Posted: 4/7/2016 8:29:58 PM EDT
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In December I bought a Dell laptop with Win 10 preinstalled. Now it seems Microsoft wants me to buy access to my DVD player, and there is no MS Works included. They want me to buy that as well.
Is this for real? Is there an alternative without buying a new PC? |
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MS Works appears to be discontinued and was generally crappy anyways. MS Office suite has the standard word processing, presentation, spreadsheet, database, and a whole lot more.
MS Office is what you want, but paying full price for it sucks. Oftentimes there are home use programs through work or school which allow you to buy it dirt cheap. |
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Quoted: In December I bought a Dell laptop with Win 10 preinstalled. Now it seems Microsoft wants me to buy access to my DVD player, and there is no MS Works included. They want me to buy that as well. Is this for real? Is there an alternative without buying a new PC? What kinda gayness is this? |
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You gotta pay to use your DVD player?? What kinda gayness is this? Quoted:
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In December I bought a Dell laptop with Win 10 preinstalled. Now it seems Microsoft wants me to buy access to my DVD player, and there is no MS Works included. They want me to buy that as well. Is this for real? Is there an alternative without buying a new PC? What kinda gayness is this? Microsoft took out the DVD playback because they didn't want to pay for the codecs. Not a big deal because there are plenty of other ways to play DVDs and DVDs are falling to the wayside. Microsoft Works?!?! Are you serious OP? Works was discontinued nearly 10 years ago (2007) and was piece of crap anyway. |
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You gotta pay to use your DVD player?? What kinda gayness is this? He said "pay to access the DVD player." What he meant was that he is being requested to purchase the codecs to watch a video DVD. Of course he can use his built in DVD player to read / write DVD type data discs and CDs. |
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There is no reason for you to "stay behind the times". 10 is a good OS and very easy to use. Give it a chance before you raise your pitchfork in the air and demand your Windows XP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I haven't been overly excited with 10. Its great for the average user but for system admins...its a bit of an inconvenience. Unfortunately, the industry I work in doesn't support 10 and barely supports 64 bit operating systems. It's time for a new computer...but it'll be pre-installed with Windows 7 Pro. |
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I haven't been overly excited with 10. Its great for the average user but for system admins...its a bit of an inconvenience. Unfortunately, the industry I work in doesn't support 10 and barely supports 64 bit operating systems. It's time for a new computer...but it'll be pre-installed with Windows 7 Pro. Quoted:
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There is no reason for you to "stay behind the times". 10 is a good OS and very easy to use. Give it a chance before you raise your pitchfork in the air and demand your Windows XP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I haven't been overly excited with 10. Its great for the average user but for system admins...its a bit of an inconvenience. Unfortunately, the industry I work in doesn't support 10 and barely supports 64 bit operating systems. It's time for a new computer...but it'll be pre-installed with Windows 7 Pro. I system admin on Win10 Enterprise all day every day. I've noticed no inconveniences in administering systems in any way. What exactly are you considering an inconvenience? |
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Same here.
Zapzap, I play my engineer and admin games on Windows 10, 8.1, FreeBSD, Ubuntu Desktop, and OS X. Sometimes all of them depending on how much I'm moving around. 
At home it's 10 pretty much exclusively. There is NOTHING that you cannot do on 10 as easily and efficiently (more in my opinion) as 7 or 8.1. I don't understand the difficulty in adopting 10. There's nothing whatsoever that an XP, 7, or 8.1 user won't be able to find or do. They all do the same shit with mild differences in UI and file system organization (I'm not going to address things like service/daemon handling and proprietary software because most users have no interest or need in interacting with them) that 99% of users can figure out in minutes, if not seconds. If you just don't like change, then that's perfectly ok. I'm merely pointing out that it's a good OS with long-term support so there are a lot of smart reasons to adopt it. Quoted:
I system admin on Win10 Enterprise all day every day. I've noticed no inconveniences in administering systems in any way. What exactly are you considering an inconvenience? Quoted:
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There is no reason for you to "stay behind the times". 10 is a good OS and very easy to use. Give it a chance before you raise your pitchfork in the air and demand your Windows XP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I haven't been overly excited with 10. Its great for the average user but for system admins...its a bit of an inconvenience. Unfortunately, the industry I work in doesn't support 10 and barely supports 64 bit operating systems. It's time for a new computer...but it'll be pre-installed with Windows 7 Pro. I system admin on Win10 Enterprise all day every day. I've noticed no inconveniences in administering systems in any way. What exactly are you considering an inconvenience? |
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Same here. Zapzap, I play my engineer and admin games on Windows 10, 8.1, FreeBSD, Ubuntu Desktop, and OS X. Sometimes all of them depending on how much I'm moving around.
