[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Just ordered a Tesla (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/26/2014 5:45:25 AM EDT
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I started following "redoubt" thread on his Chevy Volt and it led me begin considering an EV of some sort to replace my 2007 Sierra Denali . The Volt is very impressive; I checked one out at the local auto show and found it to be roomy enough for me (6'1", 185lbs) and the build quality was as good as any GM vehicle. Having owned 20 GM vehicles (15 of which were new, 4 trucks, 2 Corvettes and the remainder cars.), I lean toward GM so "redoubt"s reports are great.
My rationale may be different than a lot of folks but I have always had a feeling that time is as critical to the state of a mechanical device as is actual use. Miles on a vehicle are important but even a low mileage car that begins to age will start having problems with mechanical components. This is what led me to the Tesla, the Tesla has very few mechanical parts- no gas engine, no transmission, etc. Being retired my driving habits are far different from most. There are times when I don't start my truck for up to 3 weeks and going a week without use is not rare. When I do drive, it either is a very short trip of less than 10 miles ( a lot of wear is incurred in the start-up of a cold engine), the occasional 100 mile round trip to the big city and a few times a year a 600 mile plus. A Volt seemed to meet all my requirements. I had only 2 issues with the volt, the first was size, a car that size is not appealing to me for Interstate trips of long duration. The second problem is all that complicated mechanical equipment, if GM had engineered the Volt so as the engine never directly engaged the wheels via that transmission I might have leaned a little more toward it. -- also, I will have to say I have begun to be less satisfied with GM over the years, I just never found an alternative I liked. Traditional American car manufacturers have way too many "bean counters" to produce a truly great car. European car companies are over expensive to maintain- and most of them are not near as reliable as American cars. The Japanese make quality cars, especially the Toyota cars - their large trucks don't impress me. I drove the Tesla and it accelerates faster that any car I have ever driven are even rode in. The quality seems to on par with any car I have ever seen for under $100,000, maybe $200,000. Highway range is not an issue, considering all the Tesla Supercharging stations along with all the other potential charging points- unless you go to really remote locations. I will keep the Tesla in the garage and hope it last a very, very long time! PS: I tried to avoid saying any thing negative about the USA unions! |
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As a gearhead AND someone who wrenches on electric motors for a living I and envision a not too distant future where EVERY vehicle has at least one electric drive motor powering the wheels. And while the internal combustion engine may not go away any time soon I am confident axles, driveshafts and transmissions will go the way of the dodo |
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I really want a Tesla. They are fantastic cars. However, I don't really think a Tesla would be the right application for you. You won't be utilizing its money-savings that much based on your driving habits. You're right, it is not a real money saver for me. Right now I average about $210 per month for gas and oil. I would have to keep the Tesla a very, very long time. The Tesla is a step up in luxury from the truck. Also, I had begun to cringe every time I cranked up a 400 HP, almost 3 ton truck just to get a six-pack while not exceeding 35 mph. But, the long trips are comfortable and the truck held 3 or 4 people and their dive gear; the Tesla will do that. Also, while I am 67, and in excellent health, I look around and see a lot of people under 80 who can no longer drive. My father passed away at 82, and I took my mothers car away before she was 80, therefore the Tesla may be my last car. |
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They are amazing cars, I have heard one of the quietest and smoothest which is major consideration for me. I dont really care about speed anymore but have seen these smoking some exotics.
