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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Do you call yourself a 'Christian'? What do you look like, do you look like Christ? 1 John 3:1-3 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. You're like an SJW activist trying to lecture WW2 veterans about who Nazis are. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Do you call yourself a 'Christian'? What do you look like, do you look like Christ? 1 John 3:1-3 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. Do you think you look like Christ? |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: No, the guy I quoted and his tag-team buddy, for the most part. They have a... reputation. Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Originally Posted By DADGAD: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:Rejecting and outright mocking His Church and His sacraments is quite an interesting way to choose to follow. No, the guy I quoted and his tag-team buddy, for the most part. They have a... reputation. @ DADGAD, I read your comments then your reference to Matthew 22:37-40. JESUS told us this again from Deuteronomy 4:29, Deuteronomy 6:5. We know by the WORD of GOD, unless man, a preacher, or a teacher is not loving like this and being filled with the Spirit of GOD, then anything else is vain religion. JESUS said we must be born again. Unless the WORD one is hearing or reading himself is not by the Spirit, and with the power thereof as told us in Hebrews 4:12, then growth will probably be stagnant. We must have ears to hear, eyes to see, and discernment. Stay seeking brothers. |
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Originally Posted By brianm: Do you think you look like Christ? Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Do you call yourself a 'Christian'? What do you look like, do you look like Christ? 1 John 3:1-3 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. Do you think you look like Christ? How do you purify yourself? Why would you need to if you think you look like Christ? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: How do you purify yourself? Why would you need to if you think you look like Christ? Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By Bishop3: Do you call yourself a 'Christian'? What do you look like, do you look like Christ? 1 John 3:1-3 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. Do you think you look like Christ? How do you purify yourself? Why would you need to if you think you look like Christ? I asked the question, 'Do you call yourself a 'Christian'?' 'what do you look like, do you look like Christ?' I want to be like Him. Naturally when I look in a mirror I only see a reflection. What do you see. Wouldn't you rather for someone else to call you a 'Christian' than make that claim for yourself? I think maybe too many claim a title instead of a towel. I belong to Him, I am his bondservant. Proverbs 27:19 As in water face reflects face, so the heart of man reflects the man. You are a supposed 'catholic' and don't know these things? I believe the the Word of God has the answer. Sincerely, I might suggest that you personally find the Truth in the Book and read the Scriptures in context for yourself. James 4:8 “Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.” He is Holy, we are to be holy like Him. Those who hope in Christ seek His face and keep their hands clean. 'Christ in you, the hope of glory' 2 Corinthians 7:1 “Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.” 1 Peter 1:22 “Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart...” For all believers who follow the Lord Jesus Christ: 1 John 1:7, 9 “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. ... If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Hebrews 9:14 “...how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.” Titus 2:14 Christ “gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.” Acts 15:9 God was “purifying their hearts by faith” (referring to Gentile believers). 1 Timothy 5:22 “...keep yourself pure.” James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion includes keeping “oneself unstained from the world.” Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is fire tried: he is a buckler to them that hope in him. Have a blessed day my friend! Maranatha |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: I asked the question, 'Do you call yourself a 'Christian'?' 'what do you look like, do you look like Christ?' I want to be like Him. Naturally when I look in a mirror I only see a reflection. What do you see. Wouldn't you rather for someone else to call you a 'Christian' than make that claim for yourself? I think maybe too many claim a title instead of a towel. I belong to Him, I am his bondservant. Proverbs 27:19 As in water face reflects face, so the heart of man reflects the man. You are a supposed 'catholic' and don't know these things? I believe the the Word of God has the answer. Sincerely, I might suggest that you personally find the Truth in the Book and read the Scriptures in context for yourself. Ok, so do you think you look like Christ? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: Ok, so do you think you look like Christ? Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By Bishop3: I asked the question, 'Do you call yourself a 'Christian'?' 'what do you look like, do you look like Christ?' I want to be like Him. Naturally when I look in a mirror I only see a reflection. What do you see. Wouldn't you rather for someone else to call you a 'Christian' than make that claim for yourself? I think maybe too many claim a title instead of a towel. I belong to Him, I am his bondservant. Proverbs 27:19 As in water face reflects face, so the heart of man reflects the man. You are a supposed 'catholic' and don't know these things? I believe the the Word of God has the answer. Sincerely, I might suggest that you personally find the Truth in the Book and read the Scriptures in context for yourself. Ok, so do you think you look like Christ? I can see two different reflections of men's hearts who come to this forum. I see some who seek to defend truth discerned and edify the body. And, those who sew discord. Just the plain obvious truth. JESUS said let those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Ezekiel 12:1-2 Matthew 13:1-23 |