At home it's 10 pretty much exclusively. There is NOTHING that you cannot do on 10 as easily and efficiently (more in my opinion) as 7 or 8.1. I don't understand the difficulty in adopting 10. There's nothing whatsoever that an XP, 7, or 8.1 user won't be able to find or do. They all do the same shit with mild differences in UI and file system organization (I'm not going to address things like service/daemon handling and proprietary software because most users have no interest or need in interacting with them) that 99% of users can figure out in minutes, if not seconds. If you just don't like change, then that's perfectly ok. I'm merely pointing out that it's a good OS with long-term support so there are a lot of smart reasons to adopt it. Quoted:
Same here. Zapzap, I play my engineer and admin games on Windows 10, 8.1, FreeBSD, Ubuntu Desktop, and OS X. Sometimes all of them depending on how much I'm moving around.
At home it's 10 pretty much exclusively. There is NOTHING that you cannot do on 10 as easily and efficiently (more in my opinion) as 7 or 8.1. I don't understand the difficulty in adopting 10. There's nothing whatsoever that an XP, 7, or 8.1 user won't be able to find or do. They all do the same shit with mild differences in UI and file system organization (I'm not going to address things like service/daemon handling and proprietary software because most users have no interest or need in interacting with them) that 99% of users can figure out in minutes, if not seconds. If you just don't like change, then that's perfectly ok. I'm merely pointing out that it's a good OS with long-term support so there are a lot of smart reasons to adopt it. Quoted:
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There is no reason for you to "stay behind the times". 10 is a good OS and very easy to use. Give it a chance before you raise your pitchfork in the air and demand your Windows XP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I haven't been overly excited with 10. Its great for the average user but for system admins...its a bit of an inconvenience. Unfortunately, the industry I work in doesn't support 10 and barely supports 64 bit operating systems. It's time for a new computer...but it'll be pre-installed with Windows 7 Pro. I system admin on Win10 Enterprise all day every day. I've noticed no inconveniences in administering systems in any way. What exactly are you considering an inconvenience? I'm not saying its not a good OS. I haven't seen anything to make me want to get off of 7. Extended support for 7 ends the same year as mainstream support does for 10. The other problem I've run into, the wireless communications industry (which is what I work in) does not support 10 yet. So that $11,000 Motorola APX-8000 that some system engineer just bought doesn't have a driver to support (and several other manufacturers of multi-million dollar LMR systems use the same driver) the new Windows 10 computer his office just replaced his Windows 7 machine with as it doesn't play nicely with the network manager in 10. Aviat Networks (formerly Harris-Stratex) doesn't even support 64 bit operating systems with their console driver. So that Aviat Eclipse that you just spent $35,000 per side and you just accidentally fat fingered an IP address when running through the IP side is a very expensive 4U brick until you track down a computer with a 32 bit operating system. Critical infastructure that rides the tail end of LTS as long as possible. |
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You seem to have found a niche compatibility issue that justifies holding on to 7 for the purpose of using the wireless software.
It has a lot of improvements in the OS itself and a lot of really nice UI tweaks and features that are an improvement. It's a better OS than 7 in every objective way. However, if you're determined not to like it and won't give it a fair evaluation then 7 will do you just fine. 
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I'm not saying its not a good OS. I haven't seen anything to make me want to get off of 7. Extended support for 7 ends the same year as mainstream support does for 10. The other problem I've run into, the wireless communications industry (which is what I work in) does not support 10 yet. So that $11,000 Motorola APX-8000 that some system engineer just bought doesn't have a driver to support (and several other manufacturers of multi-million dollar LMR systems use the same driver) the new Windows 10 computer his office just replaced his Windows 7 machine with as it doesn't play nicely with the network manager in 10. Aviat Networks (formerly Harris-Stratex) doesn't even support 64 bit operating systems with their console driver. So that Aviat Eclipse that you just spent $35,000 per side and you just accidentally fat fingered an IP address when running through the IP side is a very expensive 4U brick until you track down a computer with a 32 bit operating system. Critical infastructure that rides the tail end of LTS as long as possible. |
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You seem to have found a niche compatibility issue that justifies holding on to 7 for the purpose of using the wireless software. It has a lot of improvements in the OS itself and a lot of really nice UI tweaks and features that are an improvement. It's a better OS than 7 in every objective way. However, if you're determined not to like it and won't give it a fair evaluation then 7 will do you just fine.
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You seem to have found a niche compatibility issue that justifies holding on to 7 for the purpose of using the wireless software. It has a lot of improvements in the OS itself and a lot of really nice UI tweaks and features that are an improvement. It's a better OS than 7 in every objective way. However, if you're determined not to like it and won't give it a fair evaluation then 7 will do you just fine.