I see them hauling ass from Dallas to Houston all the time now. Without a doubt those guys have the extended battery pack. I also have no doubt that the capability exists for the time when/if fuel cells are viable the battery pack can be dropped and a fuel cell system put in its place. |
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I started following "redoubt" thread on his Chevy Volt and it led me begin considering an EV of some sort to replace my 2007 Sierra Denali . The Volt is very impressive; I checked one out at the local auto show and found it to be roomy enough for me (6'1", 185lbs) and the build quality was as good as any GM vehicle. Having owned 20 GM vehicles (15 of which were new, 4 trucks, 2 Corvettes and the remainder cars.), I lean toward GM so "redoubt"s reports are great. My rationale may be different than a lot of folks but I have always had a feeling that time is as critical to the state of a mechanical device as is actual use. Miles on a vehicle are important but even a low mileage car that begins to age will start having problems with mechanical components. This is what led me to the Tesla, the Tesla has very few mechanical parts- no gas engine, no transmission, etc. Being retired my driving habits are far different from most. There are times when I don't start my truck for up to 3 weeks and going a week without use is not rare. When I do drive, it either is a very short trip of less than 10 miles ( a lot of wear is incurred in the start-up of a cold engine), the occasional 100 mile round trip to the big city and a few times a year a 600 mile plus. A Volt seemed to meet all my requirements. I had only 2 issues with the volt, the first was size, a car that size is not appealing to me for Interstate trips of long duration. The second problem is all that complicated mechanical equipment, if GM had engineered the Volt so as the engine never directly engaged the wheels via that transmission I might have leaned a little more toward it. -- also, I will have to say I have begun to be less satisfied with GM over the years, I just never found an alternative I liked. Traditional American car manufacturers have way too many "bean counters" to produce a truly great car. European car companies are over expensive to maintain- and most of them are not near as reliable as American cars. The Japanese make quality cars, especially the Toyota cars - their large trucks don't impress me. I drove the Tesla and it accelerates faster that any car I have ever driven are even rode in. The quality seems to on par with any car I have ever seen for under $100,000, maybe $200,000. Highway range is not an issue, considering all the Tesla Supercharging stations along with all the other potential charging points- unless you go to really remote locations. I will keep the Tesla in the garage and hope it last a very, very long time! PS: I tried to avoid saying any thing negative about the USA unions! Battery degradation doesn't concern you? |
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I started following "redoubt" thread on his Chevy Volt and it led me begin considering an EV of some sort to replace my 2007 Sierra Denali . The Volt is very impressive; I checked one out at the local auto show and found it to be roomy enough for me (6'1", 185lbs) and the build quality was as good as any GM vehicle. Having owned 20 GM vehicles (15 of which were new, 4 trucks, 2 Corvettes and the remainder cars.), I lean toward GM so "redoubt"s reports are great. My rationale may be different than a lot of folks but I have always had a feeling that time is as critical to the state of a mechanical device as is actual use. Miles on a vehicle are important but even a low mileage car that begins to age will start having problems with mechanical components. This is what led me to the Tesla, the Tesla has very few mechanical parts- no gas engine, no transmission, etc. Being retired my driving habits are far different from most. There are times when I don't start my truck for up to 3 weeks and going a week without use is not rare. When I do drive, it either is a very short trip of less than 10 miles ( a lot of wear is incurred in the start-up of a cold engine), the occasional 100 mile round trip to the big city and a few times a year a 600 mile plus. A Volt seemed to meet all my requirements. I had only 2 issues with the volt, the first was size, a car that size is not appealing to me for Interstate trips of long duration. The second problem is all that complicated mechanical equipment, if GM had engineered the Volt so as the engine never directly engaged the wheels via that transmission I might have leaned a little more toward it. -- also, I will have to say I have begun to be less satisfied with GM over the years, I just never found an alternative I liked. Traditional American car manufacturers have way too many "bean counters" to produce a truly great car. European car companies are over expensive to maintain- and most of them are not near as reliable as American cars. The Japanese make quality cars, especially the Toyota cars - their large trucks don't impress me. I drove the Tesla and it accelerates faster that any car I have ever driven are even rode in. The quality seems to on par with any car I have ever seen for under $100,000, maybe $200,000. Highway range is not an issue, considering all the Tesla Supercharging stations along with all the other potential charging points- unless you go to really remote locations. I will keep the Tesla in the garage and hope it last a very, very long time! PS: I tried to avoid saying any thing negative about the USA unions! Battery degradation doesn't concern you? Yes, that is a concern. Tesla does have an eight year battery warranty- if the battery capacity drops below 70% in that 8 years they will replace it. In the next 8 years battery technology should improve greatly and and production will increase bringing the cost of batteries down. Tesla is already building a new plant to built batteries. |
| I'm interested. The "hybrid" stuff I rarely see doesn't seem to work well enough for me. Its more of a feel good measure than an actual improvement. You lose a lot of compromise by going full electric versus a hybrid vehicle. Unfortunately you also lose the ability to just pump more gas and keep going. But there are rental car places everywhere.... |