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Originally Posted By 1cheapshot: I never understood the the ditching of “organized religion” for “disorganized religion” It's perfectly understandable. It's "freeing," and caters to that very urge that the "apple" did. Well, until you try to justify it scripturally. |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: I can see two different reflections of men's hearts who come to this forum. I see some who seek to defend truth and edify the body. And, those who sew discord. Just the plain obvious truth. JESUS said let those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Ezekiel 12:1-2 Matthew 13:1-23 Raider...do you think you look like Christ? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: Ok, so do you think you look like Christ? Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By Bishop3: I asked the question, 'Do you call yourself a 'Christian'?' 'what do you look like, do you look like Christ?' I want to be like Him. Naturally when I look in a mirror I only see a reflection. What do you see. Wouldn't you rather for someone else to call you a 'Christian' than make that claim for yourself? I think maybe too many claim a title instead of a towel. I belong to Him, I am his bondservant. Proverbs 27:19 As in water face reflects face, so the heart of man reflects the man. You are a supposed 'catholic' and don't know these things? I believe the the Word of God has the answer. Sincerely, I might suggest that you personally find the Truth in the Book and read the Scriptures in context for yourself. Ok, so do you think you look like Christ? John 14: 6-9 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Do you guy's actually think we are talking about what color hair and eyes Jesus had or how tall He was etc? If so, then your a Spiritual Rock, Dead, Dull heart of stone like those statues you talk to, And then you claim to be the church? No wonder why you have no relationship with God Psalm 115: 2-8 2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God? 3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. 4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. 5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: 6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: 7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. 8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: John 14: 6-9 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Do you guy's actually think we are talking about what color hair and eyes Jesus had or how tall He was etc? If so, then your a Spiritual Rock, Dead, Dull heart of stone like those statues you talk to, And then you claim to be the church? No wonder why you have no relationship with God Psalm 115: 2-8 2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God? 3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. 4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. 5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: 6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: 7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. 8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them. It's not my question, it's Bishop's question. I just asked it back on him, now others. It seems to be offending people. Maybe that was its original intent, idk. I assumed he didn't mean exact physical appearance, lol. Maybe I'm wrong, he did mention looking into a mirror in his semi-convoluted response.  Edit: Do you think you look like Christ? |
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Originally Posted By brianm: It's not my question, it's Bishop's question. I just asked it back on him, now others. It seems to be offending people. Maybe that was its original intent, idk. I assumed he didn't mean exact physical appearance, lol. Maybe I'm wrong, he did mention looking into a mirror in his semi-convoluted response. Edit: Do you think you look like Christ? Romans 8: 28-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. You become what you follow, He (The Father) will conform you to the Image of His Son, what is that Image? If your a Christian you should know, That Image is being made less sinless, and get sin out of your life. And before anyone starts their slander, I am not sinless perfection, however I am not the man I used to before before I came to Christ. No longer an alcoholic, and living a lifestyle of sin. 1 Peter 4: 1-3 4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: I can't post the whole NT but read what Peter said. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Romans 8: 28-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. You become what you follow, He (The Father) will conform you to the Image of His Son, what is that Image? If your a Christian you should know, That Image is being made less sinless, and get sin out of your life. And before anyone starts their slander, I am not sinless perfection, however I am not the man I used to before before I came to Christ. No longer an alcoholic, and living a lifestyle of sin. 1 Peter 4: 1-3 4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: I can't post the whole NT but read what Peter said. Oh, I agree with the blue highlight. It is both a process we are going through and an end result for those that endure to the end. Both an ongoing and future event. But would you say you look like Christ (present tense)? I'd say no, I'm a work in progress. I'm just trying to deduce the intent of asking this question while quoting our Anglican friend's post about Holy Communion. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Romans 8: 28-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. You become what you follow, He (The Father) will conform you to the Image of His Son, what is that Image? If your a Christian you should know, That Image is being made less sinless, and get sin out of your life. And before anyone starts their slander, I am not sinless perfection, however I am not the man I used to before before I came to Christ. No longer an alcoholic, and living a lifestyle of sin. 1 Peter 4: 1-3 4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: I can't post the whole NT but read what Peter said. Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By brianm: It's not my question, it's Bishop's question. I just asked it back on him, now others. It seems to be offending people. Maybe that was its original intent, idk. I assumed he didn't mean exact physical appearance, lol. Maybe I'm wrong, he did mention looking into a mirror in his semi-convoluted response. Edit: Do you think you look like Christ? Romans 8: 28-30 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. You become what you follow, He (The Father) will conform you to the Image of His Son, what is that Image? If your a Christian you should know, That Image is being made less sinless, and get sin out of your life. And before anyone starts their slander, I am not sinless perfection, however I am not the man I used to before before I came to Christ. No longer an alcoholic, and living a lifestyle of sin. 1 Peter 4: 1-3 4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: I can't post the whole NT but read what Peter said. Again I ask, why do you care what Paul or Peter has to day? Who are they to teach you anything? Who was Paul to the Romans? Why? Who was Peter to the former pagan Christians he wrote to? Why did they listen to him and preserve his letter? You reject the idea and role of the Church while continuously posting teachings from said Church which show early Christians taking said Church quite seriously. And, by doing so, seem to show you do as well. But, with you, there is some sort of inexplicable and unscriptural "cut-off." It couldn't have been Pentecost. Paul wasn't there. He was baptized and commissioned afterward. |
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We know the will of GOD is that we be conformed to the image of the LORD JESUS. Romans 8:29, I Corinthians 15:45-58. II Corinthians 3:17-18 Now the LORD is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the LORD, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD. How does a soul receive eyes to see and ears to hear and a new heart to discern? |
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Originally Posted By Raidersgone: We know the will of GOD is that we be conformed to the image of the LORD JESUS. Romans 8:29, I Corinthians 15:45-58. II Corinthians 3:17-18 Now the LORD is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the LORD is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the LORD, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD. How does a soul receive eyes to see and ears to hear and a new heart to discern? You must be born again too see the Kingdom of God. Born from above, born of His Spirit. The reality is this... John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. ~ John the Lord's Apostle The real you, is born from above. Now, everything you see with your natural eyes (in the natural) is passing away. We walk by faith, not by sight. >He makes all things new!< A new creation. I am a new creation in Christ Jesus. He is the Life. Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, ... ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle 1 John 4:13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. ~ John the Lord's Apostle John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” ~ Jesus 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal. ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Remember the Word of God. He is Faithful and True. 1 Peter 1:23 ... for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God. Jesus is the Seed. God keeps his promises. Maranatha |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Again I ask, why do you care what Paul or Peter has to day? Who are they to teach you anything? Who was Paul to the Romans? Why? Who was Peter to the former pagan Christians he wrote to? Why did they listen to him and preserve his letter? You reject the idea and role of the Church while continuously posting teachings from said Church which show early Christians taking said Church quite seriously. And, by doing so, seem to show you do as well. But, with you, there is some sort of inexplicable and unscriptural "cut-off." It couldn't have been Pentecost. Paul wasn't there. He was baptized and commissioned afterward. A "Christian" is not what church you joined and what you do when in church. A "Christian is what you are," how you live and act 24/7 when not in church. Born Again when God puts the Holy Spririt in your heart when you recieve Jesus Christ as your Saviour and repent of your sin. The writers of the New Testament lived the life that you should be living now, they are Apostles, teachers, etc. And are the example of living by the Holy Spirit. The first part of 1 Cor 12 is about Spiritual gifts that every believer should have, but not everyone is called to Ministry. 1 Cor 12: 27-31, 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Local churches have leadership, Pastors, Teachers, Deacons etc. But they are "called by God" for the purpose that God appointed them to, Notice there is no pope, nor did anyone who wrote the NT ever mention a pope. There is no such thing as a pope in Scripture. The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. Pope is not called by God but man made. Maybe you should read the NT for yourself, Now show me one thing out of the Book of Romans that would make me think it was written to what is now called the RC church. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: A "Christian" is not what church you joined and what you do when in church. A "Christian is what you are," how you live and act 24/7 when not in church. Born Again when God puts the Holy Spririt in your heart when you recieve Jesus Christ as your Saviour and repent of your sin. The writers of the New Testament lived the life that you should be living now, they are Apostles, teachers, etc. And are the example of living by the Holy Spirit. The first part of 1 Cor 12 is about Spiritual gifts that every believer should have, but not everyone is called to Ministry. 