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Posted: 10/19/2017 7:45:31 PM EDT
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I can't really recommend cameras without the front control dial. So the 3xxx and 5xxx series are out for me.
You also get better autofocus and durability. And with the d500 currently leading the way, the perfectly functional d7100 and 7200 are available for reasonable prices on the used market. Even the d7000 would be an upgrade for you, but I'd say get the best body you can afford. It's a good time. Regarding the lenses, keep in mind that we are talking about crop cameras. The 2.8 lenses are still pretty good to amazing but you won't get the background blur like a full frame and you'll tend to need a bit more iso on a crop camera to keep the shutter speed up. That said you can get screaming deals on lenses used as well. I practically don't buy anything new unless I can't find a used one or I need it NOW. When I bought my D750 I got it for less than I was finding used ones for. I can't explain why. Guess the store really wanted a sale. It's because of that deal that I didn't lose my ass when I sold it. Still prefer the d500, but I had to see if the full frame was really that much better. Naaah. |
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Posted: 10/26/2017 1:10:44 AM EDT
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That D50 may be old, but I think it was far better as an entry level of that time than the same entry models today (yes, the newer cameras have better technology in them, but the D50 was a really amazing camera for the money back then). There are just so many good deals to be had on much newer stuff than your D50, but not brand new. A D7100, for example, would be a MONSTER improvement, and you can find them at good prices. If you go up from there, you are looking 7200 which is a ton of camera.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 10:35:13 AM EDT
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Thanks for the responses. I have been looking at the 7200/7100 camera bodies. I have read I can use my current lenses because the 7xxx cameras have autofocus motors in the bodies.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 10:39:44 AM EDT
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Thanks for the responses. I have been looking at the 7200/7100 camera bodies. I have read I can use my current lenses because the 7xxx cameras have autofocus motors in the bodies. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 1:12:24 PM EDT
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It is also worth noting that the low light performance is SO much better on the newer stuff that fast glass is not QUITE as important as it once was. VR helps that too.
That said - it is hard to beat a 1.8 or 2.8 lens... -shooter |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 2:27:36 PM EDT
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It is also worth noting that the low light performance is SO much better on the newer stuff that fast glass is not QUITE as important as it once was. VR helps that too. That said - it is hard to beat a 1.8 or 2.8 lens... -shooter |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 2:43:30 PM EDT
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Understood. All I have right now are the basic lenses that come with kits. I think they are the f4.5-5.6 lenses. Gonna need at least f2.8 for the indoor, poorly lit gyms when the kids start playing sports. Plus, I can't see a downside for having it for outdoors. I shoot a lot of kids stuff including Taekwondo and basketball. Even my OLD 80-200 f2.8 is a HUGE help. That said, I shoot more than most people would expect with an 18-140VR. If you are kind of stuck close to the court (basketball) or mat (TKD) - it is nice to be able to shoot a zoom lens with a big range. I also have a 24-85 that is a 2.8-4. It is kind of the aperture middle-ground. I use it less and less as time passes, and use the 18-140 more. The high ISO performance of my new camera buys me a lot of flexibility. -shooter |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 3:57:21 PM EDT
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Is this the 18-140 you're talking about?
Yes, We have a smaller catholic school and the gym is small. For basketball games, the sideline is about 3-4 feet away. Something in the 140mm for top end would probably be enough to get across the court. 200 or 300 might be too much. Plus, id like not to change lenses all the time. |
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Posted: 10/27/2017 4:34:27 PM EDT
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OP, allow me to suggest a D650. Camera value is well past the price level.
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Posted: 10/29/2017 3:29:57 PM EDT
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Is this the 18-140 you're talking about? Yes, We have a smaller catholic school and the gym is small. For basketball games, the sideline is about 3-4 feet away. Something in the 140mm for top end would probably be enough to get across the court. 200 or 300 might be too much. Plus, id like not to change lenses all the time. And that lens is great if you are stuck on a sideline. I have used a 80-200 in that circumstance, and it is very limiting if the action gets close to you. shooter |
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Posted: 10/29/2017 5:50:08 PM EDT
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Yep - that is the one. My wife bought mine 3-4 years ago at Christmastime, I am hoping it was a refurb... And that lens is great if you are stuck on a sideline. I have used a 80-200 in that circumstance, and it is very limiting if the action gets close to you. shooter |
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Posted: 10/29/2017 8:44:52 PM EDT
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It depends an awful lot on the gym - we have some that have some weird skylights that help quite a bit. That said, it is pretty common for me to work in the high four-digit to low five-digit numbers.
I consider myself lucky if I can get it down under 5000. -shooter |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 9:26:38 AM EDT
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It depends an awful lot on the gym - we have some that have some weird skylights that help quite a bit. That said, it is pretty common for me to work in the high four-digit to low five-digit numbers. I consider myself lucky if I can get it down under 5000. -shooter |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 9:55:03 AM EDT
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RE: Noise - for what I do with my pictures - it is bearable. If I were trying to make posters, I would probably have some anxiety. I also didn't mind some grain back in the old days with 3200 speed film, so a bit of noise doesn't scare me too much. Before that, I shot high school yearbook back in the day and was limited to 800 speed film (for reasons I will never understand). I will take a slightly grainy shot any day after that.