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How long until you have it? Probably thirty days. Pictures or we don't believe you It is scheduled for late May. They verbally told me 2 to 3 months. That gives me time too clean out the garage ( I've been meaning to do that for a dozen years or so) and install a 14-50 plug. -The crew cab truck is too long for the garage. |
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I'm interested. The "hybrid" stuff I rarely see doesn't seem to work well enough for me. Its more of a feel good measure than an actual improvement. You lose a lot of compromise by going full electric versus a hybrid vehicle. Unfortunately you also lose the ability to just pump more gas and keep going. But there are rental car places everywhere.... The range on the model I chose is rated to be 265 miles. The Tesla Supercharger stations will recharge for 170 miles in 30 minutes. 30 minutes at home @ 40 amps 240 volts gets 14 miles. Public 30 amp changing stations will give 10 miles. If you visit the Tesla website they have a map of the current and future charging stations. http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger |
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It hasn't been published. I have not found an instance of an owner having had to pay for a replacement. Tesla has been known to replace one under warranty. Quoted:
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What is the cost of battery replacement? It hasn't been published. I have not found an instance of an owner having had to pay for a replacement. Tesla has been known to replace one under warranty. 12k for your version (85 kWh) http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/2013-model-s-price-increase Quoted:
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What is the cost of battery replacement? Probably less than the cost of an Engine replacement in a similar car, except you will have the money from not buying arab go juice banked. Tesla warranties the battery for eight years. I can't think of many replacement engines that cost 12k. |
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12k for your version (85 kWh) http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/2013-model-s-price-increase I can't think of many replacement engines that cost 12k. Quoted:
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What is the cost of battery replacement? It hasn't been published. I have not found an instance of an owner having had to pay for a replacement. Tesla has been known to replace one under warranty. 12k for your version (85 kWh) http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/2013-model-s-price-increase Quoted:
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What is the cost of battery replacement? Probably less than the cost of an Engine replacement in a similar car, except you will have the money from not buying arab go juice banked. Tesla warranties the battery for eight years. I can't think of many replacement engines that cost 12k. How about the one that comes in a Cadillac CTS-V ? That's a good comparison since the Tesla is only a little quicker from 0-60 than a CTS-V ETA: Looks like I'm wrong, a replacement engine for a CTS-V is only $11,435.- from JEGS (uninstalled) |
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12k for your version (85 kWh) http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/2013-model-s-price-increase I can't think of many replacement engines that cost 12k. Quoted:
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What is the cost of battery replacement? It hasn't been published. I have not found an instance of an owner having had to pay for a replacement. Tesla has been known to replace one under warranty. 12k for your version (85 kWh) http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/2013-model-s-price-increase Quoted:
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What is the cost of battery replacement? Probably less than the cost of an Engine replacement in a similar car, except you will have the money from not buying arab go juice banked. Tesla warranties the battery for eight years. I can't think of many replacement engines that cost 12k. Thanks for the link I had not seen that. Also, the battery can be replaced fairly easily, Tesla even have a video of a machine swapping it out in just a few minutes. http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap PS: I think they are not pursuing the swap option at Superstations. |
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. 
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What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. Quoted:
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. Damn dude relax. Don't give yourself a coronary. DIfferent people have different priorities in vehicles, and also have different uses for their money. Post pics when you get it, while I would never buy the vehicle I would like to see how it looks in your driveway. 
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What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. Quoted:
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. Who cares what other people drive. I think jacked up trucks and harleys are the stupidest things on the road but I don't go into those threads and shit on them. Grow up dude. |
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Who cares what other people drive. I think jacked up trucks and harleys are the stupidest things on the road but I don't go into those threads and shit on them. Grow up dude. Quoted:
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. Who cares what other people drive. I think jacked up trucks and harleys are the stupidest things on the road but I don't go into those threads and shit on them. Grow up dude. 
I agree with you on both jacked up trucks and Harleys. Besides I didnt go to teslaowners.com and start bitching, OP posted here and I gave my opinion. |
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What type of maintenance do these cars require?