1 Cor 12: 27-31, 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Local churches have leadership, Pastors, Teachers, Deacons etc. But they are "called by God" for the purpose that God appointed them to, Notice there is no pope, nor did anyone who wrote the NT ever mention a pope. There is no such thing as a pope in Scripture. The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. Pope is not called by God but man made. Maybe you should read the NT for yourself, Now show me one thing out of the Book of Romans that would make me think it was written to what is now called the RC church. Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Again I ask, why do you care what Paul or Peter has to day? Who are they to teach you anything? Who was Paul to the Romans? Why? Who was Peter to the former pagan Christians he wrote to? Why did they listen to him and preserve his letter? You reject the idea and role of the Church while continuously posting teachings from said Church which show early Christians taking said Church quite seriously. And, by doing so, seem to show you do as well. But, with you, there is some sort of inexplicable and unscriptural "cut-off." It couldn't have been Pentecost. Paul wasn't there. He was baptized and commissioned afterward. A "Christian" is not what church you joined and what you do when in church. A "Christian is what you are," how you live and act 24/7 when not in church. Born Again when God puts the Holy Spririt in your heart when you recieve Jesus Christ as your Saviour and repent of your sin. The writers of the New Testament lived the life that you should be living now, they are Apostles, teachers, etc. And are the example of living by the Holy Spirit. The first part of 1 Cor 12 is about Spiritual gifts that every believer should have, but not everyone is called to Ministry. 1 Cor 12: 27-31, 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Local churches have leadership, Pastors, Teachers, Deacons etc. But they are "called by God" for the purpose that God appointed them to, Notice there is no pope, nor did anyone who wrote the NT ever mention a pope. There is no such thing as a pope in Scripture. The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. Pope is not called by God but man made. Maybe you should read the NT for yourself, Now show me one thing out of the Book of Romans that would make me think it was written to what is now called the RC church. You really do have an impressive way of posting so much and never addressing the topic at hand. I never said anything about a Pope. You eschew the idea of a centrally-organized organized Church while continuing to justify it by quoting the writings preserved by such a Church. The Corinthians and Romans didn't dismiss Paul as not worthy of teaching them, they saw him as an authority, so much an authority they preserved his letter as scripture. And that's saying a lot for the Corinthians. They would have had local Pastors. They did not tell him "the Holy Spirit tells us what we need to know, who do you think you are?" This basic topic has really nothing to do with any claims as to where said Church can be found today. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: You must be born again too see the Kingdom of God. Born from above, born of His Spirit. The reality is this... John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. ~ John the Lord's Apostle The real you, is born from above. Now, everything you see with your natural eyes (in the natural) is passing away. We walk by faith, not by sight. >He makes all things new!< A new creation. I am a new creation in Christ Jesus. He is the Life. Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, ... ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle 1 John 4:13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. ~ John the Lord's Apostle John 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” ~ Jesus 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal. ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Remember the Word of God. He is Faithful and True. 1 Peter 1:23 ... for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God. Jesus is the Seed. God keeps his promises. Maranatha Truth. I'm edified in reading the Word of GOD you posted. Just today in our fellowship Bible study we were focusing on 2 Corinthians 4:16-18. Also, 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 Now the LORD is that Spirit: Please read the rest of these two verses. I see you've been told John 6 is in the Bible also by the religious seemingly in opposition to your post above. I will say John 6 is summed up in verse 33. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: You really do have an impressive way of posting so much and never addressing the topic at hand. I never said anything about a Pope. You eschew the idea of a centrally-organized organized Church while continuing to justify it by quoting the writings preserved by such a Church. The Corinthians and Romans didn't dismiss Paul as not worthy of teaching them, they saw him as an authority, so much an authority they preserved his letter as scripture. And that's saying a lot for the Corinthians. They would have had local Pastors. They did not tell him "the Holy Spirit tells us what we need to know, who do you think you are?" This basic topic has really nothing to do with any claims as to where said Church can be found today. I have no idea what you are asking or what point your trying to make. Just one verse of many, Straight from the Lord. And your problem is you just don't beleive it. John 14: 17 and 26 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: I have no idea what you are asking or what point your trying to make. ... Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: You really do have an impressive way of posting so much and never addressing the topic at hand. I never said anything about a Pope. You eschew the idea of a centrally-organized organized Church while continuing to justify it by quoting the writings preserved by such a Church. The Corinthians and Romans didn't dismiss Paul as not worthy of teaching them, they saw him as an authority, so much an authority they preserved his letter as scripture. And that's saying a lot for the Corinthians. They would have had local Pastors. They did not tell him "the Holy Spirit tells us what we need to know, who do you think you are?" This basic topic has really nothing to do with any claims as to where said Church can be found today. I have no idea what you are asking or what point your trying to make. ... See? Every once in a while you make sense and I agree with you 100%. |
