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12/30/2007 9:16:30 AM EDT
Alright, today I find myself really pissed off.

For the past 3 months, I have worked hard in improving my abdominal muscles and thus increasing the number of sit-ups I can do. I have a PT test somewhere in the future (maybe January 28th) and in it I need to do 38 sit-ups in a minute's time. Back in September when I started I could do about 10 . After working on a decline sit-up board with a weight on my chest I am now up to 28.

Here's why I am pissed off. 2 weeks ago I simulated as if I was doing the test. I did 27 in one minute. Today I did another simulated test and got 28. The past 2 weeks I have been working on my decline board with weights, and all I've improved is 1 sit-up. At this rate it'll take me 20 weeks to get to where I want to be.

WTF am I doing wrong? I don't even know if its possible for me to do 38 sit-ups in a minute the way they want me to. When I just did the 28 I really cranked them out as fast as I could. I mean spring right up to my knees then slam down to the ground and crank right back up again. I only slowed down around 25-26 sit-ups with 10 seconds left, because at that point I was getting fatigued. Today's test seemed to go a lot faster in that my reps seems very quick, but the time seemed very short

I'm not going to lie, if it gets to January 28th and I still haven't come anywhere close and bomb this test, I am going to be outright dejected.

Here is a description of the sit-up I need to be able to do:


ONE-MINUTE SIT-UP TEST: The applicant will assume the standard position for a sit-up. The standard position for the sit up is in the “up” position. The applicant will sit on the floor with knees bent, heels flat on the floor, buttocks as close to the heels as possible, and the upper body perpendicular to the floor. The applicant’s hands will be placed behind the head with the fingers interlocked for the duration of the
repetitions. Another person will hold the feet down either above or below the ankles. The applicant will lie down so that the upper back touches the floor. Applicants will contract their abdominal muscles and raise the upper body off the floor to the standard position, which will usually mean that the elbows must touch the
top of the knees or extend beyond the lower legs so that the upper body is perpendicular to the floor. The buttocks must remain in contact with the floor during the complete sit-up. This will complete one successful repetition. Monitors will count off cumulatively to the applicant each completed successful repetition. The applicant may rest in either the up or down position and will be encouraged not to pull their necks forward with their hands during the exercise. The test ends at the end of one minute. The score will
be the number of correct sit-ups completed within that one-minute period.
12/30/2007 3:35:26 PM EDT
[#1]
Have you dropped any weight?  Seriously, if you diet and loose 10-15lbs in the next 4 weeks those situps will become easy.  

Another thought is that you may want to try to vary your situps and work on your obliques as well.  

Don't over train!  Focus on working on your WHOLE body, not just doing sit-ups.
12/30/2007 4:01:51 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Have you dropped any weight?  Seriously, if you diet and loose 10-15lbs in the next 4 weeks those situps will become easy.  

Another thought is that you may want to try to vary your situps and work on your obliques as well.  

Don't over train!  Focus on working on your WHOLE body, not just doing sit-ups.


My two biggest focuses have been chest and abs. The reason for this is that the test consists of push-ups, sit-ups and running. Running I am not worried about. Push-ups I was first only able to do 15 but now can do 32. Still low, but I am progressing on them slowly.

I have been maintaining my current weight. I am around 227 and if I diet hard I can get to about 224 or so. Anything below that I can't seem to maintain.

Tonight I increased the weight to 22.5lbs on my chest as I do sit-ups. I have been working on them 3x a week but will now be doing 4x a week in order to try to make faster progress.
12/30/2007 4:04:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Dude the weight training has nothing to do with endurance... Don't eat anything big before hand.... drink a protien shake made with just water... and start cranking those bad boys out as much as u can until U think your going to die.... do this as often as possible...

Morning noon night...

Your number of reps will go up and You'll be able to do them faster...
12/30/2007 4:06:14 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Dude the weight training has nothing to do with endurance... Don't eat anything big before hand.... drink a protien shake made with just water... and start cranking those bad boys out as much as u can until U think your going to die.... do this as often as possible...

Morning noon night...

Your number of reps will go up and You'll be able to do them faster...