-If there is no delaer network, where do you take your car for warranty service or regular maintenance? How about parts? Also, how many cars can a charging station accomodate? - who pays to power the charging station? - is it Tesla? - if so, how long can they continue to do this without it costing them a lot of money? |
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What type of maintenance do these cars require? -If there is no delaer network, where do you take your car for warranty service or regular maintenance? How about parts? Also, how many cars can a charging station accomodate? - who pays to power the charging station? - is it Tesla? - if so, how long can they continue to do this without it costing them a lot of money? Tesla will come to you for $100, and they have maintenance plans that eliminate that cost. The routine maintenance required is windshield wiper blades and brake pads ( brake pads should wear less than other cars due to regenative braking). The number of vehicles accommodated varies at the Supercharger stations. I visited the station in St. Augustine FL, I believe it had either 4 or 5 cars. Tesla pays the bills for the stations. There is no announced changes to cost to vehicle owners. PS: I did not vote for Obama, I'm a Life NRA member and a veteran. I'm not some sort of Eco-nut, I'm just buying a very nice car that fits my desires and needs. The Tesla Model S I drove handles better and is quicker than the Corvettes I have owned or driven. I'm am not wealthy, I am a retired middle manager that saved and invested most of my working life. |
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Quoted: Tesla will come to you for $100, and they have maintenance plans that eliminate that cost. The routine maintenance required is windshield wiper blades and brake pads ( brake pads should wear less than other cars due to regenative braking). The number of vehicles accommodated varies at the Supercharger stations. I visited the station in St. Augustine FL, I believe it had either 4 or 5 cars. Tesla pays the bills for the stations. There is no announced changes to cost to vehicle owners. PS: I did not vote for Obama, I'm a Life NRA member and a veteran. I'm not some sort of Eco-nut, I'm just buying a very nice car that fits my desires and needs. The Tesla Model S I drove handles better and is quicker than the Corvettes I have owned or driven. I'm am not wealthy, I am a retired middle manager that saved and invested most of my working life. Quoted: Quoted: What type of maintenance do these cars require? -If there is no delaer network, where do you take your car for warranty service or regular maintenance? How about parts? Also, how many cars can a charging station accomodate? - who pays to power the charging station? - is it Tesla? - if so, how long can they continue to do this without it costing them a lot of money? Tesla will come to you for $100, and they have maintenance plans that eliminate that cost. The routine maintenance required is windshield wiper blades and brake pads ( brake pads should wear less than other cars due to regenative braking). The number of vehicles accommodated varies at the Supercharger stations. I visited the station in St. Augustine FL, I believe it had either 4 or 5 cars. Tesla pays the bills for the stations. There is no announced changes to cost to vehicle owners. PS: I did not vote for Obama, I'm a Life NRA member and a veteran. I'm not some sort of Eco-nut, I'm just buying a very nice car that fits my desires and needs. The Tesla Model S I drove handles better and is quicker than the Corvettes I have owned or driven. I'm am not wealthy, I am a retired middle manager that saved and invested most of my working life. The issue people take is-not/should-not-be with you for being a customer, but with the entire economics behind the vehicle. If you are comfortable 'paying forward' $42,000-38,000 worth of potential gasoline usage (by paying $60-something-K for what would be an $22,000-18,000 vehicle if it were gas-powered - that's enough to drive ~350,000 miles at 35mpg) to own an electric vehicle, that is your free market choice. The political beef people have, is that Tesla would not be able to produce that vehicle at the price point they are, if the government were not paying for it. So you would have to pay-forward probably an additional 20k *more* for your electric car. |
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Quoted: What type of maintenance do these cars require? -If there is no delaer network, where do you take your car for warranty service or regular maintenance? How about parts? Also, how many cars can a charging station accomodate? - who pays to power the charging station? - is it Tesla? - if so, how long can they continue to do this without it costing them a lot of money? Tesla's business model is built on government subsidies & the fact that they are selling at a premium price, to premium buyers. It's a luxury product, with all the business aspects that entails. They have enough profit (after the federal and state subsidies) built in to cover their charging stations, personal support, etc... It's a sedan - functionally equivalent to a Camry or Accord - for $60k. Do the math... |
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What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. Quoted:
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. No offense but you're clueless if you think they will be an afterthought in 10 years. Electric vehicles are here to stay, they will only get cheaper, and actually... Tesla plans to offer a 35,000 dollar tesla within 3-4 years. If you're a gear head and like cars and things that go fast you should LOVE electric cars. Electric cars surpass gasoline in terms of performance in EVERY way except range, and that will improve quickly. The main problem right now is charging or battery swaps. |