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Originally Posted By brianm: If you're saying Christ flesh doesn't defile us, I think we'd all agree. Originally Posted By brianm: Originally Posted By 3xpert: So is Mark chap 7, Where Jesus taked about eating things. If you're saying Christ flesh doesn't defile us, I think we'd all agree. I did not say anything, Jesus talked about how eating things do not enter the heart, |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: I did not say anything, Jesus talked about how eating things do not enter the heart, Those things can’t defile you. John 6 is not about things that defile you. Quite the opposite. The flesh Christ gives us to eat leads to eternal life. When you eat his flesh and blood, He remains in you. (John 6:54-56) Strange hermeneutics to link the two different thoughts in two different books and chapters together because of a cursory reference to eating. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: So is Mark chap 7, Where Jesus taked about eating things. In John 3, Jesus is speaking symbolically about being born again. When Nicodemus takes him literally, Jesus clarifies that he means being born of water and of the spirit. When the disciples take him literally in John 6, he doesn't clarify. He doubles down. Four times. |
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How does one find a connection to God without following an organized religion? 1 Timothy 2:3-5 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, ... ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle John 10:27-30 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” ~ Jesus >Jesus is who He says He is. Listen to Him.The risen Jesus identifies Himself as the living One --- alive forever.< Galatians 2:20 “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” The 'Christian' life is Christ Himself living in the believer by faith, not external performance. Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” He is the unchanging Person. John 14:6 “Jesus *said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.’” Access to God is through the Person of Jesus, not through a system of ceremonies. The New Testament repeatedly teaches that Old Testament ceremonial practices were shadows pointing to Christ; the reality is the Person Himself. Colossians 2:16-17 “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” Festivals, dietary rules, and ceremonial observances are shadows; the substance (the body/reality) is Christ Himself. Hebrews 10:1 “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.” Repeated ceremonial sacrifices could not perfect people; they pointed beyond themselves. John 4:23-24 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” True worship is not tied to a particular place, mountain, or set of external rites, but is spiritual and truthful --- centered on the reality of God. Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Salvation and relationship with God come as a gift received by faith, not as the result of religious works or ceremonies. Romans 3:28 “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.” Justification is by faith, apart from the works of the Law (which included its ceremonial aspects). I believe Jesus is a living person risen, present, and relational, not defined by the performance of rituals or ceremonies. Scripture presents the Old Testament ceremonies as shadows that pointed to Him; once He came and finished His work, the substance is Christ Himself. He calls us to worship the Father in spirit and truth, and He lives in those who believe. Rituals can have meaning as expressions of faith, but they are not who Jesus is. He is the living Lord we know by faith.” You, all who believe can know the risen Christ personally through faith and the Word. 'Christ in you the hope of glory' I called on the name of the Lord and He came and rescued me. Jesus is LORD. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Do you think God is to be found in a disorganized religion? Who is the author of chaos and anarchy? Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Bishop3: How does one find a connection to God without following an organized religion? Do you think God is to be found in a disorganized religion? Who is the author of chaos and anarchy? Look to Him. Jesus is our Peace. *Ephesians 2:14 "For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,..." He is the Prince of Peace. Here is the Old Testament pointing to the reality of the Person of Jesus Christ. He is the Way of peace. Isaiah 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Continued... Pay attention here: Ephesians 2:15-18 ...by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. Jesus is my Peace. 'Christ in you, the hope of glory' Maranatha |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Look to Him. Jesus is our Peace. *Ephesians 2:14 "For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,..." He is the Prince of Peace. Here is the Old Testament pointing to the reality of the Person of Jesus Christ. He is the Way of peace. Isaiah 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Continued... Pay attention here: Ephesians 2:15-18 ...by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. Jesus is my Peace. 