Posted: 11/4/2009 5:50:52 AM EDT
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posted here since most "normal folk" wouldn't understand..... so i'm at the gym this morning at 0730, half asleep, and i had an epiphany; a true lightbulb moment. ever known something, but it took an some random event to make you realize the true meaning of it? 1. when choosing a barbell, it's usually a good idea to snag one without the "make-your-hands-cry, terminator" knurling. 2. when performing deadlifts, it's good to keep the bar close to your legs. however, there is such a thing as "too close." 3. if you're going to disregard #1 & #2 due to exhaustion, equipment selection, or just plain stupidity, please be sure to clean the hair & skin off of the barbell for the next person.   
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Quoted: Shin guards are a winner. I wear long addidas type track pants to the gym and no one would notice.  ETA: What's that pouch on your shoe? You're hardcore if that's where you keep your amonia caps.  nike+ holder. (linky) i don't have the snazzy little pocket in my shoe for it. & i was just staring to heal from the last time. you'd think i would learn..... |
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Quoted: You're doing it wrong. You should straighten your legs more before straightening your back. With correct form, this won't happen. If you can't do that, you're using too much weight and need to strengthen your back before upping it. the "starting strength" faq and several trainers/coaches have told me otherwise. YMMV. |
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You're doing it wrong. You should straighten your legs more before straightening your back. With correct form, this won't happen. If you can't do that, you're using too much weight and need to strengthen your back before upping it. I know of quite a few record holding deadlifters that would disagree with you. 
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You're doing it wrong. You should straighten your legs more before straightening your back. With correct form, this won't happen. If you can't do that, you're using too much weight and need to strengthen your back before upping it. I know of quite a few record holding deadlifters that would disagree with you. Exactly, and well put. Your shins SHOULD be bleeding if you are deadlifting properly, good lord look at the scars on some of the top deadlifters in the world
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| I agree - your shins should be scraped up after deadlifting. If you don't want them scraped up, use either soccer shin guards or get some tall socks, cut up (2) 2-liter soda bottles and put them inside the socks. You will still get scrapage around the knees though. Wear the scars as badges of honor. Not many people who "workout" deadlift. Those that do should be proud they do. Deadlifts suck but we must do them in order to be bigger and stronger. I'm proud of my scraped up shins. |
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I agree - your shins should be scraped up after deadlifting. If you don't want them scraped up, use either soccer shin guards or get some tall socks, cut up (2) 2-liter soda bottles and put them inside the socks. You will still get scrapage around the knees though. Wear the scars as badges of honor. Not many people who "workout" deadlift. Those that do should be proud they do. Deadlifts suck but we must do them in order to be bigger and stronger. I'm proud of my scraped up shins. I agree. Deadlifts are one of the most important lifts you can do. They build lots of foundational strength needed to do the other lifts! |
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Thats how you know if your doing dead's right... I don't get it. Why should the bar be so close? I haven't been doing this long; I learned my form by watching Rippetoe on youtube. But, when I come up the bar is 1-2" from my shins. It just seems to be a question of keeping my balance. |
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Thats how you know if your doing dead's right... I don't get it. Why should the bar be so close? I haven't been doing this long; I learned my form by watching Rippetoe on youtube. But, when I come up the bar is 1-2" from my shins. It just seems to be a question of keeping my balance. When you up the weight to a certain point the bar WILL travel in a vertical path because that is the most economic movement. At lighter weights you can you keep the bar away from your shins. |
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Quoted: Because you want the bar in line with the scapulae Quoted: Thats how you know if your doing dead's right... I don't get it. Why should the bar be so close? I haven't been doing this long; I learned my form by watching Rippetoe on youtube. But, when I come up the bar is 1-2" from my shins. It just seems to be a question of keeping my balance.  Your lats are what keeps the bar properly in line. |
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Thats how you know if your doing dead's right... I don't get it. Why should the bar be so close? I haven't been doing this long; I learned my form by watching Rippetoe on youtube. But, when I come up the bar is 1-2" from my shins. It just seems to be a question of keeping my balance. You need to pull the bar against your shins with your lats. The closer you can keep the bar to your body throughout the movement, the less torque you're applying to your lower back. |
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Okay, what do you consider to be a heavy weight? I'm not being a smart-ass. This is totally dependent on you. You may be able to keep the bar 1 or 2 inches away from your shin while lifting 300ponds, while someone else may only do it with 135. Eventually the weight will get too heavy for you to do this. It sounds like you are on the right track following Rippetoe's program. Concentrate on good form while increasing weight, and eventually physics and gravity will dictate the most efficient path leading to bloody shins if your bar has gnurling all the way across. Looking at the pictured above shows this quite clearly. |
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It is a matter of physics. The further the bar is from your shins, the further it is from your pulling "center of gravity" and will be heavier and cause more of a load on your spine. Simply said, if you want to deadlift the most weight possible, you will have to pull it against your shins on the way up.
