. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that. I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend Do you speak in tongues? What verifiable miracles has your church produced? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: lol. Only just Matthew, Mark, Luke…John and Paul, especially. No one except them. Oh and then pretty much every disciple of the apostles, and then their disciples, and the disciples after that. No one really. Oh lol, Other then what Jesus said, which the Gospel writers wrote down. Because Jesus is telling people he's the Messiah. Acts thru Revelation were written to teach what the Christian life is like and how to live it. Now show me Scripture where anyone said they are actually eating his flesh. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: If I sufficiently answered your objections to the papacy and Catholicism it wouldn’t change anything for you; because it isn’t finding the truth that motivates you. Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The first three "popes" are in the Bible actually and the Apostle Saint John was still living while Clement was the Bishop of Rome, the church in Corinth sent for help from him during this time and we have his letter back to them. 'Make haste to come before winter Eubulus and Pudens, and Linus and Claudia, and all the brethren, salute thee. ' - 2 Timothy 4:21 'And I entreat thee also, my sincere companion, help those women who have laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement and the rest of my fellow labourers, whose names are in the book of life. ' - Philippians 4:3 As to the primacy of Peter, the roots as it were. There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as “Peter and those who were with him” (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). Peter’s name occurs more in scripture than all the other Apostles combined, just an interesting fact. The keys to the kingdom (Matthew 16:18)(Isaiah 22). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). Peter brings in the fish in a net untorn (not in schism)(John 21:11). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48). "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles." - Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, 155 AD "For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: "Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!" Matthew 16:18 The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these:— Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius." - Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, 400 AD Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that. I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend If I sufficiently answered your objections to the papacy and Catholicism it wouldn’t change anything for you; because it isn’t finding the truth that motivates you. John 14: 6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus is the "Truth" not your church and the pope |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: John 14: 6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus is the "Truth" not your church and the pope Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: The first three "popes" are in the Bible actually and the Apostle Saint John was still living while Clement was the Bishop of Rome, the church in Corinth sent for help from him during this time and we have his letter back to them. 'Make haste to come before winter Eubulus and Pudens, and Linus and Claudia, and all the brethren, salute thee. ' - 2 Timothy 4:21 'And I entreat thee also, my sincere companion, help those women who have laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement and the rest of my fellow labourers, whose names are in the book of life. ' - Philippians 4:3 As to the primacy of Peter, the roots as it were. There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as “Peter and those who were with him” (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7). Peter’s name occurs more in scripture than all the other Apostles combined, just an interesting fact. The keys to the kingdom (Matthew 16:18)(Isaiah 22). It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). Peter brings in the fish in a net untorn (not in schism)(John 21:11). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48). "Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles." - Saint Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyon, 155 AD "For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: "Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it!" Matthew 16:18 The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these:— Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius." - Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, 400 AD Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that. I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend If I sufficiently answered your objections to the papacy and Catholicism it wouldn’t change anything for you; because it isn’t finding the truth that motivates you. John 14: 6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus is the "Truth" not your church and the pope What does scripture say about the church? And where is Jesus? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: Do you speak in tongues? What verifiable miracles has your church produced? Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that. I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend Do you speak in tongues? What verifiable miracles has your church produced? 1 Cor 6: 9-11 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Notice the word "Were" verse 11 The church at Cornith is what a church should look like. Full of people that were delivered out of thier lifes of sin, You guys would call the Church at Cornith , Unorganized. I'm not going to talk about other people who experienced similar. I'll talk about myself, I was much of the above. 