'Christ in you, the hope of glory' Maranatha Originally Posted By Bishop3: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By Bishop3: How does one find a connection to God without following an organized religion? Do you think God is to be found in a disorganized religion? Who is the author of chaos and anarchy? Look to Him. Jesus is our Peace. *Ephesians 2:14 "For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,..." He is the Prince of Peace. Here is the Old Testament pointing to the reality of the Person of Jesus Christ. He is the Way of peace. Isaiah 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Continued... Pay attention here: Ephesians 2:15-18 ...by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. Jesus is my Peace. 'Christ in you, the hope of glory' Maranatha What does organized religion mean to you? |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: When did this happen? Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. When did this happen? You tell me when the pope showed up, but then I don't care. The NT are the oldest books of the early church, No one wrote about a pope. And anything we know about Peter, whether it's his 2 epistles or in Acts, he was not a pope. |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: In John 3, Jesus is speaking symbolically about being born again. When Nicodemus takes him literally, Jesus clarifies that he means being born of water and of the spirit. When the disciples take him literally in John 6, he doesn't clarify. He doubles down. Four times. Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: Originally Posted By 3xpert: So is Mark chap 7, Where Jesus taked about eating things. In John 3, Jesus is speaking symbolically about being born again. When Nicodemus takes him literally, Jesus clarifies that he means being born of water and of the spirit. When the disciples take him literally in John 6, he doesn't clarify. He doubles down. Four times. Jesus was talking to the Jewish leaders and Priests. They were required to eat the Passover Lamb and parts of the Animal Sacrifices they performed daily. Jesus was telling them that He was what those Sacrifices represented, the Messiah, So you think your actually eating the Sinless Flesh and Drinking His Sinless Blood. How does your sinfull flesh react to that? |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Jesus was talking to the Jewish leaders and Priests. Originally Posted By 3xpert: Jesus was talking to the Jewish leaders and Priests. There is no mention of any religious leaders being present. Originally Posted By 3xpert: They were required to eat the Passover Lamb and parts of the Animal Sacrifices they performed daily. Jesus was telling them that He was what those Sacrifices represented, the Messiah, The Old Testament comparison here is with manna and it takes place in verses 30-32. Originally Posted By 3xpert: So you think your actually eating the Sinless Flesh and Drinking His Sinless Blood. Obviously. Originally Posted By 3xpert: How does your sinfull flesh react to that? Well, we can see what he says in verses 53-57: Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. Your denial of these things is not at all surprising, as verse 60 perfectly illustrates. |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: How does one find a connection to God without following an organized religion? 1 Timothy 2:3-5 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, ... ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle John 10:27-30 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” ~ Jesus >Jesus is who He says He is. Listen to Him.The risen Jesus identifies Himself as the living One --- alive forever.< Galatians 2:20 “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.” The 'Christian' life is Christ Himself living in the believer by faith, not external performance. Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” He is the unchanging Person. John 14:6 “Jesus *said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.’” Access to God is through the Person of Jesus, not through a system of ceremonies. The New Testament repeatedly teaches that Old Testament ceremonial practices were shadows pointing to Christ; the reality is the Person Himself. Colossians 2:16-17 “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” Festivals, dietary rules, and ceremonial observances are shadows; the substance (the body/reality) is Christ Himself. Hebrews 10:1 “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near.” Repeated ceremonial sacrifices could not perfect people; they pointed beyond themselves. John 4:23-24 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” True worship is not tied to a particular place, mountain, or set of external rites, but is spiritual and truthful --- centered on the reality of God. Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Salvation and relationship with God come as a gift received by faith, not as the result of religious works or ceremonies. Romans 3:28 “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.” Justification is by faith, apart from the works of the Law (which included its ceremonial aspects). I believe Jesus is a living person risen, present, and relational, not defined by the performance of rituals or ceremonies. Scripture presents the Old Testament ceremonies as shadows that pointed to Him; once He came and finished His work, the substance is Christ Himself. He calls us to worship the Father in spirit and truth, and He lives in those who believe. Rituals can have meaning as expressions of faith, but they are not who Jesus is. He is the living Lord we know by faith.” You, all who believe can know the risen Christ personally through faith and the Word. 'Christ in you the hope of glory' I called on the name of the Lord and He came and rescued me. Jesus is LORD. Glory be to GOD for His amazing grace, tender mercies, and loving kindness that He has lavished upon us and whosoever will come! I called out to JESUS in repentance and He forgave me also of my sins and cleanses me. He gave His sinless body and His sinless blood "one time" for the only acceptable sacrifice atonement. It is finished! I urge all men and women to meditate on the scriptures posted in this forum by Bishop3 and 3xpert for you. The Holy WORD of GOD is Spirit and life. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: You tell me when the pope showed up, but then I don't care. The NT are the oldest books of the early church, No one wrote about a pope. And anything we know about Peter, whether it's his 2 epistles or in Acts, he was not a pope. Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. When did this happen? You tell me when the pope showed up, but then I don't care. The NT are the oldest books of the early church, No one wrote about a pope. And anything we know about Peter, whether it's his 2 epistles or in Acts, he was not a pope. You made the claim and have nothing to back it up? Did you just come up with it out of thin air or are you just wishing really hard. Any of you that reject organized religion, specifically that of the true God worshipped and defended by the Church Christ founded, are going to have to give up every book of the New Testament (except maybe the four Gospels); they are by their most basic identity authoritative letters of a functioning hierarchical Church, aside from Acts which is the earliest workings of said Church. |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: There is no mention of any religious leaders being present. The Old Testament comparison here is with manna and it takes place in verses 30-32. Obviously. Well, we can see what he says in verses 53-57: Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. Your denial of these things is not at all surprising, as verse 60 perfectly illustrates. Okay, it does not say that the Jewish leaders were there, However other Scriptures showed that they followed Jesus everywhere, But, Jesus was talking to Jews, who were taught from the OT and actually brought the animals to the temple to be Sacrificed. And also ate the Passover lamb. Jesus was what the Passover lamb and animal Sacrifices of the OT pointed to. Jesus gave His all on the Cross for the sin's of man. You don't eat the Holy Spirit, It's recieved by Belief and acceptance in the shed Blood of Jesus Christ on the Cross. |
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Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: You made the claim and have nothing to back it up? Did you just come up with it out of thin air or are you just wishing really hard. Any of you that reject organized religion, specifically that of the true God worshipped and defended by the Church Christ founded, are going to have to give up every book of the New Testament (except maybe the four Gospels); they are by their most basic identity authoritative letters of a functioning hierarchical Church, aside from Acts which is the earliest workings of said Church. Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. When did this happen? You tell me when the pope showed up, but then I don't care. The NT are the oldest books of the early church, No one wrote about a pope. And anything we know about Peter, whether it's his 2 epistles or in Acts, he was not a pope. You made the claim and have nothing to back it up? Did you just come up with it out of thin air or are you just wishing really hard. Any of you that reject organized religion, specifically that of the true God worshipped and defended by the Church Christ founded, are going to have to give up every book of the New Testament (except maybe the four Gospels); they are by their most basic identity authoritative letters of a functioning hierarchical Church, aside from Acts which is the earliest workings of said Church. Pope is not in the Bible. but you say he is, You prove it. Your the ones always making the claim that your "it" |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Pope is not in the Bible. but you say he is, You prove it. Your the ones always making the claim that your "it" Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. When did this happen? You tell me when the pope showed up, but then I don't care. The NT are the oldest books of the early church, No one wrote about a pope. And anything we know about Peter, whether it's his 2 epistles or in Acts, he was not a pope. You made the claim and have nothing to back it up? Did you just come up with it out of thin air or are you just wishing really hard. Any of you that reject organized religion, specifically that of the true God worshipped and defended by the Church Christ founded, are going to have to give up every book of the New Testament (except maybe the four Gospels); they are by their most basic identity authoritative letters of a functioning hierarchical Church, aside from Acts which is the earliest workings of said Church. Pope is not in the Bible. but you say he is, You prove it. Your the ones always making the claim that your "it" Do you mean "pope" the word or the bishop of Rome (pope the position) being the chief patriarch of the early Christian world? |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Pope is not in the Bible. but you say he is, You prove it. Your the ones always making the claim that your "it" Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: Originally Posted By 3xpert: The pope came around years later, cherry picked a verse and twisted it around to say Jesus made Peter the Rock of the church. When did this happen? You tell me when the pope showed up, but then I don't care. The NT are the oldest books of the early church, No one wrote about a pope. And anything we know about Peter, whether it's his 2 epistles or in Acts, he was not a pope. You made the claim and have nothing to back it up? Did you just come up with it out of thin air or are you just wishing really hard. Any of you that reject organized religion, specifically that of the true God worshipped and defended by the Church Christ founded, are going to have to give up every book of the New Testament (except maybe the four Gospels); they are by their most basic identity authoritative letters of a functioning hierarchical Church, aside from Acts which is the earliest workings of said Church. Pope is not in the Bible. but you say he is, You prove it. Your the ones always making the claim that your "it" This in't about the Papacy and your strawman caricature of it. We are just trying to get a fundamental base understanding of an organized church body here. You know, thread title and all. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: This in't about the Papacy and your strawman caricature of it. We are just trying to get a fundamental base understanding of an organized church body here. You know, thread title and all. You and your strawman, I don't understand what organized, unorganized means. I have a Pastor, along with other leadership, teachers, etc, So do a lot of other denominations, and Non-denominational churches. Does that mean they are un-organized or organized? If your under a false teaching, your not getting closer to God. Instead you will be led away in a different direction. And away from the Cross and into self works. Edit: A false teaching about God and His Word will lead you away from God. Ask Adam and Eve. |