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I'm not saying its not a good OS. I haven't seen anything to make me want to get off of 7. Extended support for 7 ends the same year as mainstream support does for 10. The other problem I've run into, the wireless communications industry (which is what I work in) does not support 10 yet. So that $11,000 Motorola APX-8000 that some system engineer just bought doesn't have a driver to support (and several other manufacturers of multi-million dollar LMR systems use the same driver) the new Windows 10 computer his office just replaced his Windows 7 machine with as it doesn't play nicely with the network manager in 10. Aviat Networks (formerly Harris-Stratex) doesn't even support 64 bit operating systems with their console driver. So that Aviat Eclipse that you just spent $35,000 per side and you just accidentally fat fingered an IP address when running through the IP side is a very expensive 4U brick until you track down a computer with a 32 bit operating system. Critical infastructure that rides the tail end of LTS as long as possible. Very similar to the SCADA industry...just beginning to migrate to 802.3...everything else is still serial which is why a lot of us still have serial ports on our laptops. Anything in serious communications infrastructure takes forever to move over current OS bases. |
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Very similar to the SCADA industry...just beginning to migrate to 802.3...everything else is still serial which is why a lot of us still have serial ports on our laptops. Anything in serious communications infrastructure takes forever to move over current OS bases. This. So much this. Coming from an IT background and moving in to industrial automation / SCADA etc - I had to dump lots of assumptions about "modern" infrastructure. |
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This. So much this. Coming from an IT background and moving in to industrial automation / SCADA etc - I had to dump lots of assumptions about "modern" infrastructure. Quoted:
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Very similar to the SCADA industry...just beginning to migrate to 802.3...everything else is still serial which is why a lot of us still have serial ports on our laptops. Anything in serious communications infrastructure takes forever to move over current OS bases. This. So much this. Coming from an IT background and moving in to industrial automation / SCADA etc - I had to dump lots of assumptions about "modern" infrastructure. It's the same in the back-end of banking infrastructure. So many VT100 terminals at the core still. |
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This. So much this. Coming from an IT background and moving in to industrial automation / SCADA etc - I had to dump lots of assumptions about "modern" infrastructure. Quoted:
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Very similar to the SCADA industry...just beginning to migrate to 802.3...everything else is still serial which is why a lot of us still have serial ports on our laptops. Anything in serious communications infrastructure takes forever to move over current OS bases. This. So much this. Coming from an IT background and moving in to industrial automation / SCADA etc - I had to dump lots of assumptions about "modern" infrastructure. I thought I had found a solution with the BrainBoxes VX-001 and Lenovo T series...then Lenovo goes and drops the PC Express slot (from what they've told me). |
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Quoted: I haven't been overly excited with 10. Its great for the average user but for system admins...its a bit of an inconvenience. Unfortunately, the industry I work in doesn't support 10 and barely supports 64 bit operating systems. It's time for a new computer...but it'll be pre-installed with Windows 7 Pro. Quoted: Quoted: There is no reason for you to "stay behind the times". 10 is a good OS and very easy to use. Give it a chance before you raise your pitchfork in the air and demand your Windows XP. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I haven't been overly excited with 10. Its great for the average user but for system admins...its a bit of an inconvenience. Unfortunately, the industry I work in doesn't support 10 and barely supports 64 bit operating systems. It's time for a new computer...but it'll be pre-installed with Windows 7 Pro. I just don't like my kids being up on me tech wise. If I can figure it out anyone can. |
You're not fooling me with that crap!
I am quite certain that you can more than hold your own with this stuff. Quoted:
So far 10 has been good so far, even on my Acer netbook. I just don't like my kids being up on me tech wise. If I can figure it out anyone can. |
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Hi guys. I don't know much of anything about computers and I'm having a little problem since I had windows 10 installed. I cannot open pages on certain sites, like the state pages on handgunlaw.us. The bar shows the page is loaded but it never opens. Pretty much the same with GB. Any ideas how to fix this?
I'm on satellite internet so I live with slow speeds and when I reach a certain monthly usage it all but shuts down but this new problem is really annoying. Thanks |
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What browser and version# are you using, and have you tried using any other browser you may have installed on your computer (or any other computer in your house)? Mike I'm just using the MSN home page and we only have one computer. The only internet service we can get is satellite or a thing called Atomsplash, off the cell tower? All we use it for is to get local news from where our kids live and look up things on the internet. It was running slow, we had reached the data cap, and my wife decided to have the local computer shop look at it. They installed a new hard drive and Windows 10. Since then the only thing different that I have noticed is the two websites, handgunlaw.us and Gun Broker. |