10 Commandments, I broke them all, I did not actually commit the act of murder, but had enough anger in me to do it. Which is just as bad because sin starts in the heart. While drunk one night, and a S&W 357 on the table and wondering if I'm going to use it on myself, I asked God to help me. To keep this brief, I started reading the Bible, and the Holy Spirit thru God's Word spoke to me. The Words of Jesus leaped off the pages, and I had my revelation of who Jesus was, The Sod of God. The same revelation that Peter had, Matt 16: 16-17, Paul had on the road to Damascus, Ethiopian Eunech, Blind man in the temple. Others who since then "Believed" up to this day, and not in Scripture Changed my life and walked away from all the sin of my past, I have a new life in Christ. As far as healings, I used to have problems with my back causing extreme pain that I could not walk. Went to the altar one day at church and asked to be healed of this. No pain since then, that was about 20 yrs ago. Alcohol and nicotine, gone in a moment. Spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit are not something to brag about , I'll leave you guessing about that. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: 1 Cor 6: 9-11 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Notice the word "Were" verse 11 The church at Cornith is what a church should look like. Full of people that were delivered out of thier lifes of sin, You guys would call the Church at Cornith , Unorganized. I'm not going to talk about other people who experienced similar. I'll talk about myself, I was much of the above. 10 Commandments, I broke them all, I did not actually commit the act of murder, but had enough anger in me to do it. Which is just as bad because sin starts in the heart. While drunk one night, and a S&W 357 on the table and wondering if I'm going to use it on myself, I asked God to help me. To keep this brief, I started reading the Bible, and the Holy Spirit thru God's Word spoke to me. The Words of Jesus leaped off the pages, and I had my revelation of who Jesus was, The Sod of God. The same revelation that Peter had, Matt 16: 16-17, Paul had on the road to Damascus, Ethiopian Eunech, Blind man in the temple. Others who since then "Believed" up to this day, and not in Scripture Changed my life and walked away from all the sin of my past, I have a new life in Christ. As far as healings, I used to have problems with my back causing extreme pain that I could not walk. Went to the altar one day at church and asked to be healed of this. No pain since then, that was about 20 yrs ago. Alcohol and nicotine, gone in a moment. Spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit are not something to brag about , I'll leave you guessing about that. Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Your writing in things that are not there. The church started on the Day of Pentecost. Without posting all of Acts chapter 2, we learn that Peter and others were Baptised in the Holy Spirit. And we learn that Peter was a Blood Bought, Born Again Tongue talking Pentecostal Street Preacher who also performed many acts of healing. The Original Church is what today would be called Pentecostal, So todays church should be the same. Acts Chap 10: 25-26 25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. Acts 10: 44-48 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. If your pope is taken over Peters seat as you claim, he would do as Peter had done. Peter did not want anyone bowing to him, And Peter did not hand out the eucharist to Cornelius, Peter preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit came upon Cornelius and others and they spoke in other Tongues and praised God. I can imagine that if your Pope preached the Gospel and people started speaking in tongues. Wonder how you catholics would handle that. I already posted Scriptures from Acts and 1 Peter of Peter saying Jesus is the Rock of the Church, But you really don't seem to care what Peter said. Have a nice weekend Do you speak in tongues? What verifiable miracles has your church produced? 1 Cor 6: 9-11 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Notice the word "Were" verse 11 The church at Cornith is what a church should look like. Full of people that were delivered out of thier lifes of sin, You guys would call the Church at Cornith , Unorganized. I'm not going to talk about other people who experienced similar. I'll talk about myself, I was much of the above. 10 Commandments, I broke them all, I did not actually commit the act of murder, but had enough anger in me to do it. Which is just as bad because sin starts in the heart. While drunk one night, and a S&W 357 on the table and wondering if I'm going to use it on myself, I asked God to help me. To keep this brief, I started reading the Bible, and the Holy Spirit thru God's Word spoke to me. The Words of Jesus leaped off the pages, and I had my revelation of who Jesus was, The Sod of God. The same revelation that Peter had, Matt 16: 16-17, Paul had on the road to Damascus, Ethiopian Eunech, Blind man in the temple. Others who since then "Believed" up to this day, and not in Scripture Changed my life and walked away from all the sin of my past, I have a new life in Christ. As far as healings, I used to have problems with my back causing extreme pain that I could not walk. Went to the altar one day at church and asked to be healed of this. No pain since then, that was about 20 yrs ago. Alcohol and nicotine, gone in a moment. Spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit are not something to brag about , I'll leave you guessing about that. The Lord spoke to me. Romans 5:8 ...But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. @3xpert Thank you for your testimony! Mine, too, is similar, I had an encounter with the living God, and that when I called out to Him. Literally, I cried out "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" ... He rescued me! The Holy Spirit ministered to me in that very moment. I will never be the same. I've encountered God in a personal way many times since. I'm professing to you and everyone I can that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. We walk by faith, not by sight. My experience/ encounter is what Paul the Lord's Apostle preached: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, ... I can tell you the Holy Spirit was there! 1 John 5:6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. >The Holy Spirit is my witness< Jesus builds his church on this revelation. The revelation of who He is. Every born again believer and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. Bless you my brother! Romans 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit are not something to brag about , I'll leave you guessing about that. I’m not asking for you to brag about anything. I’m asking you if you think you ‘speak in tongues.’ Also, so I can get an answer, what verifiable miracles has your church produced? Are you some flavor of new-aged Pentecostal? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: Also, so I can get an answer, what verifiable miracles has your church produced? Some miracles actually do happen in those places. My friend's wife wouldn't say much, except that she's able to have children now. She's had four with a fifth on the way. They come into full Communion with the Bishop of Rome next week. |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Some miracles actually do happen in those places. My friend's wife wouldn't say much, except that she's able to have children now. She's had four with a fifth on the way. They come into full Communion with the Bishop of Rome next week. Private miracles are wonderful. Our God can touch the lives of anyone at any point of their faith, or lack there of, with his grace. I was asking about verifiable miracles his church produced. Some would call them signs and wonders. The Apostles/Church produced them. The Church has had them from the beginning. Visions of Christ seen by whole armies, Marian apparitions seen by tens of thousands, Eucharistic miracles that appear for no other reason than to reveal the true body of Christ. I already know the answer. His heterodox group hasn’t. There are no signs that his denomination is anything but disordered. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: A three minute video "Jordan B Peterson's Rude Answer to 'Spiritual but Not Religious'"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0wIDNI1jKgYou cannot be spiritual but not religious. You will always have content you believe and that content, if you beleive it, will organize your life and practice on the things it touches. This is not something you can get away from, any more than marxists can get away from the fact that they have to care enough about what others think such that they will work to give someone else waht they desire, so they (the marxist) can get enough money to eat and not be homeless. This is no different than the situation people who say 'no creed but Christ' find themselves in, when they tell you what they meant by 'Christ,' what they tell you? It's a creed. --------------- Instead of tilting at things that aren't even there or the cause of the problems you have, identify the real problems, and deal with them. Organized religion is not bad or wrong. People doing organized religion can and often do it wrong and there are bad consquences. Because we live in a corrupted world this means you'll never find the group to worship with that perfectly fits your *needs* let alone desires. Find a church that is run by people who believe Christ died for their sins and made them right with God, and that the bible is God's word and the truth and the standard that everything else is measured by. Without those two, no matter what else, the place is not a christian church. With them, you have a possible candidate. If you love God, you will want to make much of him to other humans and share doing that with others that have the same love. It will be a desire that never dies all the way out in you. We were meant to worship God and make much of him corporately, together. This is sort of like being a fan of a given thing. You'll want to join with others and talk about it and how it's cool and etc., and how much or how little you "make of it" is based on how valuable it is to you. By definition, there's nothing more valuable than God - and the group worshipping him should worship him as if that's true. IE if you think something is sober and weighty and important, you don't play a kazoo band to make music about it. |
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Originally Posted By brianm: Private miracles are wonderful. Our God can touch the lives of anyone at any point of their faith, or lack there of, with his grace. I was asking about verifiable miracles his church produced. Some would call them signs and wonders. The Apostles/Church produced them. The Church has had them from the beginning. Visions of Christ seen by whole armies, Marian apparitions seen by tens of thousands, Eucharistic miracles that appear for no other reason than to reveal the true body of Christ. I already know the answer. His heterodox group hasn’t. There are no signs that his denomination is anything but disordered. People hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and get saved out of their sin. That's a miracle, many also recieve some type of physical healing, I told you about my back, nicotine and alcohol. Do I need to tell you I saw Mary on the side of a building? |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: People hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and get saved out of their sin. That's a miracle, many also recieve some type of physical healing, I told you about my back, nicotine and alcohol. Do I need to tell you I saw Mary on the side of a building? I think you’re having trouble differentiating between supposed personal revelation and verifiable public miracles. I have no way of identifying your healing as occurring from a divine source and not just some sort of happy coincidence. Likewise I certainly can’t identify “quitting nicotine” as anything other than something even unbelievers do. If ten thousand saw Queen Mary and she perform miracles at the same time, and had recorded witnesses attesting to those signs and wonders, then yes. Your church has nothing like those divine signs pointing to His Church. |
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Is any of this really, truly, personal revelation from the Holy Spirit, or is it just something spread by modernist "gospel preachers" of the last 50-100 years? Truly a miracle or just something you are copying? The modern trend is choose what makes you "feels good." Pick a Bible quote you like, interpret it like you want, then string together a few more quotes to create your own version of a single page "mini bible" that reflects yourself instead of the true message that usually requires full passages, chapters, books, and historical context to really understand the full and true meaning. |