My understanding was that the weights will build muscle, which will in turn make the starting sit-ups easier to rip out. Endurance comes from doing them more and more. I believe that on some level what I'm doing is working. The 28 I did today were ripped out much easier than the previous 27. The biggest problem here appears to be time.
12/30/2007 4:15:41 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Have you dropped any weight?  Seriously, if you diet and loose 10-15lbs in the next 4 weeks those situps will become easy.  

Another thought is that you may want to try to vary your situps and work on your obliques as well.  

Don't over train!  Focus on working on your WHOLE body, not just doing sit-ups.


My two biggest focuses have been chest and abs. The reason for this is that the test consists of push-ups, sit-ups and running. Running I am not worried about. Push-ups I was first only able to do 15 but now can do 32. Still low, but I am progressing on them slowly.

I have been maintaining my current weight. I am around 227 and if I diet hard I can get to about 224 or so. Anything below that I can't seem to maintain.

Tonight I increased the weight to 22.5lbs on my chest as I do sit-ups. I have been working on them 3x a week but will now be doing 4x a week in order to try to make faster progress.
As I said, WHOLE body workouts, this means squats, deadlifts, back rows, pull ups.


Don't just do sit ups, do leg raises, crunches and get those obliques nice and toasted.  IMHO (I am not a fitness trainer by any stretch) but I don't see how you would benifit doing situps 4X a week.  Like any muscle, you need to give it plenty of recovery.


BTW What is your body fat %?  Seriously, work on your weight as well.  Think positively and tell  yourself that you can maintain below 224.  I am not talking about a crash diet and starving yourself but change the way you eat.  Cut down on on the processed crap and simple carbs.

It all comes back to a comprehensive fitness regiment.
12/30/2007 4:19:06 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Have you dropped any weight?  Seriously, if you diet and loose 10-15lbs in the next 4 weeks those situps will become easy.  

Another thought is that you may want to try to vary your situps and work on your obliques as well.  

Don't over train!  Focus on working on your WHOLE body, not just doing sit-ups.


My two biggest focuses have been chest and abs. The reason for this is that the test consists of push-ups, sit-ups and running. Running I am not worried about. Push-ups I was first only able to do 15 but now can do 32. Still low, but I am progressing on them slowly.

I have been maintaining my current weight. I am around 227 and if I diet hard I can get to about 224 or so. Anything below that I can't seem to maintain.

Tonight I increased the weight to 22.5lbs on my chest as I do sit-ups. I have been working on them 3x a week but will now be doing 4x a week in order to try to make faster progress.
As I said, WHOLE body workouts, this means squats, deadlifts, back rows, pull ups.


Don't just do sit ups, do leg raises, crunches and get those obliques nice and toasted.  IMHO (I am not a fitness trainer by any stretch) but I don't see how you would benifit doing situps 4X a week.  Like any muscle, you need to give it plenty of recovery.


BTW What is your body fat %?  Seriously, work on your weight as well.  Think positively and tell  yourself that you can maintain below 224.  I am not talking about a crash diet and starving yourself but change the way you eat.  Cut down on on the processed crap and simple carbs.

It all comes back to a comprehensive fitness regiment.


I don't know my exact body fat %. I know I am a hell of a lot better than I used to be. In March '06 I was 267. Today I'm 227ish. I have been to a trainer and he is what got me started in the last 3 months with workouts. According to the trainer, abdominal muscles are large enough that they can usually be worked out every other day without over-training.

The main problem now is that I am in an area where there is crap for weights and other fitness equipment. I will start crunches and the leg lifts and what not ASAP. Thanks
12/30/2007 4:27:22 PM EDT
[#7]

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  • I don't know my exact body fat %. I know I am a hell of a lot better than I used to be. In March '06 I was 267. Today I'm 227ish. I have been to a trainer and he is what got me started in the last 3 months with workouts. According to the trainer, abdominal muscles are large enough that they can usually be worked out every other day without over-training.

    The main problem now is that I am in an area where there is crap for weights and other fitness equipment. I will start crunches and the leg lifts and what not ASAP. Thanks
    I stand corrected!