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No offense but you're clueless if you think they will be an afterthought in 10 years. Electric vehicles are here to stay, they will only get cheaper, and actually... Tesla plans to offer a 35,000 dollar tesla within 3-4 years. If you're a gear head and like cars and things that go fast you should LOVE electric cars. Electric cars surpass gasoline in terms of performance in EVERY way except range, and that will improve quickly. The main problem right now is charging or battery swaps. Quoted:
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. No offense but you're clueless if you think they will be an afterthought in 10 years. Electric vehicles are here to stay, they will only get cheaper, and actually... Tesla plans to offer a 35,000 dollar tesla within 3-4 years. If you're a gear head and like cars and things that go fast you should LOVE electric cars. Electric cars surpass gasoline in terms of performance in EVERY way except range, and that will improve quickly. The main problem right now is charging or battery swaps. I think battery, and fuel cell cars will be the future of cars and trucks. With Tesla, I will miss the sound of that 6.2L 403hp engine, I use remote start- a lot! It has a sound any gearhead would love! |
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A gas vehicle getting 30 mpg driven 15k miles per year will cost about 14k in gas in 8 years at 3.50 per gallon.
Thats more than the supposed cost of the battery but then factor in double the cost of the car vs. say a honda accord or camry etc. Very cool cars but they need to work down battery costs and efficiency. |
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No offense but you're clueless if you think they will be an afterthought in 10 years. Electric vehicles are here to stay, they will only get cheaper, and actually... Tesla plans to offer a 35,000 dollar tesla within 3-4 years. If you're a gear head and like cars and things that go fast you should LOVE electric cars. Electric cars surpass gasoline in terms of performance in EVERY way except range, and that will improve quickly. The main problem right now is charging or battery swaps. Quoted:
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. No offense but you're clueless if you think they will be an afterthought in 10 years. Electric vehicles are here to stay, they will only get cheaper, and actually... Tesla plans to offer a 35,000 dollar tesla within 3-4 years. If you're a gear head and like cars and things that go fast you should LOVE electric cars. Electric cars surpass gasoline in terms of performance in EVERY way except range, and that will improve quickly. The main problem right now is charging or battery swaps. Lol. Youre the clueless one. As mentioned above, Tesla is one of Obama's pets. Left to stand on its own, it would die a gruesome financial death. Rich liberals willing to pay $70K for the functional equivalent of a Camry (as someone upthread said) only make up a sliver of the market. Tesla will shoot its load and the Ed Bagley Jr. crowd will move on to the next 'in' thing. Gas motors will still be the vast majority of powerplants on the road in 10 years and Tesla will go the road of Daewoo. |
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A gas vehicle getting 30 mpg driven 15k miles per year will cost about 14k in gas in 8 years at 3.50 per gallon. Thats more than the supposed cost of the battery but then factor in double the cost of the car vs. say a honda accord or camry etc. Very cool cars but they need to work down battery costs and efficiency. You make a valid point, except the Tesla is not a Camry or Accord. You need to compare the Tesla to a BMW 8 Series or Mercedes. Also, check out the cost of maintenance on the German cars- over 8 years of use most owners spend far more than than $12,000 on repairs. |
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You make a valid point, except the Tesla is not a Camry or Accord. You need to compare the Tesla to a BMW 8 Series or Mercedes. Also, check out the cost of maintenance on the German cars- over 8 years of use most owners spend far more than than $12,000 on repairs. Quoted:
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A gas vehicle getting 30 mpg driven 15k miles per year will cost about 14k in gas in 8 years at 3.50 per gallon. Thats more than the supposed cost of the battery but then factor in double the cost of the car vs. say a honda accord or camry etc. Very cool cars but they need to work down battery costs and efficiency. You make a valid point, except the Tesla is not a Camry or Accord. You need to compare the Tesla to a BMW 8 Series or Mercedes. Also, check out the cost of maintenance on the German cars- over 8 years of use most owners spend far more than than $12,000 on repairs. No offense to you, Man and I sincerely hope your car works out for you exactly the way you hoped. But I cant imagine any type of scenario where I had $70K to spend for a car where I would pick a Tesla over a BMW. |
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No offense to you, Man and I sincerely hope your car works out for you exactly the way you hoped. But I cant imagine any type of scenario where I had $70K to spend for a car where I would pick a Tesla over a BMW. Quoted:
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A gas vehicle getting 30 mpg driven 15k miles per year will cost about 14k in gas in 8 years at 3.50 per gallon. Thats more than the supposed cost of the battery but then factor in double the cost of the car vs. say a honda accord or camry etc. Very cool cars but they need to work down battery costs and efficiency. You make a valid point, except the Tesla is not a Camry or Accord. You need to compare the Tesla to a BMW 8 Series or Mercedes. Also, check out the cost of maintenance on the German cars- over 8 years of use most owners spend far more than than $12,000 on repairs. No offense to you, Man and I sincerely hope your car works out for you exactly the way you hoped. But I cant imagine any type of scenario where I had $70K to spend for a car where I would pick a Tesla over a BMW. No offense taken. BMW's are great cars I've driven a 3 series (former GF's car) quite a bit and a 5 series a few times. If you will read my original post you will see where it doesn't make sense- at least to me- to crank that ICE cold just to make less than a 15 mile round trip- the thermostat would not even have time to open up. We all have different views and needs at different time in out lives. At one time in my life I don't think I ever started any of my vehicles to go less than 40 miles. During that time it also took 3 vehicle to serve all my perceived needs. I had a truck, a Corvette and a Camaro, all relativity new, and all manual at the same time, and I was single then. Needs and desires change! |
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What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. Quoted:
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So this is a coming out thread? Cuz its gay to be excited about something that's essentially raw instantaneous torque, What the fuck ever. You should come to NoVa and see the pretentious liberals driving these turds around. At least half of Tesla owners up here must be gay. Besides who gives a shit if a sewing machine can accelerate violently off the line? Its still a sewing machine and you will have to plug it back in to charge. The modern day internal combustion engine has gotten so efficient and clean that gimmick cars like the Tesla will be an after thought in 10 years. Remember, electric cars have been around for a century so if this tech was something that would surpass the gas engine it would have already done so. Cars like the Tesla are just another gadget for Obama voters in places like Manhattan, Arlington, and San Francisco to parade around their effette eliteness. Lol, $70K for a sewing machine that is worthless once you leave the leftist urban gulag. LOL. Take it easy man. NOVA has got nothing on Florida (including Myakka) All he will need on the Tesla is a Get R Done or Ballz Deep Mudder sticker on the back window. Nice ride man. There are a few Teslas running around here, most in LWR. I'd really like a chance to drive one; they sure pass the eye test and the reviews have been great! Good luck. |
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The range on the model I chose is rated to be 265 miles. The Tesla Supercharger stations will recharge for 170 miles in 30 minutes. 30 minutes at home @ 40 amps 240 volts gets 14 miles. Public 30 amp changing stations will give 10 miles. If you visit the Tesla website they have a map of the current and future charging stations. http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger According to this map, you can't get anywhere from Texas. Also, If you plan to take a road trip to the West Coast (not that you do), you have to take a pretty fucked up path. Can you just buy a really long extension cord with the car? |
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According to this map, you can't get anywhere from Texas. Also, If you plan to take a road trip to the West Coast (not that you do), you have to take a pretty fucked up path. Can you just buy a really long extension cord with the car? Quoted:
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The range on the model I chose is rated to be 265 miles. The Tesla Supercharger stations will recharge for 170 miles in 30 minutes. 30 minutes at home @ 40 amps 240 volts gets 14 miles. Public 30 amp changing stations will give 10 miles. If you visit the Tesla website they have a map of the current and future charging stations. http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger According to this map, you can't get anywhere from Texas. Also, If you plan to take a road trip to the West Coast (not that you do), you have to take a pretty fucked up path. Can you just buy a really long extension cord with the car? There are other options for charging, KOA has a plan (I think it is $10 per hour, still cheaper than gas) apparently quite a few motels and restaurants are having charging stations installed and there are public stations. I have not mapped any of them yet. By the end of 2014 there will be Tesla Supercharger stations all the way from here to the west cost. I would have to drive to OKC from below Dallas in order to use Tesla Superchargers exclusively. |
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No offense to you, Man and I sincerely hope your car works out for you exactly the way you hoped. But I cant imagine any type of scenario where I had $70K to spend for a car where I would pick a Tesla over a BMW. Sounds like you have never seen, sat in, or driven a Tesla. I work for mercedes and have 2 as company cars. The only thing we make comparable to the Tesla is the S550, but in many ways the Tesla is still nicer. Have you seen the dash on the Tesla? We tried to do something similar in the S class but it really cant compare with what Tesla did, its a large flat screen about the size of 2 ipads in your dash. Right now the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S class and Audi A8 are well behind Tesla and it shows in the sales numbers. Tesla far out sells them all. |
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As "speedgoat" said, you need to look at a Tesla and drive one before you can do a comparison. The Tesla is certainly not for everyone; neither is a pickup, a Corvette, BMW M1, etc. but , they all fit peoples needs, and desires, at different times in their life.