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Thinking about the thread discussion again this morning. I've gathered these key takeaways for you to remember and to consider. Jesus gives a direct personal invitation. The call is “Come to Me,” not “Join an organization.” Becoming a child of God happens by receiving and believing in Jesus personally. Salvation and relationship with God are a free gift received by faith, not earned or mediated by religious works, membership, or organizational affiliation. Acts 17:24-27 "...The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us." ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle *God is not confined to human temples or institutions. He is near to every individual who seeks Him. Seeking and finding God is a matter of wholehearted personal pursuit. Believers have direct access to God through Christ. True worship is in spirit and truth, not tied to a specific location, building, or organizational form. A genuine connection to God is available to any individual who comes to Jesus Christ in faith, receives Him, believes in His name, and seeks Him with all his heart. 'Organized religion' is neither the required pathway nor a substitute for this personal relationship. While the New Testament describes believers gathering as the church (the body of Christ), the foundational connection itself is direct and personal through Christ Himself. A truth to think about and meditate on: Peter 2:4-8 “And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood… For this is contained in Scripture: ‘Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone, And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.’ This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve, ‘The stone which the builders rejected, This became the very corner stone,’ and, ‘A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense’…” ~ Peter the Lord's Apostle Psalm 118:22 ...“The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone.” (quoted by Jesus and the apostles) Isaiah 28:16 ...Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, ‘Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed. Jesus as the chief cornerstone reinforces that the true, lasting connection to God is founded directly on Him personally, not on any human organization, institution, or “builders” of religion. In Scripture, the cornerstone is the critical foundational stone that determines the alignment, stability, and unity of an entire building. Believing in the cornerstone is what matters. The foundation is Jesus Himself, not an organization. The “building” (God’s household / spiritual house / holy temple) is constructed on Christ as the cornerstone. Believers are living stones joined to Him. The connection begins and is held together by personal faith in and coming to Jesus, not by joining a particular religious structure. Human “builders” (religious leaders and systems) often reject Him. The very people who claimed to represent God rejected the true cornerstone. Jesus and the apostles applied this directly to the religious authorities of their day (Matthew 21:42; Acts 4:11). This undercuts any claim that connection to God requires submission to an organized religious hierarchy that may itself reject or sideline Christ. He who believes in Him will not be disappointed (1 Peter 2:6). Personal trust in Jesus. Those who believe find Him precious; those who reject Him stumble. Organized religion is secondary and can become a stumbling block if it replaces or obscures this direct faith. The true temple is spiritual and made of people joined to Christ. It is not a physical building, denomination, or institutional system. Believers are being built together into a dwelling of God by the Spirit, through their individual (living stones) connection to the cornerstone. Pay attention here: Every born again believer and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ is the body of Christ. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: Is any of this really, truly, personal revelation from the Holy Spirit, or is it just something spread by modernist "gospel preachers" of the last 50-100 years? Truly a miracle or just something you are copying? The modern trend is choose what makes you "feels good." Pick a Bible quote you like, interpret it like you want, then string together a few more quotes to create your own version of a single page "mini bible" that reflects yourself instead of the true message that usually requires full passages, chapters, books, and historical context to really understand the full and true meaning. Yes, you can, have a real personal relationship with the living God. You can know Him. Jesus is the Word of God, He is Faithful and True. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Wait on Him in faith, listen to hear His voice. How do you receive anything from God? Don't you want to know Him for yourself? I believe you can have a personal testimony of who He is. Christ in you, the hope of glory. Love God love people, shine, shine His Light (Jesus is the Light of the world)  Maranatha |
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Where on earth did you get the idea that people have replaced a personal relationship with Jesus with a church, temple, etc., ? You bring this up constantly, but I don't recall anyone ever saying anything remotely like they are replacing a personal relationship with Jesus with these other things. Going to church is is part of getting closer to Jesus, not of replacing him with church. I just don't understand your reasoning. Those that DO NOT go to church are going to have a tougher time growing a personal relationship with Jesus. This "organization" people go to or join is where there hear and learn about Jesus so they can develop the personal relationship. Again, I do not understand your reasoning for rejecting going to the very place that preaches the Gospel to help bring people closer to God . |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: Where on earth did you get the idea that people have replaced a personal relationship with Jesus with a church, temple, etc., ? You bring this up constantly, but I don't recall anyone ever saying anything remotely like they are replacing a personal relationship with Jesus with these other things. Going to church is is part of getting closer to Jesus, not of replacing him with church. I just don't understand your reasoning. Those that DO NOT go to church are going to have a tougher time growing a personal relationship with Jesus. This "organization" people go to or join is where there hear and learn about Jesus so they can develop the personal relationship. Again, I do not understand your reasoning for rejecting going to the very place that preaches the Gospel to help bring people closer to God . I hear you. I'm planning on going to 'church' this morning. I'm looking forward to meeting with the assembly, the called out people. The body of Christ. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: Is any of this really, truly, personal revelation from the Holy Spirit, or is it just something spread by modernist "gospel preachers" of the last 50-100 years? Truly a miracle or just something you are copying? The modern trend is choose what makes you "feels good." Pick a Bible quote you like, interpret it like you want, then string together a few more quotes to create your own version of a single page "mini bible" that reflects yourself instead of the true message that usually requires full passages, chapters, books, and historical context to really understand the full and true meaning. 1Cor 2: 9-16 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. The Indwelling Gift of the Holy Spirit is not for a select few. Jesus died for all men. You to. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: 1Cor 2: 9-16 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. The Indwelling Gift of the Holy Spirit is not for a select few. Jesus died for all men. You to. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: I don't understand the reasoning for this post. I never said the Holy Spirit is for a select few. And you are just repeating a common teaching taught at church. "The Holy Spirit" are words that will be repeated multiple times this morning at church by everyone. Even as I enter through the door, "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." Then again in multiple prayers and responses. Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: Originally Posted By 3xpert: 1Cor 2: 9-16 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. The Indwelling Gift of the Holy Spirit is not for a select few. Jesus died for all men. You to. I get it/ hear exactly what you are saying. The Holy Spirit is a person. He indwells all believers. The Holy Spirit testifies to who Jesus is. He will be with you always! At home, in your car, on your job, and while you're sleeping (He doesn't need sleep). He comforts us and He empowers us to be witnesses for Jesus the Son of God. You can hear His voice. He speaks to us. Without Him you are lost. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: How can anyone view this and not experiance a deeper, closer personal relationship to Jesus. Because he Loves us he died on the cross for us. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/62632/001_jpg-3808506.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/62632/002_jpg-3808508.JPG Yes, beautiful. However that is not Christ on the that crucifix. That is a depiction for you to look at with your natural eyes and understanding. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. The reality is this: 'Christ in you, the hope of glory' We walk by faith, not by sight. Ephesians 2:5-6 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,... Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. I do not doubt you have faith in Christ. It is true He loves us and He died on the cross for us. 2 Peter 3:18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3:Yes, beautiful. However that is not Christ on the that crucifix. That is a depiction for you to look at with your natural eyes and understanding. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. The reality is this: 'Christ in you, the hope of glory' We walk by faith, not by sight. Ephesians 2:5-6 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,... Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. I do not doubt you have faith in Christ. 2 Peter 3:18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. You don't have to remind anyone the crucifix is a depiction. We all know. We know it shows the moment of his death. It shows the wounds, the marks of his suffering for us. It shows us His Love for us. One of the prayers I say at church: It's called, "Prayer before a Crucifix." Look down upon me, good and gentle Jesus while before Your face I humbly kneel and, with burning soul, pray and beseech You to fix deep in my heart lively sentiments of faith, hope, and charity; true contrition for my sins, and a firm purpose of amendment. While I contemplate, with great love and tender pity, Your five most precious wounds, pondering over them within me and calling to mind the words which David, Your prophet, said to You, my Jesus: "They have pierced My hands and My feet, they have numbered all My bones." Amen. I could go on and on. There are more, all intensify my personal relationship with Jesus. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: You don't have to remind anyone the crucifix is a depiction. We all know. We know it shows the moment of his death. It shows the wounds, the marks of his suffering for us. It shows us His Love for us. One of the prayers I say at church: It's called, "Prayer before a Crucifix." Look down upon me, good and gentle Jesus while before Your face I humbly kneel and, with burning soul, pray and beseech You to fix deep in my heart lively sentiments of faith, hope, and charity; true contrition for my sins, and a firm purpose of amendment. While I contemplate, with great love and tender pity, Your five most precious wounds, pondering over them within me and calling to mind the words which David, Your prophet, said to You, my Jesus: "They have pierced My hands and My feet, they have numbered all My bones." Amen. I could go on and on. There are more, all intensify my personal relationship with Jesus. Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: Originally Posted By Bishop3:Yes, beautiful. However that is not Christ on the that crucifix. That is a depiction for you to look at with your natural eyes and understanding. Jesus is seated at the right hand of God. The reality is this: 'Christ in you, the hope of glory' We walk by faith, not by sight. Ephesians 2:5-6 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,... Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. I do not doubt you have faith in Christ. 2 Peter 3:18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. You don't have to remind anyone the crucifix is a depiction. We all know. We know it shows the moment of his death. It shows the wounds, the marks of his suffering for us. It shows us His Love for us. One of the prayers I say at church: It's called, "Prayer before a Crucifix." Look down upon me, good and gentle Jesus while before Your face I humbly kneel and, with burning soul, pray and beseech You to fix deep in my heart lively sentiments of faith, hope, and charity; true contrition for my sins, and a firm purpose of amendment. While I contemplate, with great love and tender pity, Your five most precious wounds, pondering over them within me and calling to mind the words which David, Your prophet, said to You, my Jesus: "They have pierced My hands and My feet, they have numbered all My bones." Amen. I could go on and on. There are more, all intensify my personal relationship with Jesus. Yes, I hear you, and you said, '...experiance a deeper, closer personal relationship to Jesus' Likewise. That's what I desire and seek; to know Him. Ephesians 3:14-19 ... For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name, that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God. ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Colossians 1:27 ... to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle >God wants you to know Him.< God bless you, I'm now actually needing to get ready to meet up with other believers this morning. I am really looking forward for this opportunity. I love you guys. |
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This is one of the prayers I say before Communion: "Prayer Before Holy Communion" Come, O blessed Saviour, and nourish my soul with heavenly Food, the Food which contains every sweetness and every delight. Come, Bread of Angels, and satisfy the hunger of my soul. Come, glowing Furnace of Charity and enkindle in my heart the flame of divine love. Come, Light of the World, and enlighten the darkness of my mind. Come, King of Kings, and make me obedient to your holy will. Come, loving Saviour, and make me meek and humble. Come, Friend of the Sick, and heal the infirmities of my body and the weakness of my soul. Come, Good Shepherd, my God and my All, and take me to yourself. O most holy Mother, Mary Immaculate, prepare my heart to receive my Saviour. Then after: "Prayer after Holy Communion" Dear Lord, help me to remove from my mind every thought or opinion which You would not sanction, every feeling form my heart which You would not approve. Grant that I may spend the hours of the day gladly working with You according to Your will. Help me just for today and be with me in it. In the long hours of work, that I may not grow weary or slack in serving You. In conversations, that they may not be to me occasions of uncharitableness. In the day's worries and disappointments, that I may be patient with myself and with those around me. In moments of fatigue and illness, that I may be mindful of others rather than of myself. In temptations, that I may be generous and loyal, so that when the day is over I may lay it at Your feet, with its successes which are all Yours, and its failures which are all my own, and feel that life is real and peaceful, and blessed when spent with You as the Guest of my soul. Amen. Sometimes I say them a second time, a third, sometimes multiple times. Taking it all in. This is talking with Jesus. Wanting to do his will. It's part of my personal relationship with Jesus. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: This is one of the prayers I say before Communion: "Prayer Before Holy Communion" Come, O blessed Saviour, and nourish my soul with heavenly Food, the Food which contains every sweetness and every delight. Come, Bread of Angels, and satisfy the hunger of my soul. Come, glowing Furnace of Charity and enkindle in my heart the flame of divine love. Come, Light of the World, and enlighten the darkness of my mind. Come, King of Kings, and make me obedient to your holy will. Come, loving Saviour, and make me meek and humble. Come, Friend of the Sick, and heal the infirmities of my body and the weakness of my soul. Come, Good Shepherd, my God and my All, and take me to yourself. O most holy Mother, Mary Immaculate, prepare my heart to receive my Saviour. Then after: "Prayer after Holy Communion" Dear Lord, help me to remove from my mind every thought or opinion which You would not sanction, every feeling form my heart which You would not approve. Grant that I may spend the hours of the day gladly working with You according to Your will. Help me just for today and be with me in it. In the long hours of work, that I may not grow weary or slack in serving You. In conversations, that they may not be to me occasions of uncharitableness. In the day's worries and disappointments, that I may be patient with myself and with those around me. In moments of fatigue and illness, that I may be mindful of others rather than of myself. In temptations, that I may be generous and loyal, so that when the day is over I may lay it at Your feet, with its successes which are all Yours, and its failures which are all my own, and feel that life is real and peaceful, and blessed when spent with You as the Guest of my soul. Amen. Sometimes I say them a second time, a third, sometimes multiple times. Taking it all in. This is talking with Jesus. Wanting to do his will. It's part of my personal relationship with Jesus. I hear you. |
