Posted: 2/16/2009 12:04:18 PM EDT
| I am thinking of getting rid of my 24 valve Cummins, and there are some awesome deals on 04-07 Powerstroke. Why do they have such a crappy reputation? What problems did you run into? I heard they make a lot of power when you chip it. Help. |
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The 03's had lots of problems. Most were worked out towards the mid-end of '04. Besides the new block, it was a new transmission, new turbo technology etc... Turbos went out, head problems, transmission failures. 6.0 was production for 4 years, as a commentary on public perception of the engine.
I would look for a 7.3 or the 6.4 personnally, although the 6.4 is already changing I hear. Sequential turbos are being replaced with one turbo. The 6.4, as with all new diesels has so much overhead in terms of sensors, filters etc. Best information on the subject is on thedieselstop.com. |
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dont do it!!!! the 6.0's are a POS. an article in the diesel power mag mentioned there was over 200 recalls on that motor and power train combo while the dmax and cummins had less than 15 each.
there is a reason ford offered customers 5000$ cash back when you traded in your 6.0 on a new truck. |
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We have 2 6.0's in our fleet at work.....no problems to report I was thinking about this thread this afternoon and thought I should add that it really seems hit or miss with the 6.0L. I have driven one for work a few times back in '06 and, yes, they're fast and fun to drive. This was a gov't vehicle overseas in Germany and it could reach Autobahn speeds with total impunity. We must have had a good one like WildApple does. You might get a good truck, you might get shit - no real way of telling it seems beforehand. |
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Head gaskets and turbos. Don't forget it has an EGR too 
Why do you want to sell your 24v? I have a 2001 quad cab. When I get the wife and the 3 kids in there it is a tight fit. I was looking for a diesel with 4 fullsize doors. It seems the Fords are going the cheapest. I know they have had problems with 6.0 Powerstroke, just wanted to know if they got them fixed yet. Sounds like I should wait. |
| I haven't had any issues with mine. I love it. You may want to look on http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/ |
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Head gaskets and turbos. Don't forget it has an EGR too
Why do you want to sell your 24v? I have a 2001 quad cab. When I get the wife and the 3 kids in there it is a tight fit. I was looking for a diesel with 4 fullsize doors. It seems the Fords are going the cheapest. I know they have had problems with 6.0 Powerstroke, just wanted to know if they got them fixed yet. Sounds like I should wait. Yeah, that backseat is only good for the occasional nap or quick trip (I have an '01 also). |
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You have to pull the cab off to do any real work to the engine!  No you don't, it's just easier and faster than pulling the whole front clip. A good tech can get the front body off and have clear 360 degree access to the engine in about 2 hours. It is also possible to do head work without taking the body off or the front clip, but it also requires you remove some of the heating and cooling ducting in the firewall, not sure of all the details but it can be done. I have just over 43K miles on my PSD, got it with 4 miles on it Feb. 1, '06. Except for a temp sensor, it's pretty much been flawless. I've taken it across the country twice and have no qualms about taking it out in the sticks towing my Toy 4runner for ghost town, hot springs and jack rabbit hunting. The two main faults of the 6.0 is the head bolts and the EGR cooling system. They used 180ksi torque to yield bolts and with all the power and torque the motor is putting out, there aren't enough bolts nor are they strong enough tor prevent the head from lifting, hence the numerous blown head gaskets. People who "chip" their trucks didn't help the situation either. The fix here is to replace them with 220ksi studs. The fix for the EGR is an EGR delete kit, about $600 or so. Most people do both mods when doing them. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to get another 05-07 PSD, especially the 06-07 version. Good luck. Merlin |
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The turbos were made wrong and a easy fix. They take alot of abuse from people that don't know how to drive a diesel.
I think the EGR was the cause of most of the head problems. The EGR springs a leak and the head wil vapor lock and overheat and warp. Check the coolant often. My truck was drinking coolant. One day it let go puking white smoke. I told Ford to replace the EGR. They did and that fixed the truck for a while. The truck started drinking coolant again. Soooooo, either the head kills the EGR or the EGR kills the heads. It was a co. truck so I never found out the real problem. I don't work there anymore. They really didn't take care of thier trucks well. Is the truck owned by someone or is it on a lot. If it looks like its been well taken care of I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. Deos the owner seem cool or deos he go 4 wheelin'. Keep in mind the other diesels Dodge and Chevy have thier problems to. The 6.0 was way faster and nicer than the 7.3. I don't recommend trying to go fast though, that kills a truck. Good trans to. The 7.3 was more reliable but its tranny wasn't. 7.3 tranny needs a $2500 upgrade build. The 5 speed auto is pretty nice. The 6.0 gets nice mileage. Everyone was real hard on those trucks. I pulled 17,000 pounds with mine sometimes!!! I got away with it cause it was a tiny trailer. (steel) If the Trucks engine stays together and you don't lead foot, it'll be perfect. Would I buy a 6.0? Yes, if it looked like it was babied and driven properly, Yes, absolutly if it was brand new. No, if its a fleet truck. I'm convinced they'd hold up better with care. In a fleet of 8 we had my EGR coolant leak, and a Turbo go bad. That truck still worked fine just lost boost. So if you thrash a 6.0 you have a 1 in 4 chance of having problems. Not too bad. The new 6.4 or 6.8 whatever it is ,looks nice but I haven't played with one yet. P.S. I'm a Ford hater. But even I have to admit they have the best larger truck format by a landslide. Edited to add : DON'T CHIP IT!!!!!!!!!!! THE 6.0 HAS PLENTY OF POWER!!!! GET A SPORTS CAR FOR SPEED. TRUCKS ARE FOR WORK. TAKE PRIDE IN DRIVING LIKE A PRO, ITLL LAST IF YOU TAKE CARE OF HER. 400 HORSEPOWER AND 600 TORQUES GOING TO THE GROUND IS ALOT FOR A PICKUP. I'VE DRIVEN 500 HP 900 TORQUE DODGE AND ITS OVERRATED. TRUCKS ARE SLOW, LEAVE THEM THAT WAY. Then again if everyone chips a truck........I'd have alot more to wrench on. |
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There's a reason the 6.0's are cheap. I wouldn't touch one. Most seem to do alright when used as grocery getters, but any serious towing and forget about it. Like previous posters mentioned, they like to eat turbos and headgaskets. A good friend (and die-hard Ford guy) is on his 3rd. His '03 ate 4 turbo's in the first 40'k. He traded on an '04 and it ate the first turbo at 20'k later. He traded that on a new '06 and just recently a headgasket started to rear it's head.
ETA: to the OP, Is your current truck a 4x4 quadcab shortbox? if you do decide to sell your Dodge, I'm in the market. |
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The problem with the PSD is FORD
They took an engine from Navistar, wanted more than it could do, tweaked the software, ran the engine lean, which in turn causes high temps in the cylinders. if they woulda bumped the fuel pressure to 60-65 they would have virtually no problems. The engine is designed to run off of a minimum of 40 cetane, most fuel stations are well below that. cetane additive will bring up the heat and allow less carbon formations. |
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Most seem to do alright when used as grocery getters, but any serious towing and forget about it. It's normally the other way around. People who don't really load them up, drive 'em hard and work the trucks like hell, they're the ones that seem to run into the most problems. |
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Most seem to do alright when used as grocery getters, but any serious towing and forget about it. It's normally the other way around. People who don't really load them up, drive 'em hard and work the trucks like hell, they're the ones that seem to run into the most problems. I don't think you read my post right? |
but will pull anything that we want it to 