The Tesla showroom has a chassis without the body. -I do wish that they had Zerk fittings on the ball and heim joints. I have never liked those permanently lubed fittings! |
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quote: No offense to you, Man and I sincerely hope your car works out for you exactly the way you hoped. But I cant imagine any type of scenario where I had $70K to spend for a car where I would pick a Tesla over a BMW. Sounds like you have never seen, sat in, or driven a Tesla. I work for mercedes and have 2 as company cars. The only thing we make comparable to the Tesla is the S550, but in many ways the Tesla is still nicer. Have you seen the dash on the Tesla? We tried to do something similar in the S class but it really cant compare with what Tesla did, its a large flat screen about the size of 2 ipads in your dash. Right now the BMW 7 series and Mercedes S class and Audi A8 are well behind Tesla and it shows in the sales numbers. Tesla far out sells them all. Um, what exactly are you smoking? Production numbers fro all 3 are all higher than what tesla has sold in 2013. |
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The issue people take is-not/should-not-be with you for being a customer, but with the entire economics behind the vehicle. If you are comfortable 'paying forward' $42,000-38,000 worth of potential gasoline usage (by paying $60-something-K for what would be an $22,000-18,000 vehicle if it were gas-powered - that's enough to drive ~350,000 miles at 35mpg) to own an electric vehicle, that is your free market choice. The political beef people have, is that Tesla would not be able to produce that vehicle at the price point they are, if the government were not paying for it. So you would have to pay-forward probably an additional 20k *more* for your electric car. Quoted:
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What type of maintenance do these cars require? -If there is no delaer network, where do you take your car for warranty service or regular maintenance? How about parts? Also, how many cars can a charging station accomodate? - who pays to power the charging station? - is it Tesla? - if so, how long can they continue to do this without it costing them a lot of money? Tesla will come to you for $100, and they have maintenance plans that eliminate that cost. The routine maintenance required is windshield wiper blades and brake pads ( brake pads should wear less than other cars due to regenative braking). The number of vehicles accommodated varies at the Supercharger stations. I visited the station in St. Augustine FL, I believe it had either 4 or 5 cars. Tesla pays the bills for the stations. There is no announced changes to cost to vehicle owners. PS: I did not vote for Obama, I'm a Life NRA member and a veteran. I'm not some sort of Eco-nut, I'm just buying a very nice car that fits my desires and needs. The Tesla Model S I drove handles better and is quicker than the Corvettes I have owned or driven. I'm am not wealthy, I am a retired middle manager that saved and invested most of my working life. The issue people take is-not/should-not-be with you for being a customer, but with the entire economics behind the vehicle. If you are comfortable 'paying forward' $42,000-38,000 worth of potential gasoline usage (by paying $60-something-K for what would be an $22,000-18,000 vehicle if it were gas-powered - that's enough to drive ~350,000 miles at 35mpg) to own an electric vehicle, that is your free market choice. The political beef people have, is that Tesla would not be able to produce that vehicle at the price point they are, if the government were not paying for it. So you would have to pay-forward probably an additional 20k *more* for your electric car. You clearly haven't seen and finger fucked one in person. If the Tesla S had a gas engine, it would still cost north of 40 grand. It is probably one of the nicest vehicles on the road today when it comes to build quality. This isn't some POS Ford Taurus. |