    Keep in mind, the more muscle you develop, the easier it will become to burn fat.  Consider getting some dumbbells and use them to help with some squats and lunges.

    Check out this site and take a look at some of the workouts you can do (particularly for ab work)
    www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exercises.htm

    Also, congrats on the success that you have had so far!
    12/30/2007 4:46:32 PM EDT
    [#8]
    Sounds to me like a muscle imbalance.  You work your abs, but do you ever work the lower back muscles?  

    Your body won't let itself get too far out of balance.  I suggest you look into this.
    12/30/2007 4:49:18 PM EDT
    [#9]

    Quoted:
    Sounds to me like a muscle imbalance.  You work your abs, but do you ever work the lower back muscles?  

    Your body won't let itself get too far out of balance.  I suggest you look into this.
    It has to be.  He is stuck in a plateau  .
    12/30/2007 5:09:01 PM EDT
    [#10]

    Quoted:

    Quoted:



  • I don't know my exact body fat %. I know I am a hell of a lot better than I used to be. In March '06 I was 267. Today I'm 227ish. I have been to a trainer and he is what got me started in the last 3 months with workouts. According to the trainer, abdominal muscles are large enough that they can usually be worked out every other day without over-training.

    The main problem now is that I am in an area where there is crap for weights and other fitness equipment. I will start crunches and the leg lifts and what not ASAP. Thanks
    I stand corrected!

    Keep in mind, the more muscle you develop, the easier it will become to burn fat.  Consider getting some dumbbells and use them to help with some squats and lunges.

    Check out this site and take a look at some of the workouts you can do (particularly for ab work)
    www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exercises.htm

    Also, congrats on the success that you have had so far!


    Thanks!

    Out of the lower back exercises that I see there, the only one I have the equipment for is the hyperextension on the swiss ball. I have a swiss ball tucked away somewhere and some weights that I could use. I never knew the back was so important to helping sit-ups.
    12/30/2007 5:17:27 PM EDT
    [#11]
    You are going to workout on a swiss ball?  Make sure you wear  your leg warmers.  

    If you want to work your lower back, try something like stiff leg deadlifts, or good mornings.


    Edit for punctuation.
    12/30/2007 5:19:08 PM EDT
    [#12]

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    If you want to work your lower back, try something like stiff leg deadlifts, or good mornings.
    Yep, and with the good mornings all you need is a barbell (which you should be able to find CHEAP at Play it again sports.
    12/30/2007 5:24:06 PM EDT
    [#13]

    Quoted:
    You are going to workout on a swiss ball?  Make sure you wear  your leg warmers.  

    If you want to work your lower back, try something like stiff leg deadlifts, or good mornings.


    Edit for punctuation.


    Exercising in a slightly-gay manner is better than not exercising at all
    12/30/2007 5:29:52 PM EDT
    [#14]

    Quoted:

    Quoted:

    If you want to work your lower back, try something like stiff leg deadlifts, or good mornings.
    Yep, and with the good mornings all you need is a barbell (which you should be able to find CHEAP at Play it again sports.



    You can use just about anything that is heavy.  A sack of feed works good too.

    This is my farm boy face.  
    12/31/2007 8:48:38 PM EDT
    [#15]
    I did some Good Mornings, Oblique work, and back work today. Hopefully it will start yielding results soon!
    1/1/2008 6:32:00 AM EDT
    [#16]
    I have another suggestion. Try doing speed sets of situps. Sets of 10-20, whatever you feel works best. Concenetrate on doing them as fast as possible, and use short rest periods.
    1/1/2008 10:07:17 AM EDT
    [#17]
    Also keep in mind that Sit-ups have been proven to be very bad for the back...In the Military we still use them for Physical Fitness Test's but I do a tremendous amount of other abdominal exercises to prepare...

    Just a word of caution about sit-ups and the low back...from experience


    Here is link, if you look down to the pdf article Maximizing the Sit-up Event , it has great alternative to situps...I avoid them like the plague except for the PT Test


    Maximizing the Sit-up Event



    ETA:

    Here is small article about the spine and sit-ups, most physical therapists I have spoken with along with my Chiropractor share the same view on the situp

    Spine
    1/1/2008 2:56:01 PM EDT
    [#18]

    Quoted:
    Also keep in mind that Sit-ups have been proven to be very bad for the back...In the Military we still use them for Physical Fitness Test's but I do a tremendous amount of other abdominal exercises to prepare...