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Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: This is one of the prayers I say before Communion: "Prayer Before Holy Communion" Come, O blessed Saviour, and nourish my soul with heavenly Food, the Food which contains every sweetness and every delight. Come, Bread of Angels, and satisfy the hunger of my soul. Come, glowing Furnace of Charity and enkindle in my heart the flame of divine love. Come, Light of the World, and enlighten the darkness of my mind. Come, King of Kings, and make me obedient to your holy will. Come, loving Saviour, and make me meek and humble. Come, Friend of the Sick, and heal the infirmities of my body and the weakness of my soul. Come, Good Shepherd, my God and my All, and take me to yourself. O most holy Mother, Mary Immaculate, prepare my heart to receive my Saviour. Then after: "Prayer after Holy Communion" Dear Lord, help me to remove from my mind every thought or opinion which You would not sanction, every feeling form my heart which You would not approve. Grant that I may spend the hours of the day gladly working with You according to Your will. Help me just for today and be with me in it. In the long hours of work, that I may not grow weary or slack in serving You. In conversations, that they may not be to me occasions of uncharitableness. In the day's worries and disappointments, that I may be patient with myself and with those around me. In moments of fatigue and illness, that I may be mindful of others rather than of myself. In temptations, that I may be generous and loyal, so that when the day is over I may lay it at Your feet, with its successes which are all Yours, and its failures which are all my own, and feel that life is real and peaceful, and blessed when spent with You as the Guest of my soul. Amen. Sometimes I say them a second time, a third, sometimes multiple times. Taking it all in. This is talking with Jesus. Wanting to do his will. It's part of my personal relationship with Jesus. Originally Posted By TangoFoxtrot: This is one of the prayers I say before Communion: "Prayer Before Holy Communion" Come, O blessed Saviour, and nourish my soul with heavenly Food, the Food which contains every sweetness and every delight. Come, Bread of Angels, and satisfy the hunger of my soul. Come, glowing Furnace of Charity and enkindle in my heart the flame of divine love. Come, Light of the World, and enlighten the darkness of my mind. Come, King of Kings, and make me obedient to your holy will. Come, loving Saviour, and make me meek and humble. Come, Friend of the Sick, and heal the infirmities of my body and the weakness of my soul. Come, Good Shepherd, my God and my All, and take me to yourself. O most holy Mother, Mary Immaculate, prepare my heart to receive my Saviour. Then after: "Prayer after Holy Communion" Dear Lord, help me to remove from my mind every thought or opinion which You would not sanction, every feeling form my heart which You would not approve. Grant that I may spend the hours of the day gladly working with You according to Your will. Help me just for today and be with me in it. In the long hours of work, that I may not grow weary or slack in serving You. In conversations, that they may not be to me occasions of uncharitableness. In the day's worries and disappointments, that I may be patient with myself and with those around me. In moments of fatigue and illness, that I may be mindful of others rather than of myself. In temptations, that I may be generous and loyal, so that when the day is over I may lay it at Your feet, with its successes which are all Yours, and its failures which are all my own, and feel that life is real and peaceful, and blessed when spent with You as the Guest of my soul. Amen. Sometimes I say them a second time, a third, sometimes multiple times. Taking it all in. This is talking with Jesus. Wanting to do his will. It's part of my personal relationship with Jesus. Ours, for comparison, appear to be quite a bit different: We do not presume to come to this your table, O merciful Lord, trusting in our own righteousness, but in your abundant and great mercies. We are not worthy so much as to gather up the crumbs under your table; but you are the same Lord whose character is always to have mercy. Grant us, therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of your dear Son Jesus Christ, and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his body, and our souls washed through his most precious blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen. Almighty and everliving God, we thank you for feeding us, in these holy mysteries, with the spiritual food of the most precious Body and Blood of your Son our Savior Jesus Christ; and for assuring us, through this Sacrament, of your favor and goodness towards us: that we are true members of the mystical body of your Son, the blessed company of all faithful people; and are also heirs, through hope, of your everlasting kingdom. And we humbly ask you, heavenly Father, to assist us with your grace, that we may continue in that holy fellowship, and do all the good works that you have prepared for us to walk in; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with you and the Holy Spirit, be all honor and glory, now and for ever. Amen. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Not that you can't have one while also having intermediaries, but why then did God always use intermediaries? The only time God did not use intermediaries was the short span of time that Jesus was preaching, and setting up intermediaries... as an intermediary. Adam – The initial prophetic namer and intermediary for humanity. Enoch – Walked with God and prophesied of divine judgment. Noah – Intermediary who built the ark and a preacher of righteousness. Melchizedek – The ancient King-Priest of Salem who blessed Abraham. Abraham – The foundational patriarch explicitly designated by God as a prophet. Sarah – Patriarchal matriarch recognized in tradition for her divine revelation. Isaac – Patriarch who passed down the divine covenant blessings. Jacob – Patriarch who wrestled with God and prophesied over his twelve sons. Joseph – Intermediary who interpreted prophetic dreams to save nations. Moses – The preeminent old-covenant intermediary, lawgiver, and prophet. Aaron – Moses' spokesman and the foundational High Priest of Israel. Nadab & Abihu – Priests and sons of Aaron who offered unauthorized fire. Eleazar & Ithamar – Sons of Aaron who succeeded to the priesthood. Miriam – Sister of Moses and the first explicitly named prophetess. Phinehas – Zealous High Priest during the wilderness wandering and conquest. Joshua – Successor to Moses who acted as a prophetic leader and intermediary. Abishua, Bukki, & Uzzi – Sequential early High Priests during the era of the Judges. Deborah – Prophetess and Judge who led Israel to military victory. Eli – High Priest and Judge who raised Samuel at Shiloh. Elkanah – Father of Samuel, recognized in priestly and prophetic lineages. Hannah – Mother of Samuel who delivered a highly specific prophetic prayer. Samuel – The transitional final Judge, priest, and foundational monarchy prophet. Ahitub, Ahijah, & Ahimelech – Successive High Priests during the reign of King Saul. Gad – David's personal seer and advisor who recorded his reign. Nathan – Prophet who confronted David and relayed the Davidic Covenant. David – King of Israel, prolific prophetic psalmist, and covenant intermediary. Asaph, Heman, & Jeduthun – Priestly musicians appointed by David who prophesied with instruments. Abiathar – High Priest loyal to David who was later exiled by Solomon. Zadok – Faithful High Priest who anointed Solomon and established a lasting priestly line. Solomon – King, builder of the Temple, and recipient of direct prophetic wisdom. Ahimaaz & Azariah – High Priests serving during and immediately after Solomon’s reign. Ahijah the Shilonite – Prophet who predicted the tearing away of the ten northern tribes. Shemaiah – Prophet who prevented Rehoboam from waging war on Israel. Iddo – Seer who wrote chronicles concerning Jeroboam and Rehoboam. Azariah son of Oded – Prophet who motivated King Asa's religious reforms. Hanani – Seer who rebuked King Asa for relying on Syria. Jehu son of Hanani – Prophet who pronounced judgment on King Baasha. Elijah – Miracle-working northern prophet who confronted Ahab and the prophets of Baal. Micaiah son of Imlah – Prophet who predicted Ahab's death at Ramoth-gilead. Jehoiarib & Jehoshaphat – High Priests listed in the mid-monarchy eras. Elisha – Elijah's successor who requested a double portion of his prophetic spirit. Jahaziel – Levite priest who prophesied victory for King Jehoshaphat without fighting. Eliezer – Prophet who rebuked Jehoshaphat for allying with wicked King Ahaziah. Jehoiada – High Priest who orchestrated the overthrow of Athaliah and restored Joash. Zechariah son of Jehoiada – Priest and prophet stoned for rebuking King Joash. Pediah & Zedekiah – High Priests listed during the mid-to-late Judean kingdom. Obadiah – Prophet who wrote a vision predicting the absolute destruction of Edom. Joel – Prophet who warned Judah of the upcoming "Day of the Lord" via a locust plague. Jonah – Northern prophet sent by God to preach repentance to Nineveh. Amos – Judean shepherd called to preach social justice to northern Israel. Hosea – Prophet commanded to marry a prostitute to symbolize Israel’s unfaithfulness. Azariah II – High Priest who famously confronted King Uzziah for burning incense. Isaiah & Amoz – High-court prophet of Judah and his father. Micah – Rural prophet who predicted the exact birthplace of the Messiah. Oded – Northern prophet who convinced Israel to release captured Judean prisoners. Jotham, Uriah, & Azariah III – High Priests serving through the reigns of Ahaz and Hezekiah. Nahum – Prophet who wrote an oracle detailing the final fall of Nineveh. Huldah – Prophetess who validated the rediscovered Scroll of the Law for King Josiah. Zephaniah – Royal-blooded prophet who preached during the reforms of Josiah. Hoshaiah & Shallum – High Priests in the twilight years of Judah. Habakkuk – Prophet who questioned God regarding the choice of Babylon as an instrument of judgment. Urijah – Prophet executed by King Jehoiakim for echoing Jeremiah's warnings. Jeremiah – The "Weeping Prophet" who witnessed and warned of Jerusalem's fall. Neriah, Baruch, Seraiah, & Mahseiah – Priestly scribes and disciples of Jeremiah who recorded prophecy. Hilkiah – High Priest who discovered the Book of the Law in the Temple under Josiah. Seraiah – The final High Priest of the First Temple, executed by Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel – Statesman-prophet in Babylon who received expansive apocalyptic visions. Ezekiel – Priest and prophet exiled to Babylon who saw the glory of God depart and return. Joshua (Jeshua) son of Jozadak – The first High Priest of the rebuilt Second Temple. Haggai – Post-exilic prophet who urged the returning remnants to rebuild the Temple. Zechariah son of Iddo – Companion prophet to Haggai who saw structural and messianic visions. Ezra – Priestly scribe who led the second wave of exiles back and restored Torah study. Joiakim, Eliashib, Joiada, Johanan, & Jaddua – The chronological succession of post-exilic High Priests. Mordecai – Sage of the diaspora who acted as an intermediary for Jews in Persia. Malachi – The final Old Testament prophet who rebuked corrupt priests and promised a coming messenger. Zechariah – Priest of the division of Abijah and father of John the Baptist. Simeon – Righteous man in the Temple moved by the Holy Spirit to prophesy over infant Jesus. Anna – Elderly prophetess who stayed in the Temple worshipping and proclaiming the Messiah. John the Baptist – The bridge prophet who prepared the way for Jesus in the spirit of Elijah. Caiaphas – The ruling High Priest during the earthly ministry and crucifixion of Jesus. MARY JESUS CHRIST Peter Andrew James John Philip Bartholomew Thomas Matthew James Thaddaeus Judas Simon Matthias Paul Apostolic successors... Joseph Smith Brigham Young ……….. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. 
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Ours, for comparison, appear to be quite a bit different: Another option shown in the Roman Missal are two before Communion prayers, one of which"the Priest says quietly" before receiving. You can say them as well. "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, who, by the will of the Father and the work of the Holy Spirit, through your Death gave life to the world, free me by this, your most holy Body and Blood, from all my sins and from every evil; keep me always faithful to your commandments, and never let me be parted from you." and/or "May the receiving of your Body and Blood, Lord Jesus Christ, not bring me to judgment and condemnation, but through your loving mercy be for me protection in mind and body and a healing remedy." |
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I just found another: At the end of the Communion Rite, as the priest is abluting the chalice and paten, he prays: "What has passed our lips as food, O Lord, may we possess in purity of heart, that what has been given to us in time may be our healing for eternity." https://www.diobelle.org/our-bishop/writings/2000-prayers-for-holy-communion |