Even when warming up, I pull with the bar against my shins. I need to rephrase that, I actually begin with the bar about an inch or two from my shins, once the pull begins the bar quickly goes up against my shins. At the beginning of the pull, there is a brief moment of time when the bar is NOT against my shins. That is how it is for me based on my physiology. It may or may not be that way for everyone (starting position) because we aren't built alike. Unfortunately for my bench press and military press, I am built to deadlift (long arms). |
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Thats how you know if your doing dead's right... I don't get it. Why should the bar be so close? I haven't been doing this long; I learned my form by watching Rippetoe on youtube. But, when I come up the bar is 1-2" from my shins. It just seems to be a question of keeping my balance. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_90MHSgg2Atk/RZyLL4XGMYI/AAAAAAAAAD0/dmlbSKX4P7k/s400/Picture1%2Bdeadlift%2Bskeleton%2Bview.gif Your lats are what keeps the bar properly in line. Oh shit! My starting position was a lot lower than that- pretty much like I was in the down position of a squat, with my butt almost touching my heels, back almost vertical. I don't know how I screwed that up. The diagram really clears things up, thanks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because you want the bar in line with the scapulae Quoted: Thats how you know if your doing dead's right... I don't get it. Why should the bar be so close? I haven't been doing this long; I learned my form by watching Rippetoe on youtube. But, when I come up the bar is 1-2" from my shins. It just seems to be a question of keeping my balance. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_90MHSgg2Atk/RZyLL4XGMYI/AAAAAAAAAD0/dmlbSKX4P7k/s400/Picture1%2Bdeadlift%2Bskeleton%2Bview.gif Your lats are what keeps the bar properly in line. Oh shit! My starting position was a lot lower than that- pretty much like I was in the down position of a squat, with my butt almost touching my heels, back almost vertical. I don't know how I screwed that up. The diagram really clears things up, thanks. Different stature people will have different starting back angles.  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because you want the bar in line with the scapulae Quoted: Thats how you know if your doing dead's right... I don't get it. Why should the bar be so close? I haven't been doing this long; I learned my form by watching Rippetoe on youtube. But, when I come up the bar is 1-2" from my shins. It just seems to be a question of keeping my balance. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_90MHSgg2Atk/RZyLL4XGMYI/AAAAAAAAAD0/dmlbSKX4P7k/s400/Picture1%2Bdeadlift%2Bskeleton%2Bview.gif Your lats are what keeps the bar properly in line. Oh shit! My starting position was a lot lower than that- pretty much like I was in the down position of a squat, with my butt almost touching my heels, back almost vertical. I don't know how I screwed that up. The diagram really clears things up, thanks. i used to do power cleans like that and never could figure out why i was literally bouncing the bar off my chest ETA: http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_RipDeadliftIntro.wmv http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_RipBBPowerCleanJump.wmv |