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom: Do you mean "pope" the word or the bishop of Rome (pope the position) being the chief patriarch of the early Christian world? Get both, Jesus Christ is the Chief Cornerstone/Rock of the Church. Even Peter said so, Acts 4: 8-11, 1 Peter 2:6-8 Also Matt 21:42 Mark 12:10 Psalm 118:22 |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: You and your strawman, I don't understand what organized, unorganized means. I have a Pastor, along with other leadership, teachers, etc, So do a lot of other denominations, and Non-denominational churches. Does that mean they are un-organized or organized? If your under a false teaching, your not getting closer to God. Instead you will be led away in a different direction. And away from the Cross and into self works. Edit: A false teaching about God and His Word will lead you away from God. Ask Adam and Eve. Originally Posted By 3xpert: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: This in't about the Papacy and your strawman caricature of it. We are just trying to get a fundamental base understanding of an organized church body here. You know, thread title and all. You and your strawman, I don't understand what organized, unorganized means. I have a Pastor, along with other leadership, teachers, etc, So do a lot of other denominations, and Non-denominational churches. Does that mean they are un-organized or organized? If your under a false teaching, your not getting closer to God. Instead you will be led away in a different direction. And away from the Cross and into self works. Edit: A false teaching about God and His Word will lead you away from God. Ask Adam and Eve. You refuse to answer any direct question pointed at you, blast scriptural passages that in no way address the topic at hand, then blame everyone else for the lack of clarity. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: You refuse to answer any direct question pointed at you, blast scriptural passages that in no way address the topic at hand, then blame everyone else for the lack of clarity. What is your question? You make statements, then call every post responding to you a strawman, then say I am not answering questions? |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: You and your strawman, I don't understand what organized, unorganized means. I have a Pastor, along with other leadership, teachers, etc, So do a lot of other denominations, and Non-denominational churches. Does that mean they are un-organized or organized? If your under a false teaching, your not getting closer to God. Instead you will be led away in a different direction. And away from the Cross and into self works. Edit: A false teaching about God and His Word will lead you away from God. Ask Adam and Eve. How would you even know if Pastor Bob is leading you astray with novel interpretations? I imagine he's using his canon of scripture and his brain (not really, he's just using his denomination's traditions, but let's just play along) to come to theological position and then defend it. Pastor Jim from across town is using the same canon of scripture to come to a completely different theological postition. You can't say "whoever is following scripture." They both are insomuch as they're extracting an interpretation from it. So is your own preference the real arbiter in the matter? "I like what Pastor Bob is saying, not Pastor Jim." "I think it's more in line with what scripture really means." You have no mechanism to even know what a 'false teaching' is. |
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Originally Posted By 3xpert: Okay, it does not say that the Jewish leaders were there, However other Scriptures showed that they followed Jesus everywhere, Originally Posted By 3xpert: Okay, it does not say that the Jewish leaders were there, However other Scriptures showed that they followed Jesus everywhere, The religious leaders were not the focus even if they were there. Verse 66 states that "after this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him." Originally Posted By 3xpert: But, Jesus was talking to Jews, who were taught from the OT and actually brought the animals to the temple to be Sacrificed. And also ate the Passover lamb. Jesus was what the Passover lamb and animal Sacrifices of the OT pointed to. Jesus gave His all on the Cross for the sin's of man. 1. They were indeed Jews who were there for the Passover. 2. Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. 3. That is not what this chapter is about; the Old Testament typology in this case is the children of Israel and manna. Originally Posted By 3xpert: You don't eat the Holy Spirit, It's recieved by Belief and acceptance in the shed Blood of Jesus Christ on the Cross. You talk about belief, yet you reject what he plainly says and instead mimic the disciples who abandoned him. There are really two options here, given that your position on the Lord's Supper didn't even exist until the Protestant Reformation: 1. The Holy Spirit, who Jesus promised would lead the Church into all truth, divinely guided its unanimous consensus that John 6 contains clear and obvious sacramental instruction. 2. Jesus is a liar. You don't really have any other way about this. You condemn yourself here. |