Also, the difference between the D90 and the D500 in that regard is very noticable. The high-ISO performance on the D500 is truly amazing. -shooter |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 10:49:34 AM EDT
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RE: Noise - for what I do with my pictures - it is bearable. If I were trying to make posters, I would probably have some anxiety. I also didn't mind some grain back in the old days with 3200 speed film, so a bit of noise doesn't scare me too much. Before that, I shot high school yearbook back in the day and was limited to 800 speed film (for reasons I will never understand). I will take a slightly grainy shot any day after that. Also, the difference between the D90 and the D500 in that regard is very noticable. The high-ISO performance on the D500 is truly amazing. -shooter The D7100 and 7200 weren't exactly terrible either. If you shoot it right, and by that I mean ETTR (yes, it actually works) and do some processing, you can cut the noise even further. The D500 ETTR and processed accordingly can hold its own against the D750, which all agree is among Nikon's best performing FULL FRAME sensors regarding image noise. ETTR can help any camera though, even the lower tier and older ones. |
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Posted: 10/30/2017 7:03:05 PM EDT
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True enough on the 7100 & 7200 - both great cameras at very good prices right now.
I need to get better at post processing. I have an old-school “get it right in the camera” approach most of the time. Sometimes that is too limited. -shooter |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 11:55:31 AM EDT
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Either the D7100/7200, is a step up from the D50. Spend the extra money and get the D7200, I have the D7100, the extra technical refinements in the D7200 is not enough for me to spend the extra money. You MAY want to spend money on the newest D7500 since it has the faster focusing mechanism and low light capabilities from the SotA D500.
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Posted: 11/3/2017 7:40:20 PM EDT
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Either the D7100/7200, is a step up from the D50. Spend the extra money and get the D7200, I have the D7100, the extra technical refinements in the D7200 is not enough for me to spend the extra money. You MAY want to spend money on the newest D7500 since it has the faster focusing mechanism and low light capabilities from the SotA D500. The D7500 shares a sensor and processor with the D500. It has the same metering as well. It does *not* have the D500's autofocus. It's basically the same as the D7200, with a bit more advanced processing behind it (which does help a bit, let's be fair) but it isn't the same as the D500. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 9:00:32 AM EDT
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I had some Amazon gift cards and I purchased a D7200 body last night. Should be here tomorrow. Thanks for the help.
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Posted: 12/2/2017 9:13:04 AM EDT
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I had some Amazon gift cards and I purchased a D7200 body last night. Should be here tomorrow. Thanks for the help. The pro config of the D500 is a bit of a turn off to new shooters I'm finding. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 2:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The pro config of the D500 is a bit of a turn off to new shooters I'm finding. But.............. when all else fails, I'd just switch the thing over to "auto" & let it rip. Many new shooters shouldn't be afraid to do this when learning on a good camera. Taking pics on a high quality camera is like making mistakes when you're learning about sex: even when you boo-boo, it's still pretty damn fun. 
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Posted: 12/2/2017 4:47:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been there, done that. It helps if there's an experienced shooter to ask questions of. Unfortunately, I had to take my Nikon back to the store & they happily showed me many things I didn't know. I wish more experienced shooters would reach out to novices for some "hands-on" support. I would've killed to have an experienced shooter stand behind me & tell me which settings to use & how to get them after I tell them what kind of shot I wanted. But.............. when all else fails, I'd just switch the thing over to "auto" & let it rip. Many new shooters should be afraid to do this when learning on a good camera. Taking pics on a high quality camera is like making mistakes when you're learning about sex: even when you boo-boo, it's still pretty damn fun. She actually liked the d7200 and the selector wheel for masp etc. She's been asking more questions and wanting to experiment a bit. She took a few pics of the cats earlier and didn't do terrible. Baby steps. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 9:16:53 PM EDT
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I'm just waiting for Zack's gf to seize the cameras for her use to take photos of things she wants to draw. He can wait.
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Posted: 12/2/2017 9:31:39 PM EDT
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I'm just waiting for Zack's gf to seize the cameras for her use to take photos of things she wants to draw. He can wait. We can all agree that if she draws like this: 
Whenever she does decide to take up photography, we're *all* screwed. 
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Posted: 12/2/2017 11:42:36 PM EDT
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Seriously, I have zero freaking idea how that is even humanly possible.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 12:10:43 AM EDT
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Seriously, I have zero freaking idea how that is even humanly possible. She's not bad. https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2057434_The-GF-has-decided-she-s-interested-in-using-my-Nikon-D500-Here-s-her-first-pictures-.html Posted in GD. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 1:16:25 PM EDT
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The D7200 body came in the mail today with a 64G Sandisk SD card (up to 95mb/s). Battery is charging and I am going through the manual.
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Posted: 12/3/2017 1:29:08 PM EDT
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I love my trusty old D50. It's like the Pentax K1000 of the DSLR world.
Not that I wouldn't like a few more pixels, and there's a world of other limitations compared to a modern camera, but I sure got a lot of life out of this one. |
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Posted: 12/3/2017 2:28:23 PM EDT
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I love my trusty old D50. It's like the Pentax K1000 of the DSLR world. Not that I wouldn't like a few more pixels, and there's a world of other limitations compared to a modern camera, but I sure got a lot of life out of this one. |
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