    Just a word of caution about sit-ups and the low back...from experience


    Here is link, if you look down to the pdf article Maximizing the Sit-up Event , it has great alternative to situps...I avoid them like the plague except for the PT Test


    Maximizing the Sit-up Event



    ETA:

    Here is small article about the spine and sit-ups, most physical therapists I have spoken with along with my Chiropractor share the same view on the situp

    Spine


    Thanks for the link. I downloaded the Push-Up and Sit-Up guides. I will try to start the sit-up program tomorrow. The one exercise where you raise and hold your legs up while reaching past your thighs looks like it'll fry my abs in no time
    1/1/2008 3:02:42 PM EDT
    [#19]

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    The one exercise where you raise and hold your legs up while reaching past your thighs looks like it'll fry my abs in no time


    yes indeed it is a good one..
    1/2/2008 7:59:25 AM EDT
    [#20]

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    Quoted:
    The one exercise where you raise and hold your legs up while reaching past your thighs looks like it'll fry my abs in no time


    yes indeed it is a good one..


    Alright, I have been working on the drills in that file, but when I do the box and reach exercise (as described above) my neck muscles on the sides begin to tense up really badly after about 20 reps. I am trying my best to keep them relax, but they keep tightening and it becomes goddamn annoying/painful before I can finish the reps. Is this just my neck trying to do its best to help on the ab part?
    1/7/2008 11:01:16 AM EDT
    [#21]
    I just finished up my third day of doing these ab exercises and I have 2 questions:

    1. These exercises seem to mostly be building muscle higher up on my abs, closer to the bottom of my rib cage, is this normal and what I should be aiming for?

    2. When I'm doing the crunches I am feeling a really nice sharp pain in my abs as the reps go on and on. It almost feels like a cramp. I'm assuming this just means I'm frying my abs real good on the exercises, but I just want to make sure here.
    1/15/2008 12:52:20 PM EDT
    [#22]
    I think if you are doing the crunches correctly with a slow and even movement you should feel them throughout the range of motion and in the upper and lower abdominal area...
    1/16/2008 3:30:29 AM EDT
    [#23]
    Any updates?
    1/29/2008 8:20:34 PM EDT
    [#24]

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    Any updates?


    I'm now at 31 in 1:00. Up 3 from when the post first came out. I'm making progress, albeit extremely slow
    1/29/2008 10:40:41 PM EDT
    [#25]
    If you're doing three sets to failure every day, you're probably overtraining.  If it were me, I'd take 4 - 5 days off to recover and then just train for the situp test twice/week.  You made big progress early and now you've stalled because your body has adapted to your training - time to change the routine IMO.
    1/29/2008 11:18:17 PM EDT
    [#26]
    Heres my two cents, take it for what it is worth.

    The most situps I ever did was 104 in 2 minutes; that was ten years ago. Last PT test I took was two weeks ago. I did 67.

    I do situps until I can't do anymore and then I do a few more by bouncing off my back. One of the other posts was right. You can over train. Do SU with no wieght until muscle failure three times a week. Chnage up the exersices that you are doing. Throw in some flutter kicks, lunges, crunches, burpees, leg raises, squats, you get the idea.

    If you wanna max Situps do situps. Your abs and calves are the only ones you can work everyday but situps are really testing your hip flexors, not your abs.

    Sounds to me like you really need to drop some weight tho. Not sure how tall you are but 224 is a big boy. Start off your workout with a 25 minute walk. Increase it by 5 mins every other day until you are at 45 mins. Then add in 5 mins of jogging on the same rotation. You need to do some cardio.

    If you drink beer STOP. Don't drink Sodas but maybe once a day tops, they are horrible for you. Don't eat fast food, be conscious of your diet and do cardio. You will be amazed at the results.

    What is the PT test for anyways?

    ETA: Just read the post you made about how much you did drop. GREAT JOB!! You are doing something right. Keep it up.